I believe they made several changes to what constitutes rape around that time. I also don't think those years had any spikes in immigration and thus don't seem reasonable as an alternative explanation.
That would really be something, wouldn't it ThenFuckIt? Good catch as always.
These kinds of stories are meant to elicit an emotional response, same as when the pro-immigration side spams stories about how horrible the journey migrants make is. How can you measure respective side against each other unless you have data to go on?
Really? How so? this is not some gruesome emotionally laden rendition. It suggests that you have an asshole that can be penetrated against your will. Is that the case or not? Very simple to imagine that for yourself if no one else. Just sit on a fence post, pointy end up, something really hard. Should give you the general idea. Would you be ok with that being forced on you? Try not to think too long about it...lol...
That "immigration" was not forced, it was a choice, of course you could say it wasn't much of a choice, as to stay was to possibly get killed by other Muslims ( people that share the same faith but not the same degree of lunacy) However when they come over to Europe, they seem to go full retard.
Is that 6.7% increase an absolute or relative increase?
Now you are being deliberately ridiculous. Don't. Those numbers and the source were already posted direct from the German government criminal research. Of course, you will deny that anything that does not meet with your world view is not to be believed, even with countless stories blaring in your face. That is really something to watch. But not impressive I can tell you that. Merely an example of how well the PC rhetoric has worked it's wonders on you.
I think Europe should help people that are in need of it and pointing to the inability of other nations as a valid reason not to is a bad argument. If Poland does not want to help out by taking in refugees I assume they have proposed a viable alternative solution?
Why is the Muslim brotherhood not helping their own? That is a more valid question. They have the money and the space to do so. ( you can thank the Oil for that) Poland is not responsible for the refugees. Period. Neither is Europe. That problem is the responsibility of the Arab Islamic world to sort out. Always has been. But they sort that out by killing each other. And then when they come to Europe, they complain and rape the people that have tried to help them. ( that is the full retard thing mentioned previously)
The west's problem is that it thinks to be tolerant (which it greatly believes in) means you have to accept the intolerance of others, like Islam.
That is the problem isn't it? Now how did that EVER become a way to think? Slit your own throat for another's stupidity? I think not. Sell that line of bs somewhere else. It's called crazy for a reason.
This is a prime example of one side obfuscating by not being intellectually honest.
You don't like the numbers because, what exactly? It proves that rape is a problem and even more of a problem for the population that agreed to those definitions of rape? You are not making much of an argument Inquirier, if anything you are proving my point.
Since 2005 Sweden's legal definition of rape is much broader than most other countries' and the spike in rapes correlate with that. Why is this always ignored?
A random article on a string of public assaults and sex attacks in Sweden tells us what exactly?
That does muddy the waters somewhat, but not hugely. 500% is an insane amount. I am not talking a girl has sex and then cries it about after the fact because she changed her mind either. So , be a little reasonable. The numbers in Germany alone and the ethnicity of the perpetrators are sharper for you , if you are so inclined to argue that. It's getting a bit stupid to point out the obvious to you. Go look and read about it yourself. Show something that is contrary to the statements and information posted here, otherwise all you are going on about is more of the same crap as Eddie was posting, which he also cannot back up with anything but his illustrious opinion Kumbayfreakingya and some false sense of guilt over oil extraction.
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He was out of there's the thing, and if the rapist hadn't tried to rape someone, he could have stayed out of there. It's not like he didn't know the potential costs of his actions.
Maybe you could argue rape is more accepted where he's from and thus he didn't fully know, or feel rather, that it was as wrong as we in the west deem it to be?
The law's still in place, and he likely knew what such laws were. It's like when I was visiting Thailand, it's not wise to speak about the king as that's enough of an offense to be thrown in jail if you aren't careful. To not stop what you're doing and respectfully stand during their anthems can be seen as a criminal offense as well, with the same punishment attached.
Now, I'm not one to support patriotism, I'm not one who enjoys keeping my mouth shut when it comes to how odd something appears, and from being a US citizen I didn't really have to worry about those two things until then, but despite my feelings I didn't want to be thrown in jail or deported. This is the same system that threw a man in jail for making a joke about his dog on social media.
If I can do this, surely another can choose to not rape someone, especially when it's against the law and is an effort that takes more to enact. I see no reason to sympathize here.
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These kinds of stories are meant to elicit an emotional response, same as when the pro-immigration side spams stories about how horrible the journey migrants make is. How can you measure respective side against each other unless you have data to go on?
Really? How so? this is not some gruesome emotionally laden rendition. It suggests that you have an asshole that can be penetrated against your will. Is that the case or not? Very simple to imagine that for yourself if no one else. Just sit on a fence post, pointy end up, something really hard. Should give you the general idea. Would you be ok with that being forced on you? Try not to think too long about it...lol...
What's so hard to understand? Your rhetoric implies we're all about to get raped, yet I have not seen numbers supporting the claim of a great rape wave. Anecdotal stories don't help us much.
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That "immigration" was not forced, it was a choice, of course you could say it wasn't much of a choice, as to stay was to possibly get killed by other Muslims ( people that share the same faith but not the same degree of lunacy) However when they come over to Europe, they seem to go full retard.
"Not much of a choice" is pretty much the same as forced to me. But it's a spectrum, of course, from war refugees to people simply looking for a better life.
So "they seem to go full retard" can be translated to "12% of the migrants commit some sort of crime" (if you go by the Swedish 2005 study)? Don't you think that's a dishonest statement?
Is that 6.7% increase an absolute or relative increase?
Now you are being deliberately ridiculous. Don't. Those numbers and the source were already posted direct from the German government criminal research. Of course, you will deny that anything that does not meet with your world view is not to be believed, even with countless stories blaring in your face. That is really something to watch. But not impressive I can tell you that. Merely an example of how well the PC rhetoric has worked it's wonders on you.
