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Turncoat said: 

Xena said: 

But you're losing focus "what about" ing Tryp. I've seen a lot of people succeed with those programs, too.

That 63% stat is eye opening, as well.

Are you giving me a rough average of this stat or is yours from something else, as I tried looking up 63% in particular and it returned nothing: 

In the Big Book, AA states its approximate success rate is 50%, plus 25%. This means that 50% of members stay sober, 25% of members relapse but come back, and 25% fail to use AA effectively and do not remain sober.

First off, this is AA's own numbers (from the books they make money off of) and secondly, these numbers don't seem exact. 

Check your ADD, I was talking about victims of narc parents. 

 Pfft. Check yours. I wrote a post about a specific study where 63% of the addicted participants turned out to be sociopaths.

75% success is not bad, actually. 

You poor dear. Murrican 12 step programs cost money, too?

They're free up here. Actually, when I'm poor I can't get away from them. Every effing soup kitchen and wellness centre where I go to get other free stuff has sign up sheets for AA pasted all over the important stuff. As if they think everybody who's poor got that way bc they're drunks  smh

And I was saying that some adult survivor of a narc parent's shitty experience with AA is not at all likely to be Tryp's.

Why would you even think that? Those ppl are waaaaay more fucked up than Tryp.

That's like comparing my experience with Asian transgirls to Jimmy's drug infested delusions about that Korean chick he pays to tryta impress you people lol

There just is no comparison, so it's not even worth mentioning  ;)

Xena said: 

I had a friend who went to Alateen meetings and found them immensely helpful.

These are the AA slogans they used there.

Except there were 12...

wtf? Those weren't the 12 steps? My friend always thought they were...

The 11th step is largely redundant next to the other steps, and the 12th step is to just spread the gospel, like a good little cult should. 

Anyhoo...

The discussion at my friend's alateen meeting opened the flood gates for my inner philosopher :D

It wouldn't hurt you to get out and meditate on some of these with the smells of spring all around.

It's almost lilac season. The smell of lilacs and roses make any kind of contemplation so much nicer  :)

Asking someone to smell lilacs instead of drink is like asking someone to drink water instead of soda; While the former is healthier and enjoyable it pales in comparison when you've adjusted to something stronger. They effectively become blinded to life's natural beauty through burning themselves out, which is what can make some addicts quit once they notice the substance is no longer 'enhancing' their experiences (and is subsequently how they risk relapse). In unfortunate cases alcohol in spite of being a downer substance can actually trigger adrenaline reactions in ways that give them the idea that life can't be enjoyed the same without it similarly to a speed junkie. 

What makes it harder for addicts to enjoy this is over how they've trained their pleasure pathways, but this is a way to keep someone on the straight and narrow once they've escaped. 

Xena said: 

Turncoat said: 

Xena said: 

But you're losing focus "what about" ing Tryp. I've seen a lot of people succeed with those programs, too.

That 63% stat is eye opening, as well.

Are you giving me a rough average of this stat or is yours from something else, as I tried looking up 63% in particular and it returned nothing: 

In the Big Book, AA states its approximate success rate is 50%, plus 25%. This means that 50% of members stay sober, 25% of members relapse but come back, and 25% fail to use AA effectively and do not remain sober.

First off, this is AA's own numbers (from the books they make money off of) and secondly, these numbers don't seem exact. 

Check your ADD, I was talking about victims of narc parents. 

 Pfft. Check yours. I wrote a post about a specific study where 63% of the addicted participants turned out to be sociopaths.

75% success is not bad, actually. 

It's not 75% success, it's 75% attendance, and again it's their own stats.

Would you trust Scientology telling you the same numbers, because they have just as much efficacy to. 

You poor dear. Murrican 12 step programs cost money, too?

No, I just explained that it's donations and how they psychologically prime people to be more likely to throw it into the program. 

They're free up here. Actually, when I'm poor I can't get away from them. Every effing soup kitchen and wellness centre where I go to get other free stuff has sign up sheets for AA pasted all over the important stuff. As if they think everybody who's poor got that way bc they're drunks  smh

Do you not see why I made an ADD joke? 

ADD talking style translates amazingly IRL, but online it can lose the point. 

Xena said: 

And I was saying that some adult survivor of a narc parent's shitty experience with AA is not at all likely to be Tryp's.

Why would you even think that? Those ppl are waaaaay more fucked up than Tryp.

Tryp had a funky situation with his family life, if he feels like he has to forgive them that could get weird couldn't it? He has gone on a lot about them when he's been in the deeper states of intoxication (usually as a reaction to someone antagonistically poking him in the alcoholism). 

To be honest I foresee him phoning in the apologies towards people like Blanc instead, but if he felt like they needed to be addressed it could open up some problem areas. 

