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What history exactly ?

Recorded history, oral traditions , cross cultural exploration....you will find it going as far back as you care to look...The God/s/esses / Spirits....you name it. 

More and more science is making discoveries and claims that aligns with various ancient spiritual outlets. This is not my reason for knowing any of this to be true though. I cannot prove anything, even though in the end when everything comes to light, some will still say how they had no idea, or no way of knowing, while for others it was more than obvious.

Possibly....maybe the odd person has foresight? Not improbable. 

God has no end, nor beginning. It's been scientifically noted that time is an illusion. As we are, we're created, and our perspectives are in boundaries that make sense to the physical.

Interesting POV, I would suggest something along the lines of experience of existence being bounded by the physical limitations of the meat, Time is an illusion? Tell that to the tax man and any utilities company....lol....it's a pretty persistent illusion and we all live by it by default rather than any other otherworldly preference..

It's been written how God would see to it that everything that was made, was good.

Don't like mosquitoes...but they are food for bats and dragonflies...so it is relative to the experience of the awareness in question. 

We have the DNA, programed with instructions from the genome for every little piece to click together, to form what you call you.

For the most part....but the DNA is also capable of errors in transcription due to other variables...so...you have mutations...and they survive as well even when not necessarily adaptive. 

The functions of the systems is incredibly advanced, as a human we can take our technology which is vastly less advanced than we are, and we'll never get that technology from shaking it around in a box even if it was done, zillions times zillions times zillions of times.

You are comparing apples to oranges...both are fruits...but that is where the similarity ends. 

Charles Darwin was a theist. But it's the atheist that adopts the theory of evolution the most, and they disregard any kind of consciousness in the evolution of us. The scientific atheist doesn't have the answers as of yet, but they have a conclusion and as they say they are working on it.

We have what exists to work with as the conclusion at present...anything else would be a silly suggestion and ludicrous. But they have the sense to admit it. 

To them an unconscious force had us form eyes, which is incredible and staggeringly convenient because light exists.

Is that so? Then how does that explain nocturnal animals that use sonar? And there exist simple celled organisms with light sensors....not "eyes' but similar function....and not all eyes preceive in the same manner nor spectrum either...God spent a hell of a lot of time on the design....or he rolled the dice with the potentials...unknown.

They will say, it was the mitochondria or come up with some other shit as if it like everything else is an accident and has no purpose.

Mitochondrial DNA is quite interesting....as far as 'some shit' goes....

Something from nothing violates the laws of the known universe, except in the beginning.  They call this an accident, we have no reason, yet, we can see the design of our hands have a purpose, as everything on us has a purpose. 

Damn those exceptions..lol....So, it's God...and maybe it is/was....maybe not in the manner that comforts you perhaps?

By no means are we random in design alone, the DNA itself is made up of things far more minuscule than itself and those things make up everything.

Energy....particle and wave at the same time...? This is never ending the debate...the equations supporting the theories as well..

I think the problem is the concept of Random Design....evolution is given to 'random' and not the comfy soft flow of change...pretty brutal as well. 

Science suggests energy cannot be created or destroyed. Yet here we are, made up of materials as old as the universe. And the energy is recycling and converting itself as all materials do from scratch. I personally think in the Big bang, the materials that make up all physical objects was put here, from what can be described as an eternal universe. Technically the materials in the universe would be older than the universe, but at the same time, time is an illusion so not really. It's the kind of answers we see in quantum physicals, and all of this is quantum physicals by default.

Quantum physics. Neither created nor destroyed but only is. The Buddhists are rather big on this line of thinking as well...Mind over matter....and seems each time that man goes searching....we keep finding....so which comes first? The thought or the manifestation?

Let's see. Cluster B relationships are very unstable ones. They have an extremely high failure rate due to irrational behaviors. Hot and cold is the way of them. Online there are millions of people writing about their experiences. Some say you need to be one tough door mat while the cluster B eats your soul, and others who write about this will say run away as fast as you can. A lot of people don't understand it, and when these mindsets turn against the ones near them, those people take massive damage and they pretty much go mad or seek mental assistance.

Or you kick the stupid fuck out of your life. Nobody needs to put up with that brainless bullshit. 

If I were projecting, I'd tell you about the time I was invited to her Birthday dinner. Just the two of us. Then after I paid, she ditched me and ignored me for 11 months, even though she lived right next door. She would have even put me in Jail while she suggested me trying to talk to her was harassment. I still like her a great deal which is fucked up, and she still calls, I just say away. I know she's fucked up and she suffers. And she is one of millions of cases,where she has a condition where she's literally programmed to sabotage herself, and damage anyone who's close to her.

