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God created man in his own likeness. We're ranked higher than the angels in this regard. Some angels retaliated over this which is why Satan wants us to be inferior etc.....

Spatial...I disagree with you....but not in the spirit of the thought nor the intent...perhaps more along the lines of the genesis of the present preference in understanding based on what history shows time and and again...the desire to know or believe to know the ultimate or pinnacle concept of the divine...whether or not it even exists...= unknown..

IF and perhaps not implausible ...but then calls into question..Where did the divine come from? It just keeps repeating backwards and forwards...Unknown...and fundamentally...in the brief time we have...irrelevant, Utterly. 

SO....Probability. God rolled the dice....

 

What we call Cluster B personality types.....A demon would be proud of. The kind of experiences people have when they have these specific cases are roughly the same. They get their ass kicked. For some Cluster B's they have a better grasp on this "genetic invasion" that pretty much shuts down the emotions that correct behaviors synonymous with productivity and respect for others. It's the way of degeneration, and if it were strong in all of us, we'd destroy ourselves.

Interesting point.....but appears it is confused with some projection of your own by the read of it. You and I have discussed this in past....by the way side...and again, I disagree with your interpretation as as it provides the 'excuse' and lacks accountability ...no sale here....

'Emotions' don't correct behaviors....CHOICE in action does....

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The correct word is image... God created man in His own image.

This verse can be read in a various number of ways... his own image being the very image we hold as the same as G-d's image... his own image being man has his own image, we are unlike anything else... or where I like to take this verse first is to ask what is meant by the word "image".

Man has reconstructed G-d into his (man's) image forever... but that is not G-d.  G-d is beyond words... it's a sense of life everlasting and a joy that comes from knowing... knowing what? Well... I can not put it into words, but if you have seen G-d speak, and listened to the message, well... then I don't need words for you to understand.

John 10:27 "My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:"

So, what is meant by image... physical or something more?

 

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I wrote that drunk, and really that word selection reflects it. But the spirit of it and my humor at it remains. Basically what I read was, "reality is extremely complex, but the human mind is feeble. We can't see everything. And there are contradictions in physics." (I assume you are talking about how quantum laws don't match the laws set forth by Einstein, and other such abstractions).

We came from jungles probably thinking the Sun was God, to flying airplanes casually. Have a little faith.

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God created man in his own likeness. We're ranked higher than the angels in this regard. Some angels retaliated over this which is why Satan wants us to be inferior etc.....

Spatial...I disagree with you....but not in the spirit of the thought nor the intent...perhaps more along the lines of the genesis of the present preference in understanding based on what history shows time and and again...the desire to know or believe to know the ultimate or pinnacle concept of the divine...whether or not it even exists...= unknown..

What history exactly ?

More and more science is making discoveries and claims that aligns with various ancient spiritual outlets. This is not my reason for knowing any of this to be true though. I cannot prove anything, even though in the end when everything comes to light, some will still say how they had no idea, or no way of knowing, while for others it was more than obvious.

 

 

IF and perhaps not implausible ...but then calls into question..Where did the divine come from? It just keeps repeating backwards and forwards...Unknown...and fundamentally...in the brief time we have...irrelevant, Utterly. 

SO....Probability. God rolled the dice....

 

God has no end, nor beginning. It's been scientifically noted that time is an illusion. As we are, we're created, and our perspectives are in boundaries that make sense to the physical.

It's been written how God would see to it that everything that was made, was good.

We have the DNA, programed with instructions from the genome for every little piece to click together, to form what you call you. The functions of the systems is incredibly advanced, as a human we can take our technology which is vastly less advanced than we are, and we'll never get that technology from shaking it around in a box even if it was done, zillions times zillions times zillions of times.

Charles Darwin was a theist. But it's the atheist that adopts the theory of evolution the most, and they disregard any kind of consciousness in the evolution of us. The scientific atheist doesn't have the answers as of yet, but they have a conclusion and as they say they are working on it. To them an unconscious force had us form eyes, which is incredible and staggeringly convenient because light exists. They will say, it was the mitochondria or come up with some other shit as if it like everything else is an accident and has no purpose. Something from nothing violates the laws of the known universe, except in the beginning.  They call this an accident, we have no reason, yet, we can see the design of our hands have a purpose, as everything on us has a purpose. 

By no means are we random in design alone, the DNA itself is made up of things far more minuscule than itself and those things make up everything.

Science suggests energy cannot be created or destroyed. Yet here we are, made up of materials as old as the universe. And the energy is recycling and converting itself as all materials do from scratch. I personally think in the Big bang, the materials that make up all physical objects was put here, from what can be described as an eternal universe. Technically the materials in the universe would be older than the universe, but at the same time, time is an illusion so not really. It's the kind of answers we see in quantum physicals, and all of this is quantum physicals by default.

 

What we call Cluster B personality types.....A demon would be proud of. The kind of experiences people have when they have these specific cases are roughly the same. They get their ass kicked. For some Cluster B's they have a better grasp on this "genetic invasion" that pretty much shuts down the emotions that correct behaviors synonymous with productivity and respect for others. It's the way of degeneration, and if it were strong in all of us, we'd destroy ourselves.

Interesting point.....but appears it is confused with some projection of your own by the read of it. You and I have discussed this in past....by the way side...and again, I disagree with your interpretation as as it provides the 'excuse' and lacks accountability ...no sale here....

