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Spatial Mind said: 

Turncoat said: 

 Of course you'll argue that. Denied. 

I'd figure you'd figure I'd argue that the Right is the sole censor, but come on dude we both grew up watching how they utilized religion to control what was on our airwaves and what was and wasn't acceptable in public spaces. 

A lot of right wing protest isn't just that they feel silenced, it's that they feel the 'deviants' have too much of a voice (ex: Clown World). In their hands it'd be as it was just a few decades ago. 

Maybe you're upset that Cuties got cancelled.

Wtf? 

Let's be realistic. 99.9% of what's on the airwaves is secular content. 

Are you meaning now, or how it was in the 80s to 00s range? 

Turncoat said: 

Spatial Mind said: 

Turncoat said: 

 Of course you'll argue that. Denied. 

I'd figure you'd figure I'd argue that the Right is the sole censor, but come on dude we both grew up watching how they utilized religion to control what was on our airwaves and what was and wasn't acceptable in public spaces. 

A lot of right wing protest isn't just that they feel silenced, it's that they feel the 'deviants' have too much of a voice (ex: Clown World). In their hands it'd be as it was just a few decades ago. 

Maybe you're upset that Cuties got cancelled.

Wtf? 

Let's be realistic. 99.9% of what's on the airwaves is secular content. 

Are you meaning now, or how it was in the 80s to 00s range? 

 The 80's. I was there on the scene. You, were not.

Even in the 80's. Back then there were less restrictions when it came to nudity in movies. Today we don't see any tits in movies. It's super rare. 

You have a long stick up your ass to think western society is under some iron grip by the Christian church, and whine about it taking over the airwaves. 

There's more content about busting caps and drilling hoes on air than preaching the Lord's word.

Popular movies, music, video games, news. What do we got. Sex, violence, lust, mental disorder, scorfulness. 

What more do you want ?

Spatial Mind said: 

 

Let's be realistic. 99.9% of what's on the airwaves is secular content. 

Are you meaning now, or how it was in the 80s to 00s range? 

 The 80's. I was there on the scene. You, were not.

I've looked over their media and a lot of their sentiment carried over into the early 90s. These were the Reagan years, he took up 81 to 89 so the 80s were basically his. 

As a response against the wackiness of the 70s (alongside Vietnam burnout/backlash) and corporate success getting their hooks in Cocaine we saw a strong shift in media towards moneymaking schemes like GI Joe and Transformers alongside other whitewashed sources of Media that catered to the Religious Right's censor. As a pinnacle representation of 80s sitcom-ing we have Full House, a true abomination that shows what that era had done to media. It was a marketing monster and as such they were stuck catering to the Religious Soccer Mom squeaky clean model from being too afraid to take risks, and we only saw a few shows try to break out of that while otherwise towing within the lines like Cheers, a softened presentation of it's spiritual predecessor Taxi and much more inhibited than it's spinoff Fraiser. 

This continued unhindered for quite a while with a few cult-film protests (like John Waters) until The Simpsons tried to be counter-culture only to discover they've stirred a sleeping giant. It was through them that the 90s found it's market for more rebellious, less-than Christian media that still had to cater to the censors, outright mocking and subverting the expectations while having the censor represented by people like Flanders and Frank Grimes. Elsewhere, from the 90s to the 00s, we had MTV Oddities and the like hand off to Adult Swim who took it to new heights. The 90s served as the staging ground for the law vs rebel angle for Right vs Left respectively, then the 00s with Bush II pushed that to new heights, having pushed just hard enough for the Left to push back with more force. 

Media caters to who they assume the market is, which is why the modern day expression of it is shown through 'Cancel Culture'. Who the censor is and who the rebels are for a little while changed hands, much like how we saw The Simpsons change from counter-culture to status quo. Your sense of culture shock is merely over feeling like you're on the other side of the fence now, the privilege of having once been a part of the target audience fears corporate catered to, while now you get to see 'Clown World' telling you what to do. 

Even in the 80's. Back then there were less restrictions when it came to nudity in movies. Today we don't see any tits in movies. It's super rare. 

I strongly beg to differ, 80s was still riding the 70s intrigue in silhouette and they were a lot less raunchy about it when you compare it to now, and the 70s was VERY secure in their nudity compared to the business suit repression that followed it. 

Before nudity was like silk blankets, now it's like meat. The Patriarchy made this look super gross in the 90s with programs like The Man Show, but thankfully we have a more discerning audience now even if there is still a crowd that such media would cater to. I'd say we're closer to a sexually repressed 70s media model at the moment with the current state of gradual drug legality and the sheer availability, and that you can see plenty of tiddy in movies without having to try that hard based on one's preferred genre and it's rating. Oftentimes they're just there as an aspect of identity now rather than as something to lust over. 

You have a long stick up your ass to think western society is under some iron grip by the Christian church, and whine about it taking over the airwaves. 

