seems wahoo was right
Well this escalated quickly. I think your main problem was that you just know how to "make love", have you ever fucked anyone whom you were not in love with?
It seems that for your wife fucking is just something that she does for pleasure not for love. You on the other hand need feelings, so just bear that in mind and give yourself and your wife some time.
You went running to the fucking therapist like a big pussy before you even tried to deal with the shit yourself. You told a stranger how you felt and your wife felt exposed, and she felt guilty for hurting you (she shouldn't, because you were both there if you had problems with what she was doing you should have said so when the other guy was fucking her, they didn't force you.), but as the fault isn't hers she is now blaming you for making her feel guilty about something you BOTH went along with in the first place.
My tip is if you are gonna get drunk and fuck shit up and then wine about it just don't drink and party with "friends" you don't really know. Just use this as a way to get closer to your wife and to man up, because life is like that, you fuck shit up and then rebuild the fucking puzzle.
Oh, I am very competitive- and I usually win. But you didn't say I was competitive in general, you thanked me disingenuously for "getting all competitive about it- and the only way in which your poor syntax made sense at all is in reference to my response to your post. But don't worry about it. Not everyone is capable of expressing themselves coherently, so I won't shred you. Now, can I get another disingenuous "thanks"? :D
I'll offer a sincere thank you, then. :)
"Fumbling attempt at manipulating" tho? lol. I was just trying not to reveal the entire hand before I'd played it.
No matter. Pink's right. I don't have enough invested in this farce with the troll to keep it going. Dude can go jerk off without my help.
XD
...And being direct with me, rather than making ambiguous statements about my competitive nature, and asking misleading questions about my thoughts on "the patriarchy", in a fumbling attempt to manipulate a troll, is a much more effective way of ensuring that I communicate with you, as opposed to attacking you. That said, good rebuttal. :)
Nah. My syntax gets sloppy when I have to explain the usual information gathering strategies I use on suspected trolls to somebody whose agenda wrt said troll appears to be different from mine.
"It" referred to the topic and the OP's emotional outburst, which I have no desire to compete with bc I'm still pretty sure it's a joke. Ofc going on about "shredding" the guy may be the tack you use to gather information.
I'm more than capable of expressing myself coherently. No worries at all. I don't believe you could shred me if you wanted to, considering the fact that we're miles, if not countries apart typing words on a keyboard and know jack shit about each other.
See? There's no need to make assumptions about my memory and my ability to communicate. Asking me directly to clarify previous statements is a more effective means of "getting what you want" (if clarification is actually what you want.) :D
by OwenFirst of all, I'm not a sociopath, but I lurk here sometimes and I'd really apreciate your advise.
We recently moved to a new town and we only have a couple friends and we'd known this couple for about a year, and we'd hung out with them maybe five or six times. I'll call them Harry and Sally. Last night we decided to go sing karaoke at a bar with Harry and Sally and at about 1a.m., when we were all lit, the Harry said he and Sally enjoy "extracurricular activities" and asked me if we'd like to partake. I told him my wife and I like to try new things and might be interested, but it's something we'd have to talk about sober.
We took a cab back to our place, where they'd planned to stay since the beginning of the night. It went normal enough at first, we made drinks, popped popcorn, etc. But Sally was drunk and a wild women. All pretenses of them being swingers and us not, and of my wife not knowing - were out the window. Sally was talking about how much she loves sucking cock and whatnot. Now, my wife likes women, and when they first brought it up I stayed quiet - I was ok with doing it but I wanted my wife to say so. She told Sally she wants her but doesn't care about the boys, and asked to go to the bedroom. Sally said right here is more fun and they started making out and taking off each others clothes. Harry and I were sitting on the floor. I was watching and enjoying it. Sally told Harry to take off his clothes, he started to, I looked at my wife, she nodded for me to do the same. She looked confident and unafraid. They "fell" on the floor (Sally was trying to bring the party to everyone). Then we moved to the bedroom.
My wife was kissing all over Sally. I got beneath my wife and started eating her out. Sally started giving me head, my wife started giving Harry head, and it had started, we were all having fun. It was exciting. Then, and I'm not exactly sure of the logistical details, Harry is having sex with my wife. Neither Sally and I are touching them. I go soft, and feel scared, but my wife is enjoying herself, so I try to show Sally a good time too. I'm not having fun anymore. I'm trying not to look at them and focus on Sally. She can see it in my face, "You want your wife don't you." I do. But do nothing. Harry finishes but the night continues without skipping a beat. I'm doing this all wrong now. I can only get hard for my wife, then not at all. But I stagger on. Later I'm fore playing with Sally and my wife and Harry are doing the same, behind and perpendicular to me at the head of the bed. I'm still distracted, soft. I hear my wife, "Fuck me. Please fuck me." Then I can feel them going behind me.
