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you know i had trouble articulating this one. in my mind it's a snap judgment that i seldom analyze beyond simply being weak. of course it's always relative, but generally people being doormat types. insecurity to the point that everything they fear will be confirmed in a sense because they try so hard. most of all, those who seek the weak ones out and only mess with them, being respectful to everyone else. it triggers something in me, esp if their attitude toward me personally changes when they realize i am not 'weak'.

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"weakness in either gender (adults) is repulsive to me."

What kind of weakness?

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Listen,folks...  What fun is there in the analysis of Sugar that getting to play with the real thing can't surpass?

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people who are afraid to defend themselves, not attack. what gave you that impression?

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So people who are afraid to provoke others, basically?

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i don't know what a woman is supposed to be tbh. we are capable of being more adaptable while still retaining femininity. weakness in either gender (adults) is repulsive to me.

i don't know what kinda personal standards i hold myself to in terms of being a woman. it's not that simple to me, it's more about who i am as a person. with family, understanding and being the glue of sorts. when it comes to work, meticulous quality. everything else is dependent on specific factors.

and i mean being able to pay for my shit, but not necessary paying. being self sufficient and financially stable, as far as it's possible. i'm not particularly expensive..i am partial to being spoiled though. and vice versa of course

So let me see if I have this right, you have a set idea for what a man is supposed to be, and it seems uncomplicated from how you describe it, but you don't have a template for a woman? What kind of traits do you see in other women that you feel are exclusively in women, that bother you? What kind of woman makes you cringe, and why do you feel you have the right to judge them as weak? Do you find yourself criticizing women more than men?

Do you have a hard time putting yourself in the place of someone else? When you say "being the glue", do you see yourself as the person who holds your family together? Do you thing things will fall apart without you at work or home?  

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i disagree, it doesn't have to be combative. defending yourself can just be explaining to someone why they're being unfair or rude. no one says you have to humiliate or destroy the person.

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I was focusing on control and balance. Flowing from our conversation, people who do not defend themselves give themselves over to being controlled. I never mentioned humiliation or destruction.

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She wanted this. Ask her where the fun is. Then ask yourself why it mattered to you.

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I'm somewhat disappointed at the "gender expectations" portion, but from me that's probably laughably predictable. Gender expectations is a huge pet peave of mine, likely from how often I see it and from how I can't utilize it beyond targetting women who are as outraged by it as I am for their own demographic's reasons. Gender neutral views are better, but my reasons for preferring it are likely from my own angst as opposed to something admirable.

Expecting to be persued is a form of entitled weakness for charisma where "old fashioned" is used as an excuse, usually from not wanting to face failure in a way that's easier to rationalize. I doubt your version stems from feeling like you're "too good" for playing the persuer role, but it also surprises me from how strong you come across on this forum. I guess I saw you as more of a go-getter rebel as opposed to one that rationalizes an easier path through convenient social constructs.

Having said that, I prefer to be persued as well, but I am willing to say that it's something about me that's centered around convenience and a fear of failure. This is likely because of my not being able to use the social construct of gender binaries as an excuse. Even though I admire strength in another person, that's not an excuse for me to be weak myself, and as a result I've been saddled with the gender expectation BS numerous times and have found myself feverishly debating how ridiculous the excuses are when it usually roots from something else entirely. It's practically a form of socially learned helplessness pushed through oppressive forms of groupthink.

The idea of women being a "prize" enables so much weakness and halts progression in so many ways. It's fine to prefer one role over the other, but to make it about gender as a whole is harmful to both sides of it.

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