You seem confused over the timeline, I'm saying that the media was whitewashed towards the religious right before while now catering more towards 'Equalist' ideals, having who was once the big honcho suddenly the outlier when it comes to media trends. 

The internet was the final nail in the coffin there, but based on regressionist sentiments of the current 'rebels' they'd enjoy having the censor back in their hands rather than abolishing it entirely to quote unquote "Return things to normal". 

Okay but all of those shows are still secular.

Patriarchy.... In the west doesn't exist okay. If it did western Women wouldn't be so privileged.

Seriously. There is no scheme to keep women in check here, in other parts of the world there is, so if you want to complain about men abusing their power and oppressing women and fruity boys, go fight against Islam.

Spatial Mind said: 

Okay but all of those shows are still secular.

It was Christian for a good long while until enough artists protested it being an accepted constant, you'd have to be blind to miss it. The backlash against that being the expectation did a surprising amount of damage to that former status quo, but most of that didn't truly kick in until around the 00s. 

You might want to take a Pop Culture class or something, if not watch some videos on it, as for reasons likely linked to your former privilege you're missing a lot of what went on behind the curtain. From having grown up when the media began on that side only to watch it slowly evolve towards my own sensibilities has me looking at this from the opposite angle, seeing improvements come as people conform less to the old standard. I don't see how it could be missed when the writers sneak their struggles and complaints into the stories often enough to leave breadcrumbs of a meta-commentary, but even beyond that the struggle of the censor is a well documented phenomenon. 

Patriarchy.... In the west doesn't exist okay. If it did western Women wouldn't be so privileged.

Okay this confirms the blindness further... 

What you are seeing as women being 'spoiled' or whatever is women responding against the former status quo similar to when gays were getting out of the closet in politics, similar to the leftist push we saw brewing during and following Bush II. Men are considerably more spoiled and act like babies when even a little equality is thrown into the mix. Seriously, depending on where you live there's still far too much misogyny that is accepted as 'normal' over still being in a state of transition between the old ways and the new. 

Women have to push or nothing will happen, as we've seen through an embarrassing long amount of history thus far. We even see places like Texas completely regressing over women's rights as time goes on, this is literally a battle that you have the privilege of not having to care as much about as the real victims. 

Seriously. There is no scheme to keep women in check here

This illustrates the issue fairly well actually: 

in other parts of the world there is, so if you want to complain about men abusing their power and oppressing women and fruity boys, go fight against Islam.

What they do isn't really my business if I don't plan on living there, and thanks to Globalization it makes more sense to work on how First World countries look at things over how they'll be aiming to brainwash the rest of the world to follow those trends as models of success anyway. 

It's also a bit absurd to suggest that we do nothing about our own country just because worse expressions exist elsewhere, and equally absurd to assume there's no issues over not being the worst expression of it. 

You really seem to believe Christianity ran the mainstream media in the 80's. That's false.

You're in a different world.

Spatial Mind said: 

You really seem to believe Christianity ran the mainstream media in the 80's. That's false.

You're in a different world.

It's collectively understood to have happened this way as a matter of recorded history. 

Turncoat said: 

Spatial Mind said: 

You really seem to believe Christianity ran the mainstream media in the 80's. That's false.

You're in a different world.

It's collectively understood to have happened this way as a matter of recorded history. 

 That's fake though.

Spatial Mind said: 

Turncoat said: 

Spatial Mind said: 

You really seem to believe Christianity ran the mainstream media in the 80's. That's false.

You're in a different world.

It's collectively understood to have happened this way as a matter of recorded history. 

 That's fake though.

You seem to think a lot of things are fake. 

Turncoat said: 

Spatial Mind said: 

Turncoat said: 

Spatial Mind said: 

You really seem to believe Christianity ran the mainstream media in the 80's. That's false.

You're in a different world.

It's collectively understood to have happened this way as a matter of recorded history. 

 That's fake though.

You seem to think a lot of things are fake. 

 Yes.

But seriously. I was all about TV and radio. When the vcr went mainstream I was there. I know the biggest artists on the 80's as I was there as it all unfolded. We used to use our tapes to record radio.

RUN DMC, Madonna, NWA, Maestro fresh west, David Bowie, Rolling Stones, Michael Jackson and a whole heap of others. I seriously cannot tell you of a Christian group hitting it big, neither can you really.

Horror movies of the 80's are fucked up too. 

Cartoons were indeed a marketing ploy to sell toys. G.I. Joe and Transformers as you mentioned, are a trademark of Hasbro then and now. 

Somethings haven't changed. 

Iconic 80's shows were A-Team, Knight Rider, and a pile of others. 

There was no artist revolution against Christianity in the 80's to make what they wanted, Gangsta Rap about killing niggaz was a thing back then too. 

I'd argue freedom of speech was more well off in the US before 2015.