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Primal stated: source post

What's so hard to understand? Your rhetoric implies we're all about to get raped, yet I have not seen numbers supporting the claim of a great rape wave. Anecdotal stories don't help us much.
Not rhetoric. Facts. Plain and very simple numbers. But you argue the numbers as well. For some reason, you think it is a 'hate on' for Islam. Far from it. I dislike what I see happening though. So that would be a fair call to make.

Even if you were 'hating' on Islam I'd be fine with it. I certainly don't approve of Islam as a whole.

Primal stated: source post

"Not much of a choice" is pretty much the same as forced to me. But it's a spectrum, of course, from war refugees to people simply looking for a better life.
Well, they are not all 'refugees' are they? Economic refugees vs Political refugees are not even vaguely the same. One is fleeing for their life, the other for money. But both expect handouts , and when they don't get enough, they rape and pillage and threaten to cut your head off if you don't convert to their religion. It's really rather strange.

Like I said it's a spectrum, and you can't possibly help them all even if you'd like to. I'm just tired of the rhetoric that claims all refugees rape and the world is about end. I find it greatly exaggerated and hindering intellectual discussion, just like the pro-immigration side does by shutting down discussion by calling everything "racism".

Some Muslims rape and pillage, yes, but still a minority. But I don't deny it's a definite issue that needs to be tackled.

Primal stated: source post

If you don't believe in helping other people in need then we'll never agree on the best course of action. I do however, and the failure of other nations does not change that. It isn't about guilt or responsibility, it's about helping out if you have the power to do so. And Europe has that power.

In fact, I do. But not past the point of reason or harm to self. And my POV wrt Europe and rapes and violence for no reason, that is past that point. Well past it.

Arguing for a stop of immigration is fine, as I see it. There are plenty of valid reasons for thinking we've reached our limit. I would however like a good alternative proposed that will still help them, preferably from a united EU as a whole. One idea would be to help fund refugee camps in countries neighboring the conflict zones. Merkel's Turkey attempt is such a move, though I'm rather skeptical about how that particular endeavor will pan out.

Primal stated: source post

That's what I think is west's problem, yes. A failure to stand up for its own values.
Well, then we are in agreement, but the disagreement is that you feel the numbers are not strong enough to back up the obvious. Where I disagree with you in that, as it seems pretty obvious to me that things are getting really bad. Friends in Germany have told me as much. That was one on one, not the news. Real life people in what was once their home towns.

Yes, that's where we disagree. I'm colored by my personal experience discussing this with other people, where I've found that most do not really have much to back up their claims when pressed. It's very easy to think the world's ending if you only glance over news headlines and never take the time to actually dig a little deeper.

I have friends with first hand experience with the issues too though, some of them immigrants themselves. I'm just unsure of the scale of problems, and I don't trust anecdotes to give me a true and nuanced perspective.

Primal stated: source post
It proves that Rape is a crime with multiple meanings. And as Turncoat also stated, the immigrants know the laws.

Yes, but you can't really discern anything from the numbers because of that change in definition. You can't prove either way where that spike came from; changed legal definition or influx of high-risk immigrants. Or a little bit of both.

Primal stated: source post

Also, women in a country as progressive as Sweden could be more likely to report rape, as I imagine they are, at least in a lot of cases, less likely to be shot down than in the U.S. I'm not sure how male rape measures up to other nations in Sweden, but greater sexual liberation for both genders could potentially increase their proneness to being victims.

From what I have come to understand, many women in the US don't report rape as they are too embarrassed and get raped on the stand yet again. So, who knows which is more or less likely to be raped? Sexual liberation is not synonymous with promiscuity. 

Rape is a crime that is massively underreported due to social stigma. I do think one reason for the increase in rapes reported in Sweden is that women here are more willing to report them.

Yes when people go to other countries they should know the laws and culture. There was a university student who went to North Korea. This is a place they try to persuade individuals to avoid.  Then he got captured for breaking a law. The American government went to rescue him. I do wonder if he should be rescued. I mean he got himself in the country. It is not a joke it is real life. 

I think it is important to know the water purity of the location. I would not want to go to a place where they say people should not get shower water or tap water in their mouth. I would not want the water on my hands or body if I do not want it in my mouth. I hear some places the only drinkable water is in water bottles. 

How much time have you spent around muslims? How many muslims do you know? 

I live in a v muslim area. I'm prob the only white person on my street, and for several streets around. All I can say is I've never had any trouble - going out by myself, even dressed revealing or late at night, I've never even had so much as a bad comment let alone been attacked. They keep to themselves, but they're not a bad lot on the whole. Perhaps the reason is they aren't recent arrivals - mostly second or third generation from Pakistan or Bangladesh, and pretty Westernised. From the ones I have got to know, it seems to me they are "culturally Muslim" in the same way as many Christians and Jews might identify themselves as Christian or Jewish but not follow the faith in any meaningful way, eg I know plenty of Muslims who would describe themselves as Muslim but they drink, go to clubs, even eat pork etc. Maybe the next generation of these refugees who are brought up here and go to school here will turn out to be the same. 

I'm not saying that these rapes and so on don't happen, I'm sure they do, but you can understand my skepticism about the extent of it when that really hasn't been my own experience. It seems to me a lot of the hysteria is just coming from the media, or from people who haven't had much contact with muslims ,such as those in the States. 

Missbehaved stated: source post

I think it is important to know the water purity of the location. I would not want to go to a place where they say people should not get shower water or tap water in their mouth. I would not want the water on my hands or body if I do not want it in my mouth. I hear some places the only drinkable water is in water bottles. 

That's how it was for me for three and a half months during my South East Asia trip. As long as it's economically balanced enough, you can easily get used to not drinking out of the faucet from how readily available bottled water and water coolers are (in fact, now it feels weird to drink out of faucets). Just don't shower with your mouth agape and you'll be fine. 

Edit: Wait, what is this related to within this topic? It kind of came out of nowhere. 

So did you brush your teeth with water bottles?

I used mouthwash and toothpaste, then cleaned the brush afterwards in the faucet. If my mouth was too toothpaste-y, swishing around a tiny amount of bottled water would do the trick. 

So... what does this have to do with what's being discussed? Is a lack of potable drinking water making for additional rape? 

Missbehaved stated: source post

So did you brush your teeth with water bottles?

That seems awfully ineffective. I'm sure he used a toothbrush. 

How to stop rape? I think it would start at home in the raising environment of the children. It then must proceed with education and culture. I think even with the best efforts possible there will still be rapists. I mean there are still murderers. I think we can try to learn from countries with low crime rates and even lower repeated crime rates.I think looking at the types of crimes committed is important.

Norway vs US

This site you can compare the crime and rape rate of countries.

http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Norway/United-States/Crime