Mmmhmm....and that's what you state. Wonder what she states...there seems to be quite the divide....that being said...experienced similar bullshit..so..lol..

Out of cluster B personality types, we see high suicide rates, high crime rates, high promiscuity, damaged spouses and offspring. Extremely random and very irrational and highly Intense mood swings. You can recreate every action in a movie, and people will say the character is evil.

Evil? No. Just a dumb ass on roids that requires a crowbar to the base of the skull....you know....the light goes on for a second or two...then dipshit returns....it's predictable garbage. It's not a matter of 'if' but 'when'

As mentioned some cluster B's have a better head on their shoulders and have more control over the so called smoke and mirrors that may or may not inspire the making of strife. As these conditions are, they are absolutely fixated on destruction. You to say this is a projection of mine, I don't think you know anything about the typical behaviors of a Cluster B.

Seen enough to not give a shit. If they want to self destruct....I will encourage it. 

The emotions synonymous with productivity and respect for others. Is "Guilt" and "Shame".

..LOL...yes...read a great deal about that from what I term a 'bleeder'....but doesn't seem able to apply it to himself....

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Part 2.

For example. If I ran around the forum saying. "Oh the girls are running to Ed, so I'll call them out and be mean to them until they conform to my will !".... I'd feel ashamed. At the same time I can see that kind of behavior to be petty, and it really would do more damage than good if I were actually like that.

It would be stupid...lol...you have some warped views on women, as I have read them... and then again, your experiences with women may very well enforce those views...so...

In some cases, namely the sociopath/psychopath, as we know, these emotions simply aren't there. Now a sociopath may not want to go around screwing with people, but in society they'll be frowned on over small things. Like moving forward in heavy traffic so someone on the other side of the road cannot turn and not feel anyway about it, though they would curse if someone did the same thing to them.

...lol...that's a lousy example...

The conscience is in place, and we can override it with decisions, as we do. But on the most part we don't because there are emotions that will appear and fuck with us.

LOL....excuses already...?  Nah...you make a choice, and Moonshine made an excellent point about emotions and the validity thereof...might want to look at that. 

Sure everything comes down to choice

Correct

But in a world where everything is borrowed, all things have a price.

What? Does not tie in to previous statement. Explain the logic. 

Some lack the capacity for correctional emotions.

Again, 'correctional' emotions? Horse shit....this is the same lame excuse clause. 

The kind of emotions from others in the same species that works for your well being.

That does not require nor presuppose emotions. That is a choice. 

This is functionality and forwardness. The best of what we do is done with emotion.

...lol...really? I think not. Empathy/ understanding is not about doing with emotion. It is about Choice. 

 

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Regardless of implications, we practice both dominion and rule over the other inhabitants across the globe.

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Spatial Mind stated: source post

Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.  

 

I couldn't tell you if the creator was physically here in a physical body while he was making this shit up, so he made us like he was at the time, Or maybe some Aliens are playing God on us, and they slipped up by saying we're humanoids and we made you like "Us, in Our image" <-- as written.

Or maybe God's preferred shape is human like. 

However....you could say...and most likely be accurate....that someone at some point in time...DID MAKE THIS SHIT UP....and lots of very gullible people grasping desperately for something...anything....ran with it....because it is easier to hand off accountability and responsibility for shit that happens to an all powerful being....while prostrating yourself at the Altar of Hope that by doing X, Y, Z you will be amongst the 'favored'

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And that is the key flaw in the doctrines that attempt to make us believe in a Divine Presence.

Nobody ever showed genuine gratitude to some dickpulling fuck who brags about being able to crush somebody like a bug.

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^^^ MMhmmm....how was Caligula taken out of the game again...?

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Primal stated: source post

 

We have the DNA, programed with instructions from the genome for every little piece to click together, to form what you call you.

For the most part....but the DNA is also capable of errors in transcription due to other variables...so...you have mutations...and they survive as well even when not necessarily adaptive. 

 

Mutation is induced by external forces. Deformation you mean. Today they say it's an anomaly. It could have something to do with some thing interfering with the development of the fetus for all we know.

 

The functions of the systems is incredibly advanced, as a human we can take our technology which is vastly less advanced than we are, and we'll never get that technology from shaking it around in a box even if it was done, zillions times zillions times zillions of times.

