"For some people, murder is the ultimate risk, the ultimate rush."
You can piss off the law enough through actions without killing people. If it was about "The Risk" they could find the same level of it through other things, same for "the rush". If it's just that it's something people frown upon that is the motivation, it's sort of sad, isn't it? It reflects the person killing more than the ones killed, their deaths being a paint brush of their own pain or suffering. If life is supposed to carry so much value supposedly, you'd think that they'd be more creative than a small child about what could be done with it.
It's worse to live in pain than to die, and thrill seeking has so many other outlets. If I had the desire to really end someone, I'd figure they'd be better off left as a broken mess than a dead one, as dead people don't think about what happened to them.
"Or maybe you would, who knows."
Oh I would. Once dead it's not like I'd be like "Well damn, that sucks." 
I accept that the "value" my own life holds is just as much hype as any other life (save for a famous life). I'd defend myself out of said hype, but once dead it'd stop mattering even that much.
"The point is, a candle can be snuffed out and no-one will give a shit, but you snuff out a human life and not only will the person's family care, but so may a portion of society (depending on who was murdered and how)."
Come on, we're a society that values crap like Holy Water and Trinkets, a candle's fire could be given enough hype to be seen as a big deal. Look at the Olympic Torch for example, it's meaningless without the hype people have built around it. Imagine how people would respond if someone pissed into that fire, it'd be far more of an uproar than some Joe Shmoe no one knows dying.
It's all hype, even the family's response to it is their responding to hype and instinct, not anything of real value or weight. Killing a person only "matters" as much as the people who care about him or her, something a candle is equally capable of accomplishing. Killing a homeless person carries just as much value as killing The Pope or The President as far as I am concerned, since why one would be cared for more than the other is just a construct made by people, a belief collectively held by naive masses that haven't learned to face such things for what they truly are.
"A little murder can have a big impact."
Anything can have a "big impact" when it comes to hype.
"I know a guy who is still angry and upset over the murder of one his family members and that happened a long time ago."
Give it time, he'll either get over it or die. "On a long enough timeline, the life expectancy of everyone drops to zero."
"That's because you don't have the homicidal urge to hunt human prey. You don't see them the way I do."
You're right, I don't, but there has to be more than mere rush and risk behind it. People aren't anything special, so why bother?
"There's a saying: The body is the canvas, the crime scene is the art."
Not all art is good, quality art. Why not strive to be more than a mere murderer when you could be the best? Why not use it as your path to immortality?
"No."
Why not? You could even instigate said person to become violent and murder by proxy. Can you imagine it, knowing a person died and someone's mind is that much more shattered? It's like a two-for-one deal.
"My life matters to me and I guarantee you that if I'm holding a knife to someone's neck and they know I'm going to kill them, it matters to them too."
Until they're dead. Being kept alive can stretch the torture, while dying is peaceful once the pain fades. Killing them is letting them off easy.
"Why should I give a fuck about making anything more acceptable to others?"
People will accept some twisted shit like it's poetry if it's done right, it's one of the many paths to fame. Surely you can see how that could be entertaining within itself, you've written multiple blogs on the topic. Imagine if people read them and actually found value in it, saw it as priceless, maybe even create a string of copycats? There's so much more that can be done than appeasing a carnal desire, it could be made into something breathtaking, glorious.
"It's not just about the rush and the risk. It's about the challenge. It's about pushing boundaries and limits. Seeing what you can do and what you can get away with. Maybe those reasons are dumb to you as well, but to me, they're not."
Which challenge though? What boundaries and limits? Getting away with it from whom? Just the law and surrounding pedestrians?
If it ceased being challenging, would you apply handicaps onto yourself to make it carry the rush it once did?
"You don't get it. The fix comes from the killing. There is nothing that can replace that. Murder is the ultimate goal."
What's the big deal about taking a life from someone beyond the shock others attach to the topic? Wouldn't it be more fun to watch them suffer?
I guess what I'm asking is what within the murder makes it worth it beyond adrenaline? Is it watching their expression leave their eyes? Is it the struggle leading up to it? What's the appeal for you specifically within your choice of passion? It can't just be an adrenaline high you desire from the challenge, rush, and risk, as otherwise you'd just seek other outlets. Beyond raw passion, what makes murder specifically the ultimate goal, just that it's frowned upon and hurts those who knew the person? Is it that you view it as playing a game where both sides are more equally matched, "The Ultimate Prey" hype?
I'd personally find it far more amusing to see those who suffered from the deaths stuck debating with those who glamorize the killer.
by TurncoatI don't see the appeal when it's just people.
That's because you don't have the homicidal urge to hunt human prey. You don't see them the way I do.
I don't, but a lack of creativity is boring, and in this case brutish.
Murder can be creative. Though, what defines 'art' is in the eye of the beholder.
There's a saying: The body is the canvas, the crime scene the art.
Wouldn't you rather break a person and have them stuck like that than just click an off switch? Dead people don't squirm.