My heart is breaking, Sally is kind of oblivious. I'm sucking her nipples, trying to get in the spirit, but eventually I just kind of collapse on her. I push my face up against hers hard, cheek to cheek and up against her neck, the same way I do when I feel a lot of love for my wife. I kiss her desperately, the way I do when I'm feeling passionate for my wife. But she doesn't kiss like my wife or feel like my wife. I want so much for Sally to make me feel better with her presence, make me feel safe and loved the way my wife does; because my wife is fucking someone behind me and I can feel her body getting thrusted back and fourth against my feet and I can hear her moans. But Sally can't make me feel better that way. I apologize to Sally and cling to her tight. I'm going to cry. I apologize to Sally for my limp dick. She's kind. Sally is a wonderful, kind woman really. I whisper, "This is hurting me. I'm scared." "Its hurting you?" "I'll remember whats happening right now forever." She tells me I'm a good man and that I'm sweet, then gets up and whispers something to Harry. They make haste to the guest bedroom. I tell my wife I'm sorry, and that I never expected that to happen. I didn't know I'd react that way. She says its ok and that I need to fuck her to get it out of my head. She's drunk. She doesn't realize I'm in a lot of pain. I lay on the ground. I can't be in that spot. She keeps telling me to go up there and I say I can't right now. She just kept saying to come up there and fuck her.
I got up and went to the store to buy a pack of cigarettes. I quit three weeks ago. : (
I sat on the porch smoking them until Harry and Sally woke up. Harry had to be somewhere early. I called my best friend, he lives far away, over and over but he didn't pick up. I texted him "Please pick up. I need ya right now man." "Please pick up." "Please help me." I relived the painful moments over and over. I wondered if things would ever be the same. Are we going to get a divorce. Was he better at sex than me. Did he make her come harder. Does she still love me? I want to burn that bed. I'll never do karaoke again. I want to shave my head. Will I still love her? Bash my head against the wall. Burn the whole fucking house down.I want to lay down and die. All kinds of irrational and confused thoughts. I went upstairs to talk to my wife. She still wasn't with it enough to realize I was in trouble, but Harry and Sally did. When I came out they had left, they must've heard me. I jumped in the car and found them about two blocks away, walking back to the bar. I picked them up. It was awkward but not too bad. I like them a lot and they are good people. I was able to be a little funny, and make sure they didn't feel too bad. I don't feel like I can be friends with them anymore though.
I went up stairs and my wife was starting to understand. She didn't even realize Sally and I didn't actually fuck. My wife told me I needed to fuck her. Show me she's mine. It was hard and angry sex. It didn't make me feel better. We talked about things a bit more. I went back and forth from reasonable, rational conversation about what happened, to catatonic hurt, with my face in my hands seeing Harry fuck her in my mind, hearing her beg him for it, feeling like the life had gone out of me.
I asked my wife, if I could've handled it, if I could handle it, was it something that she would want to keep doing. She said yes. It was fun.
I don't know where to put these images of her. I don't know what to do with these feelings. I'm scared for what will happen to us. We love each other very much, but my heart keeps getting broken over and over. I can't distract myself. I can't put things in a perspective that doesn't hurt. I know no ones to blame and no one did anything wrong per se. But it won't stop flashing into my head and crushing me and emptying me out. I can't get it to stop.
What did I do to us? I feel like its all my fault somehow. What do I do now? Help me understand this
First of all I'd like to apologize for some of the more juvenile responses you've gotten. You shouldn't believe everyone who joins this site is actually a sociopath, and furthermore most sociopaths aren't blatant assholes. We generally like a more subtle approach and we do so most often out of boredom and in a way that provides us challenge. I'd ALMOST argue that this anonymous online approach would get you a nicer side of a real sociopath as we have no face-value to gain or lose here. As to your problem:
Bluntly, you're a bit of an idiot. You're insecure and jealous and yet you keep putting yourself in the same situation. This has been said by others and they are not wrong, don't let the sting of the jab make you ignore the truth behind the pain. You and your wife has issues, she seems not to care for monogamy, you do. That's really something you should figure out before marrying someone, just by the way.
I'm not going to tell you what's right or wrong or what will solve your dilemma because nobody can figure that out but you. I will tell you where you stand from an unemotional point of view since I believe that's the real reason you are here. Morally? Fuck morals they are a fabrication. Logically? You have an obligation to your wife to tell her the truth that you don't enjoy this, you don't think you ever will, and that doing so will only make you miserable. Don't ever try to force change when it hurts, what a fool's errand... seriously. I'm baffled by your stubbornness, and by that I mean the fact that you're even questioning yourself after the result. Now why do I say logically it's an obligation? Because "empath", real love isn't when you try to make someone happy, it's when you let them see the truest form of yourself and they do the same for you and it naturally creates immense joy to share your lives together. It's a very rare thing indeed. Don't hide how much you didn't enjoy it for her sake, don't try to force yourself to endure or like it for her sake, as doing so would be to lie to yourself and therefore being untrue to her.
Take charge of your life and your happiness and start being honest. Stop running to online forums to seek help over shit you already know. It shouldn't take a sociopath to tell you that you're being childish and fearful. It is not the past that hurts you, but your repression of the past and your unwillingness to move forward. Take action, whatever action(s) you need to to put it behind you. Try telling her the things you told us. (duh)