You are comparing apples to oranges...both are fruits...but that is where the similarity ends. 

Synthetic and unconscious or biological and conscious, the same rules of randomness apply. Using an inanimate thing we've created is modest, while we and all creatures are far more advanced.

 

Charles Darwin was a theist. But it's the atheist that adopts the theory of evolution the most, and they disregard any kind of consciousness in the evolution of us. The scientific atheist doesn't have the answers as of yet, but they have a conclusion and as they say they are working on it.

We have what exists to work with as the conclusion at present...anything else would be a silly suggestion and ludicrous. But they have the sense to admit it. 

 

It doesn't make sense to suggest "nothing" designed us, while we who are conscious have yet to achieve anything as ingenious as a flea. It also doesn't make sense to argue how we don't get something from nothing, but then make an acception to that rule as far as the big bang is concerned.

Some 'argue' the brain renders consciousness. It's unproven, but they are working on it.

To them an unconscious force had us form eyes, which is incredible and staggeringly convenient because light exists.

Is that so? Then how does that explain nocturnal animals that use sonar? And there exist simple celled organisms with light sensors....not "eyes' but similar function....and not all eyes preceive in the same manner nor spectrum either...God spent a hell of a lot of time on the design....or he rolled the dice with the potentials...unknown.

Because sound exists, we have ears as those creatures are equipped with the extended version of such biological instrumentation to suit their dark environment.

Are we to believe an unconscious force conveniently designed us with ears by accident, while the ear's purpose is for sound, while sound also happens to exist ? It's the same connecting the dots with the eyes and the existence of light, and how this gas in particular that we breath is conveniently the most invisible thing which again complements the connection between light, and our eyes.

 

 

Something from nothing violates the laws of the known universe, except in the beginning.  They call this an accident, we have no reason, yet, we can see the design of our hands have a purpose, as everything on us has a purpose. 

Damn those exceptions..lol....So, it's God...and maybe it is/was....maybe not in the manner that comforts you perhaps?

The only self collapsing wave function, is the mind itself. And it's known that the big bang could only be self collapsing, or else nothing would have caused the movement to spark that. Why believe something came of nothing throughout the whole universe only once ?  Maybe none of it is in a comforting manner. In seeking the truth have I experienced harsh realities that makes it easier to digest another harsher reality. I'm convinced acceptance will make the open flames a walk in the park. 

By no means are we random in design alone, the DNA itself is made up of things far more minuscule than itself and those things make up everything.

Energy....particle and wave at the same time...? This is never ending the debate...the equations supporting the theories as well..

I think the problem is the concept of Random Design....evolution is given to 'random' and not the comfy soft flow of change...pretty brutal as well. 

The thing I was referring to more minuscule than DNA that makes up everything, are atoms. Interestingly enough, atoms are mostly comprised of space. That doesn't change in the grand scheme of things so that would make us mostly made of space in general.

There are absolutely issues with Random design. Random doesn't even equate to design or selected functionalities that happen to connected to it's environment to begin with.

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Science suggests energy cannot be created or destroyed. Yet here we are, made up of materials as old as the universe. And the energy is recycling and converting itself as all materials do from scratch. I personally think in the Big bang, the materials that make up all physical objects was put here, from what can be described as an eternal universe. Technically the materials in the universe would be older than the universe, but at the same time, time is an illusion so not really. It's the kind of answers we see in quantum physicals, and all of this is quantum physicals by default.

Quantum physics. Neither created nor destroyed but only is. The Buddhists are rather big on this line of thinking as well...Mind over matter....and seems each time that man goes searching....we keep finding....so which comes first? The thought or the manifestation?

Quantum physicists believe the underlying core of all things in existence is pure consciousness.  We never see other scientist arguing with quantum physicists cause not even they can explain it, yet all of our best or favorite technology utilizes quantum mechanics, which not 1 single person can make from scratch.

 

Let's see. Cluster B relationships are very unstable ones. They have an extremely high failure rate due to irrational behaviors. Hot and cold is the way of them. Online there are millions of people writing about their experiences. Some say you need to be one tough door mat while the cluster B eats your soul, and others who write about this will say run away as fast as you can. A lot of people don't understand it, and when these mindsets turn against the ones near them, those people take massive damage and they pretty much go mad or seek mental assistance.

Or you kick the stupid fuck out of your life. Nobody needs to put up with that brainless bullshit. 