No.
The importance you place on your own life also has no weight. You're nobody, just like everyone else.
My life matters to me and I guarantee you that if I'm holding a knife to someone's neck and they know I'm going to kill them, it matters to them too.
When nothing means anything, you might as well try to have your taboo choices be the most they can be. You mention how killing someone hurts their family, why not aim to do more than just the pain of loss? Make the spectacle more disturbing or even acceptable by others? It at least adds more dimension to what could be done.
Why should I give a fuck about making anything more acceptable to others?
I don't care about them.
"Rush" and "Risk" alone are dumb reasons when not paired with other motivations.
It's not just about the rush and the risk. It's about the challenge. It's about pushing boundaries and limits. Seeing what you can do and what you can get away with. Maybe those reasons are dumb to you as well, but to me, they're not.
Why make the fun so temporary when you could stretch it out? Make that fix last a while?
You don't get it. The fix comes from the killing. There is nothing that can replace that. Murder is the ultimate goal.
"Besides, there are around 7 billion people in the world. So what if some people want to kill a few. It's not like humanity is going to die out anytime soon."
While I agree with the insignificance portion, I also see said insignificance as something that would rob pleasure from it. I don't see the appeal when it's just people.
"Why do you assume one has to be creative in order to fulfill their desires?"
I don't, but a lack of creativity is boring, and in this case brutish.
"For some, just destroying something that holds so much value to the person who possesses it is enough."
Simple minds simple pleasures, good point.
"Destruction can be a beautiful thing in itself."
If it's done right, yeah. A person dying isn't really entertainment by itself. Even then, it falls onto "beauty is in the eye of the beholder", which has it being an aspect of further hype.
"I didn't ask you how you would feel about your life if you were dead. Most people value their own lives while they're still alive to live it, obviously."
Not entirely the point I was trying to make. Wouldn't you rather break a person and have them stuck like that than just click an off switch? Dead people don't squirm.
"I value my own life above all others because it's important to me. It has nothing to do with 'hype' and everything to do with having a strong sense of self-preservation, and obviously the fact that living has it's benefits."
The importance you place on your own life also has no weight. You're nobody, just like everyone else.
"While others may also feel the same way about their own life, in my opinion, most other people's lives are insignificant and worthless. If they aren't useful to me, then they have no value and they may as well be dead."
What importance does your life have outside of your own perspective though, and in the grand scheme of things whose perspective actually maters?
"If this is truly how you think, then why do you seem to care so much if a few people get murdered?"
Because there's better answers. I don't even mean that in a preachy goodie two shoes fashion, it just strikes me as taking a less creative road when there's so many possibilities. The thoughts inside of a person's head are their world, and I find it more interesting to bend and twist that than snuff it out. Once dead, everyone's the same, the variation that makes them fun reduced to only a memory.
When nothing means anything, you might as well try to have your taboo choices be the most they can be. You mention how killing someone hurts their family, why not aim to do more than just the pain of loss? Make the spectacle more disturbing or even acceptable by others? It at least adds more dimension to what could be done.
"You're the one going on about how uncreative murder is and that those same risks could be taken in other, less homicidal ways"
Related to the fashion of if it's just about "The Rush" and "The Risk", yes. If there's other reasons that speak more volumes about the person who kills, those ones might hold water to me, since it's not like everyone who kills does so for the same reasons. "Rush" and "Risk" alone are dumb reasons when not paired with other motivations.
"If valuing people's lives is all just hype and some naive mass belief, then it doesn't matter if they die in some 'uncreative', homicidal way, right...?"
Why make the fun so temporary when you could stretch it out? Make that fix last a while?
Even with me saying these bits about "making it more entertaining", that also falls under hype. Most things people care about don't really matter and carry no weight, and I openly accept that my own cares are just as weightless.
Edit: Joker's Favor from Batman the Animated Series portrays my point rather well. Sure it's fiction, and sure he loses in the end due to being a kids show, but can you imagine how boring it would have been if he'd just killed him within the first five minutes? Inversely, can you imagine how differently it might have gone without those limitations? People can be like toys in the right hands.
Great stories come from creativity, while boring ones come from a lack of it. There's no reason why real life action can't be creative, even if the product that comes of it ends up less storybook than what comes from writers. Who knows, make enough of a spectacle out of it and future media may base stories off your exploits, creating an immortality that, while insignificant in the grand scheme of things, at least carries more weight than without it.
by TurncoatYou can piss off the law enough through actions without killing people. If it was about "The Risk" they could find the same level of it through other things, same for "the rush".
Of course, but it's not really about pissing off the law or rebelling against society. Though, for some, that could certainly be part of the motivation. It's more about doing something that makes you feel truly alive - the rush, the thrill of murder can be intoxicating (or so I've heard).
While I agree that risk-taking and thrill-seeking can be achieved other ways without killing people, everyone has their individual desires. Just because there are other ways to take risks, doesn't mean those other ways hold the same appeal.