Let's see. Cluster B relationships are very unstable ones. They have an extremely high failure rate due to irrational behaviors. Hot and cold is the way of them. Online there are millions of people writing about their experiences. Some say you need to be one tough door mat while the cluster B eats your soul, and others who write about this will say run away as fast as you can. A lot of people don't understand it, and when these mindsets turn against the ones near them, those people take massive damage and they pretty much go mad or seek mental assistance.

If I were projecting, I'd tell you about the time I was invited to her Birthday dinner. Just the two of us. Then after I paid, she ditched me and ignored me for 11 months, even though she lived right next door. She would have even put me in Jail while she suggested me trying to talk to her was harassment. I still like her a great deal which is fucked up, and she still calls, I just say away. I know she's fucked up and she suffers. And she is one of millions of cases, where she has a condition where she's literally programmed to sabotage herself, and damage anyone who's close to her.

Out of cluster B personality types, we see high suicide rates, high crime rates, high promiscuity, damaged spouses and offspring. Extremely random and very irrational and highly Intense mood swings. You can recreate every action in a movie, and people will say the character is evil.

As mentioned some cluster B's have a better head on their shoulders and have more control over the so called smoke and mirrors that may or may not inspire the making of strife. As these conditions are, they are absolutely fixated on destruction. You to say this is a projection of mine, I don't think you know anything about the typical behaviors of a Cluster B.

 

 

'Emotions' don't correct behaviors....CHOICE in action does....

 

The emotions synonymous with productivity and respect for others. Is "Guilt" and "Shame".

For example. If I ran around the forum saying. "Oh the girls are running to Ed, so I'll call them out and be mean to them until they conform to my will !".... I'd feel ashamed. At the same time I can see that kind of behavior to be petty, and it really would do more damage than good if I were actually like that.

In some cases, namely the sociopath/psychopath, as we know, these emotions simply aren't there. Now a sociopath may not want to go around screwing with people, but in society they'll be frowned on over small things. Like moving forward in heavy traffic so someone on the other side of the road cannot turn and not feel anyway about it, though they would curse if someone did the same thing to them.

The conscience is in place, and we can override it with decisions, as we do. But on the most part we don't because there are emotions that will appear and fuck with us.

Sure everything comes down to choice. But in a world where everything is borrowed, all things have a price. Some lack the capacity for correctional emotions. The kind of emotions from others in the same species that works for your well being. This is functionality and forwardness. The best of what we do is done with emotion.

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Sheep...

smh

Smthg about that euphemism always irked me. It's so condescending :P I think that's why I rejected Xtianity so early on.

When I entertain the notion of a Divine Presence in the universe, it's usually when I'm awed by smthg beautiful and intricate, which also makes it fragile. The sort of beauty that demands that I leave it alone if I want to continue to enjoy it. If I were going to offer my soul to an omnipotent being, I would at least hope that the being would appreciate me as much as I appreciate the lovely microcosm in my back yard.

 

 

 

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The correct word is image... God created man in His own image.

This verse can be read in a various number of ways... his own image being the very image we hold as the same as G-d's image... his own image being man has his own image, we are unlike anything else... or where I like to take this verse first is to ask what is meant by the word "image".

Man has reconstructed G-d into his (man's) image forever... but that is not G-d.  G-d is beyond words... it's a sense of life everlasting and a joy that comes from knowing... knowing what? Well... I can not put it into words, but if you have seen G-d speak, and listened to the message, well... then I don't need words for you to understand.

John 10:27 "My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:"

So, what is meant by image... physical or something more?

Okay...so we are arguing the semantics of the 'image' ....and will toss in yours of 'reconstructed'....God "created' / constructed or reconstructed? Man in his/her/its own image....

We are unlike anything else' ....not true....we are homo sapiens....the current version in a long long line of evolutionary forces if we are to accept the fossil record as accurate ( and that appears to be reasonable based on carbon dating, albeit I don't buy into some of the theories on the links...too much ego in physical anthropology )

 if you have seen G-d speak, and listened to the message

Mmhmm....oookay...so...You heard God speak..? Were you on drugs at the time..? 

Seen and heard a lot from many difference sources...read and pursued various lines of the esoteric....= Unknown. 

So, what is meant by image... physical or something more?

I think...it is not physical...rather awareness....and that awareness is not limited to homo sapiens...

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Virus stated: source post

The correct word is image... God created man in His own image.

This verse can be read in a various number of ways... his own image being the very image we hold as the same as G-d's image... his own image being man has his own image, we are unlike anything else... or where I like to take this verse first is to ask what is meant by the word "image".

Man has reconstructed G-d into his (man's) image forever... but that is not G-d.  G-d is beyond words... it's a sense of life everlasting and a joy that comes from knowing... knowing what? Well... I can not put it into words, but if you have seen G-d speak, and listened to the message, well... then I don't need words for you to understand.

John 10:27 "My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:"

So, what is meant by image... physical or something more?

 

Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.  

 

I couldn't tell you if the creator was physically here in a physical body while he was making this shit up, so he made us like he was at the time, Or maybe some Aliens are playing God on us, and they slipped up by saying we're humanoids and we made you like "Us, in Our image" <-- as written.

Or maybe God's preferred shape is human like. 

 

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"and let them rule over"

I hear that's a mistranslation. The original was (mis?) translated as "let them have dominion over..." but there is a good deal of debate about the intended meaning in the original text.

Some would contend that the word should have been "stewardship" not "dominion."

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Same difference.

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Hell no.

The former denotes respect, service and care. The latter implies a master/ slave relationship.

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