It was a serious question (I was too lazy to go and check). You seeing PC rhetoric everywhere isn't particularly impressive either.
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I think Europe should help people that are in need of it and pointing to the inability of other nations as a valid reason not to is a bad argument. If Poland does not want to help out by taking in refugees I assume they have proposed a viable alternative solution?
Why is the Muslim brotherhood not helping their own? That is a more valid question. They have the money and the space to do so. ( you can thank the Oil for that) Poland is not responsible for the refugees. Period. Neither is Europe. That problem is the responsibility of the Arab Islamic world to sort out. Always has been. But they sort that out by killing each other. And then when they come to Europe, they complain and rape the people that have tried to help them. ( that is the full retard thing mentioned previously)
If you don't believe in helping other people in need then we'll never agree on the best course of action. I do however, and the failure of other nations does not change that. It isn't about guilt or responsibility, it's about helping out if you have the power to do so. And Europe has that power.
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The west's problem is that it thinks to be tolerant (which it greatly believes in) means you have to accept the intolerance of others, like Islam.
That is the problem isn't it? Now how did that EVER become a way to think? Slit your own throat for another's stupidity? I think not. Sell that line of bs somewhere else. It's called crazy for a reason.
That's what I think is west's problem, yes. A failure to stand up for its own values.
I'm not going to take the "end is nigh" chanting seriously until I see numbers for it and I haven't yet. This does not mean I don't think there's a problem, just that it's not as massive as you make it out to be.
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This is a prime example of one side obfuscating by not being intellectually honest.
You don't like the numbers because, what exactly? It proves that rape is a problem and even more of a problem for the population that agreed to those definitions of rape? You are not making much of an argument Inquirier, if anything you are proving my point.Since 2005 Sweden's legal definition of rape is much broader than most other countries' and the spike in rapes correlate with that. Why is this always ignored?
It proves nothing? The definition was changed and the amount of rapes changed with it. Thinking it could have more to do with the change in definition than with immigration is strange to you?
A random article on a string of public assaults and sex attacks in Sweden tells us what exactly?
That does muddy the waters somewhat, but not hugely. 500% is an insane amount. I am not talking a girl has sex and then cries it about after the fact because she changed her mind either. So , be a little reasonable. The numbers in Germany alone and the ethnicity of the perpetrators are sharper for you , if you are so inclined to argue that. It's getting a bit stupid to point out the obvious to you. Go look and read about it yourself. Show something that is contrary to the statements and information posted here, otherwise all you are going on about is more of the same crap as Eddie was posting, which he also cannot back up with anything but his illustrious opinion Kumbayfreakingya and some false sense of guilt over oil extraction.
I'll take a look at those German statistics. Apart from those your "pointing out"s are on the same level as Edvard's, as I see it. It's just a bunch of unsupported opinions.
What's so hard to understand? Your rhetoric implies we're all about to get raped, yet I have not seen numbers supporting the claim of a great rape wave. Anecdotal stories don't help us much.
Not rhetoric. Facts. Plain and very simple numbers. But you argue the numbers as well. For some reason, you think it is a 'hate on' for Islam. Far from it. I dislike what I see happening though. So that would be a fair call to make.
"Not much of a choice" is pretty much the same as forced to me. But it's a spectrum, of course, from war refugees to people simply looking for a better life.
Well, they are not all 'refugees' are they? Economic refugees vs Political refugees are not even vaguely the same. One is fleeing for their life, the other for money. But both expect handouts , and when they don't get enough, they rape and pillage and threaten to cut your head off if you don't convert to their religion. It's really rather strange.
It was a serious question (I was too lazy to go and check). You seeing PC rhetoric everywhere isn't particularly impressive either.
Please check it again, also the Swedish stats you posted. That was appreciated. Fair enough on PC rhetoric, will address that in another point you made.
If you don't believe in helping other people in need then we'll never agree on the best course of action. I do however, and the failure of other nations does not change that. It isn't about guilt or responsibility, it's about helping out if you have the power to do so. And Europe has that power.
In fact, I do. But not past the point of reason or harm to self. And my POV wrt Europe and rapes and violence for no reason, that is past that point. Well past it.
That's what I think is west's problem, yes. A failure to stand up for its own values.
Well, then we are in agreement, but the disagreement is that you feel the numbers are not strong enough to back up the obvious. Where I disagree with you in that, as it seems pretty obvious to me that things are getting really bad. Friends in Germany have told me as much. That was one on one, not the news. Real life people in what was once their home towns.
I'm not going to take the "end is nigh" chanting seriously until I see numbers for it and I haven't yet.
By the time you do, it will be too late anyways. That's how it works. Hindsight is 20/20 for that precise reason. History just repeats itself.
It proves nothing? The definition was changed and the amount of rapes changed with it. Thinking it could have more to do with the change in definition than with immigration is strange to you?
It proves that Rape is a crime with multiple meanings. And as Turncoat also stated, the immigrants know the laws. But you see, infidel women are for raping. That used to be broadcast over the radio when I was a kid overseas. Nothing in Islamic thinking has changed one iota in that regard.
This is hilarious. These women are essentially next to naked according to Islam and discussing the 'ok' on Sharia.
Also, women in a country as progressive as Sweden could be more likely to report rape, as I imagine they are, at least in a lot of cases, less likely to be shot down than in the U.S. I'm not sure how male rape measures up to other nations in Sweden, but greater sexual liberation for both genders could potentially increase their proneness to being victims.
From what I have come to understand, many women in the US don't report rape as they are too embarrassed and get raped on the stand yet again. So, who knows which is more or less likely to be raped? Sexual liberation is not synonymous with promiscuity.