Also lets not pat Tryp on the back for being more functional than people even worse off, relativity's an easy road to falling back into substances and he's already prone to splitting himself from the other members of his rehabilitation programs as a way to resist identifying with them and, further, identifying with how bad the problem really is. 

There is always someone who's worse off, it means nothing. 

Nah.

My mother was about as batshit as they get, and quite destructive.

Forgiveness doesn't have to mean hugging it out and all that other fluffy rainbow pony bullshit.

It just means accepting that what happened is done and gone, without condoning their crap, or blaming yourself. You take that big ball of rage that collects in your guts when you think about the offensive person and push it out your red chakra like a spiritual turd bc they don't have power over you anymore. And remember that if you let them make you angry enough that you start harming yourself with alcohol, or junk food or whichever cope you most often reach for when you think of that person, then you're giving your power away to them again, when they're not even in your physical space anymore.

This place is a great concrete example of how to do that. 

A dysfunctional family with an off switch lol

Xena said: 

Nah.

My mother was about as batshit as they get, and quite destructive.

Forgiveness doesn't have to mean hugging it out and all that other fluffy rainbow pony bullshit.

It just means accepting that what happened is done and gone, without condoning their crap, or blaming yourself.

See that's fine, that's arguably the 'Move On' model. You're narrating more so the 'Forget' portion. 

When you talk to many who practice this rhetoric, they are so prone to self-directing that it translates into trying to make amends to people who don't rightly deserve it, and through how they respond it can do more harm. There's many that say you can't 'Forget' if you don't otherwise 'Forgive' them, saying that you need to see them as human too and capable of fallibility just like your drinking. 

You take that big ball of rage that collects in your guts when you think about the offensive person and push it out your red chakra like a spiritual turd bc they don't have power over you anymore.

This is catharsis imaginings, and I have a mixed opinion on it. 

On one hand, it relieves built up tensions without having to act out IRL, but on the other hand it mentally conditions you towards it becoming easier to think that way, which in turn can then make it easier to act out IRL. You're resisting being that person for a time but you're also quote unquote "Feeding the Tiger", which they usually fix by prescribing a narrative for "a glowing ball of light" or "doors" or something similar. 

And remember that if you let them make you angry enough that you start harming yourself with alcohol, or junk food or whichever cope you most often reach for when you think of that person, then you're giving your power away to them again, when they're not even in your physical space anymore.

AA is all about giving away power, that's the problem. 

Fight Club actually demonstrates a lot of my problems with it. They take the rhetoric of these sorts of programs and convert it into a cult, just like real life's done multiple times, and effectively demonstrate how "Surrender" isn't good, having it become the main character's drug until he loses himself to his own existential cult rhetoric. 







It even takes a lot of Eastern philosophy and turns it into violence. 

lol ikr.

Must suck to be male. 

You see, I can let my violent urges out when some piece of shit desperately deserves it, and fear zero consequences (besides the other person kicking my ass lol) bc I'm old and not very big. I can pull the victim card if needs be.

But if this old body were 6'4" and covered in hair, ppl would prolly run screaming from me when I'm pissed off about smthg. Yeah, I might have got myself thrown in prison a long time ago. Then again, ppl might have talked to me with more respect all my life, so I could come up polite and pleasant, who knows?

But w/e the case may be, we have to teach men from the time they're toddlers to not grab boobies or rape women, or go around beating on ppl. Too many men end up drunken assholes bc some other asshole was excessively mean while tryinta teach them how to keep their hands to themselves and their peckers in their pants.

I'd be ok with little Fight Clubs all over, alongside the 12 step programs. I mean, not every guy has it in them to work out their testosterone shit playing sports. Not every guy can be a track star. Fight Clubs would be very helpful for the chubby, black pilled non athletes among us  :D  :D

Xena said: 

But w/e the case may be, we have to teach men from the time they're toddlers to not grab boobies or rape women, or go around beating on ppl. Too many men end up drunken assholes bc some other asshole was excessively mean while tryinta teach them how to keep their hands to themselves and their peckers in their pants.

They've had the privilege for so long that they seriously need the assistance. 

Here's hoping the next generation's less Patriarchal. 

I'd be ok with little Fight Clubs all over, alongside the 12 step programs. I mean, not every guy has it in them to work out their testosterone shit playing sports. Not every guy can be a track star. Fight Clubs would be very helpful for the chubby, black pilled non athletes among us  :D  :D

You'd also be accepting every Project Mayhem that follows it. 

Edit: Apparently it's based off the Cacophony Society, according to an interview with the author (around 3 minutes in): 

Hehe. I wouldn't go that far.

I'm not an Anarchist at heart. Just a Hillary, Uncle Joe and Daddy Justin supporting, not too far left of center, moderate liberal. I'm not a fan of blowing stuff up.