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Myers Briggs

From what I understand, sociopaths/ psychopaths can feel contentment and roller coaster thrills with the right stimulus (like an actual roller coaster or a car crash) but even that response, which some feelerz experience in its most intense form, as fear, is felt to a lesser degree by 'pathy people. They describe it as smthg closer to a scary movie feeling. Mildly startled, but in a fun, nearly happy sort of way.

^ That sounds close enough to happiness for my definition. It's not joy, exuberance or ecstasy, and it's far from love. But I'd say a good percentage of the paths I've met can feel "happy" (ish.)

Love =/= entertainment. It's an intense physiological sensation that's very close to an opiate high. There's no mistaking it. If you're not sure whether you've felt it or not, you haven't felt it.

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And you don't know for certain they can't. How do you know neurotypicals can feel love? You don't, you just believe their words.

Are you trying to say all psychopaths are like you? Sorry to disappoint you, but they're not.

 

Following the definition given by you, love is a strong form of affection. What is affection? 'A gentle feeling of fondness or liking'. To say one cannot feel love, then, would mean they cannot like anyone. We all know that isn't true.

If you like someone, they make you happy. You generally try to make them happy, for whatever reason. Love is a strong form of that, according to your dictionary. So, my example of expression was perfectly fine.

As I said, there's no such thing as a selfless/altruistic act. Everything everyone does is for themselves, their own benefit.

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I wouldn't know beyond an outside perspective.

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Never said love is entertainment, but to be in love with someone (assuming love exists), entertainment is surely a section of it.

An empath/neurotypical can't explain love further that happiness, either, so I don't know how people are expecting someone without empathy to explain it >.>

For one, a lot of people with empathy believe you 'fall' into love, and love is blind. I don't think that's love. I think you walk into love, eyes wide open. Love is seeing all those flaws one has, yet choosing to be with them despite those flaws, and accepting your own flaws in the process.

Best I can explain it.

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Of course love and like aren't the same, for love is a strong form of like.

 

So you believe because you have never/can't ever feel love, others without empathy can't? Again, not everyone is the same as you.

 

Wow. Ok, so we went from you arguing psychopaths can't feel love, to no one feeling love, so if no one feels love because it does not exist, why has this conversation been going for so long..? There's no point to either side if love truly does not exist, so what're you even debating?

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Nice flash editing.

I think you walk into love, eyes wide open. Love is seeing all those flaws one has, yet choosing to be with them despite those flaws, and accepting your own flaws in the process.

How could you say this was an act of love, then?

One might buy their partner a gift when they're down, not because it makes them feel good when they do good, but because when their partner is happy, they can make the psychopath more happy, and when their partner is down, the partner isn't enjoyable to be around. Crappy example but ye.

In this crappy example, the psychopath does not accept the fact that his partner could be boring, so they must keep that Debbie Downer up with gifts and such.

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by Phoelyss

Following the definition given by you, love is a strong form of affection. What is affection? 'A gentle feeling of fondness or liking'. To say one cannot feel love, then, would mean they cannot like anyone. We all know that isn't true.

Love and like are not the same thing though. I can like things, but I don't feel any kind of affectionate love for them.

 

If you like someone, they make you happy. You generally try to make them happy, for whatever reason.

I don't like people unless I'm benefiting from them in some way, financially for example.

If I want to keep them happy, then it's only to keep getting money off them. Not because I actually care about their happiness.

(I rarely feel happiness. What I feel is a sense of contentment, which is more of a neutral feeling, but let's assume that means 'happy')

 

As I said, there's no such thing as a selfless/altruistic act. Everything everyone does is for themselves, their own benefit.

 I agree with that. So, how then can love even exist?

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You are now generalizing that people with empathy are blind to flaws. Okay.

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'A lot of people with empathy'

Never said all.

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Maybe for people who have no shame, lol. Coming from an individual who claims to not feel empathy, you sure like to wear contradictions as a badge.

You should really learn the difference between gimmick and true feeling.

There's no way someone who actually felt love would do that for vanity fair. Selfless acts are usually othercentric. If there's a hint of ulterior motive, it stops being selfless.

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