Besides, there are around 7 billion people in the world. So what if some people want to kill a few. It's not like humanity is going to die out anytime soon.
If life is supposed to carry so much value supposedly, you'd think that they'd be more creative than a small child about what could be done with it.
Why do you assume one has to be creative in order to fulfill their desires?
For some, just destroying something that holds so much value to the person who possesses it is enough.
Destruction can be a beautiful thing in itself.
Once dead it's not like I'd be like "Well damn, that sucks."
I accept that the "value" my own life holds is just as much hype as any other life (save for a famous life). I'd defend myself out of said hype, but once dead it'd stop mattering even that much.
I didn't ask you how you would feel about your life if you were dead. Most people value their own lives while they're still alive to live it, obviously.
I value my own life above all others because it's important to me. It has nothing to do with 'hype' and everything to do with having a strong sense of self-preservation, and obviously the fact that living has it's benefits.
While others may also feel the same way about their own life, in my opinion, most other people's lives are insignificant and worthless. If they aren't useful to me, then they have no value and they may as well be dead.
Killing a homeless person carries just as much value as killing The Pope or The President as far as I am concerned, since why one would be cared for more than the other is just a construct made by people, a belief collectively held by naive masses that haven't learned to face such things for what they truly are.
I agree with this.
If this is truly how you think, then why do you seem to care so much if a few people get murdered?
You're the one going on about how uncreative murder is and that those same risks could be taken in other, less homicidal ways. If valuing people's lives is all just hype and some naive mass belief, then it doesn't matter if they die in some 'uncreative', homicidal way, right...?
by TurncoatPeople aren't anything special, so why bother?
There's a certain thrill in breaking the law. Mind you, I'm not claiming to have murdered anyone outside my own mind, but I know what it means to feel that hunger for the hunt. To want it, to crave it, to need the kill.
Why not strive to be more than a mere murderer when you could be the best? Why not use it as your path to immortality?
A "mere murderer". You make it sound so plain and mundane and, maybe to you, a "mere murderer" is exactly that. And that's fine, you can think that, but I don't see it that way. Murder obviously has a lot more significance to me. So, you and I are just going to have to agree to disagree.
Why not? You could even instigate said person to become violent and murder by proxy. Can you imagine it, knowing a person died and someone's mind is that much more shattered? It's like a two-for-one deal.
I've considered that, but if there is any killing to be done, I'd much rather do it myself.
Until they're dead. Being kept alive can stretch the torture, while dying is peaceful once the pain fades. Killing them is letting them off easy.
I don't care about their life other than to end it in any way I choose. Torture is merely foreplay. Keeping someone alive for too long would bore me.
People will accept some twisted shit like it's poetry if it's done right, it's one of the many paths to fame. Surely you can see how that could be entertaining within itself, you've written multiple blogs on the topic.
I only have one blog and it's not about seeking fame. It's about expressing my inner desires, my homicidal urges.
Imagine if people read them and actually found value in it, saw it as priceless, maybe even create a string of copycats? There's so much more than can be done than appeasing a carnal desire, it could be made into something breathtaking, glorious.
Why not both - give in to my carnal desires and give them immortality through the written word or some other form of artistic expression. You think that thought hasn't already occurred to me? It would hold more appeal knowing the 'art' is based on fact. Wouldn't you agree?
Which challenge though? What boundaries and limits? Getting away with it from whom? Just the law and surrounding pedestrians?
Yes, why not. Challenging the law is appealing in itself.
If it ceased being challenging, would you apply handicaps onto yourself to make it carry the rush it once did?
No, not likely. It would just lose it's appeal and I would seek other avenues for excitement.
Murder isn't the only thing that interests me.
What's the big deal about taking a life from someone beyond the shock others attach to the topic? Wouldn't it be more fun to watch them suffer?
Well, of course, but watching someone suffer is only appealing for so long. Then it's just boring.
I guess what I'm asking is what within the murder makes it worth it beyond adrenaline? Is it watching their expression leave their eyes? Is it the struggle leading up to it? What's the appeal for you specifically within your choice of passion? It can't just be an adrenaline high you desire from the challenge, rush, and risk, as otherwise you'd just seek other outlets. What makes murder specifically the ultimate goal?
I find death fascinating. Well, not death as such, but the process of dying. It's something that has fascinated me since childhood.
I like watching things die. There's just something about ending a life that holds appeal to me. In a way, it's like playing God. It's a powerful feeling. Of course, I'm not really a God. I'm aware it's an illusion, but that doesn't make the power any less desirable.
That's not to say that I feel powerless unless I can kill someone. Power can be felt in all kinds of ways. I think life itself is a powerful thing. Thus, the destruction of it is also powerful.
I know you'll consider that 'hype' as well, but to me, it's more than that. Murder is not just about ending a life. It's about taking risks and creating a challenge. It's about feeling alive and a sense of omnipotence, if only for a brief moment in time.