Hm yes. Another thing about the cluster B. Is like the sociopath, they for some reason are highly magnetic and attractive people, and their sexual output is through the roof. People fall for them hard. I can get into the details about this, but in short it adds to how predatory they can be. In my personal case, my safety net was heart break, and distancing myself from someone I was only infatuated with. I still think about her sometimes, it's like seeing a mermaid or some kind of lethal creature from the movies. As we speak, there are people not recovering from these kind of encounters.

 

If I were projecting, I'd tell you about the time I was invited to her Birthday dinner. Just the two of us. Then after I paid, she ditched me and ignored me for 11 months, even though she lived right next door. She would have even put me in Jail while she suggested me trying to talk to her was harassment. I still like her a great deal which is fucked up, and she still calls, I just say away. I know she's fucked up and she suffers. And she is one of millions of cases,where she has a condition where she's literally programmed to sabotage herself, and damage anyone who's close to her.

Mmmhmm....and that's what you state. Wonder what she states...there seems to be quite the divide....that being said...experienced similar bullshit..so..lol..

So you'd know laughter is the best thing that automatically happens. I don't know what her side of the story would be. I left that place and rented another place some kilometers away. And she would come and see me.

One time she walked out of the door across from the place I was renting, then we went out to eat. I asked her a 2nd time what was she doing there ? Of course I would be curious cause she used to live next door to me. She then had a fit and started stonewalling me at the table. I just ate my food cracked jokes, and paid for myself. She called countless times after that, until one day she snapped as if that day in the restaurant just happened, and she hit me with the "you don't seem to have known I was upset !"

I'm marveled by all of this but really, I can see people will not recover so easily from any of this. She looks innocent too, and she'll captivate anyone and they will take her side. It's because of her I had to research sociopaths, and I assure you she's worse.

Out of cluster B personality types, we see high suicide rates, high crime rates, high promiscuity, damaged spouses and offspring. Extremely random and very irrational and highly Intense mood swings. You can recreate every action in a movie, and people will say the character is evil.

Evil? No. Just a dumb ass on roids that requires a crowbar to the base of the skull....you know....the light goes on for a second or two...then dipshit returns....it's predictable garbage. It's not a matter of 'if' but 'when'

 

As I said. These conditions will make a demon proud. If someone snaps and does the crowbar to the head thing, that's great for satanic agendas in spiritual warfare. Slaughter the beat, and become the monster.

The cluster B conditions are focused on fucking people spiritually. Few who carry the burden outshine it.

 

As mentioned some cluster B's have a better head on their shoulders and have more control over the so called smoke and mirrors that may or may not inspire the making of strife. As these conditions are, they are absolutely fixated on destruction. You to say this is a projection of mine, I don't think you know anything about the typical behaviors of a Cluster B.

Seen enough to not give a shit. If they want to self destruct....I will encourage it. 

 

Another demonic check mark. Even if it's fiction to you. It's fictionally correct in that regard.

 

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Xena stated: source post

And that is the key flaw in the doctrines that attempt to make us believe in a Divine Presence.

Nobody ever showed genuine gratitude to some dickpulling fuck who brags about being able to crush somebody like a bug.

I'm pretty sure you're WFE. You always aid him despite everyone frowning at his pettiness. He does that, as you say, dickpulling bragging about being able to crush someone too.

I don't take you seriously cause you contradict yourself.

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Mutation is induced by external forces. Deformation you mean. Today they say it's an anomaly. It could have something to do with some thing interfering with the development of the fetus for all we know.

There is also spontaneous mutation. Either that or variables unaccounted for....chemical interference, UV light, what have you. NOT 'deformation' per se...but phenotypically it is expressed as such. Errors in transcription at the level of mRNA, multiple possibilities.

Synthetic and unconscious or biological and conscious, the same rules of randomness apply. Using an inanimate thing we've created is modest, while we and all creatures are far more advanced.

Can work with that. The biological machinery is truly fascinating....human and animal...similar but each uniquely different. 

It doesn't make sense to suggest "nothing" designed us, while we who are conscious have yet to achieve anything as ingenious as a flea. 

Of course it does! It makes no sense to ascribe intelligent design, when what is observed in practice is repeating patterns of a successful system of potentials.

It also doesn't make sense to argue how we don't get something from nothing, but then make an acception to that rule as far as the big bang is concerned.

Bloody hell...that IS your argument, and now you are contradicting yourself. 

Some 'argue' the brain renders consciousness. It's unproven, but they are working on it.
LOL....oookay....so...what you are stating, is that...without a brain there is consciousness possible, or life? Which is it? Because clearly there are those that exist without a brain, and others that are barely conscious they exist. Then you have those so strung out on drugs...they babble weird ass shit thinking they are making sense...lol...

Because sound exists, we have ears as those creatures are equipped with the extended version of such biological instrumentation to suit their dark environment.

Dude...you are pulling this out of the ether...

Are we to believe an unconscious force conveniently designed us with ears by accident, while the ear's purpose is for sound, while sound also happens to exist ? It's the same connecting the dots with the eyes and the existence of light, and how this gas in particular that we breath is conveniently the most invisible thing which again complements the connection between light, and our eyes.

Accident of potentials that worked. The flaws don't generally survive themselves...if they do....it eventually wipes out without external aid. ( see humans on that)

The only self collapsing wave function, is the mind itself. And it's known that the big bang could only be self collapsing, or else nothing would have caused the movement to spark that. Why believe something came of nothing throughout the whole universe only once ?  Maybe none of it is in a comforting manner. In seeking the truth have I experienced harsh realities that makes it easier to digest another harsher reality. I'm convinced acceptance will make the open flames a walk in the park. 

In the time framw of your existence...seriously....why give a fuck?

The thing I was referring to more minuscule than DNA that makes up everything, are atoms. Interestingly enough, atoms are mostly comprised of space. That doesn't change in the grand scheme of things so that would make us mostly made of space in general.

All  that solid space, when a crowbar of space smashes the cranium of space and produces PAIN...dunno....but...stick to reality would you?


There are absolutely issues with Random design. Random doesn't even equate to design or selected functionalities that happen to connected to it's environment to begin with.

So, you are saying mutation is not Random either, and everything is predestined....oookay...well..hmmm...

Quantum physicists believe the underlying core of all things in existence is pure consciousness.  We never see other scientist arguing with quantum physicists cause not even they can explain it, yet all of our best or favorite technology utilizes quantum mechanics, which not 1 single person can make from scratch.

You gets tons of arguments...and your last statement is without basis nor sense to support the opener...

Hm yes. Another thing about the cluster B. Is like the sociopath, they for some reason are highly magnetic and attractive people, and their sexual output is through the roof. 
lol...yeah...they fuck anything for validation...eye roll ...and others not. 

People fall for them hard.
Some do. Others run...they can be fun depending though

 I can get into the details about this, but in short it adds to how predatory they can be. In my personal case, my safety net was heart break, and distancing myself from someone I was only infatuated with. I still think about her sometimes, it's like seeing a mermaid or some kind of lethal creature from the movies. As we speak, there are people not recovering from these kind of encounters.

Then there was something buggered with them to start with. There is nothing to recover from , other than to get the hell lost and not reengage with stupid for any reason. 

So you'd know laughter is the best thing that automatically happens. I don't know what her side of the story would be. I left that place and rented another place some kilometers away. And she would come and see me.

One time she walked out of the door across from the place I was renting, then we went out to eat. I asked her a 2nd time what was she doing there ? Of course I would be curious cause she used to live next door to me. She then had a fit and started stonewalling me at the table. I just ate my food cracked jokes, and paid for myself. She called countless times after that, until one day she snapped as if that day in the restaurant just happened, and she hit me with the "you don't seem to have known I was upset !"

I'm marveled by all of this but really, I can see people will not recover so easily from any of this. She looks innocent too, and she'll captivate anyone and they will take her side. It's because of her I had to research sociopaths, and I assure you she's worse.

LOL....oh yes....ran into a couple of those...weirdest fking things..online...even more bizarre...

As I said. These conditions will make a demon proud. If someone snaps and does the crowbar to the head thing, that's great for satanic agendas in spiritual warfare. Slaughter the beat, and become the monster.
LMAO...no...'satanic' my ass....that is how you deal with bullshit. It is also extremely effective. 

The cluster B conditions are focused on fucking people spiritually. Few who carry the burden outshine it.

Not possible. That suggests they are something other than flesh and blood and that is all the stupid twats are. Nothing "magikal" about them,. 

Another demonic check mark. Even if it's fiction to you. It's fictionally correct in that regard.

Fuck the demons, Spatial. Just flesh and blood dealing with a retard on EMO roids...nothing more or less...lol..holy shit!

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