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by Edvard

First of all, I merely gave a natural/evolution theory explanation of what Johnnyboy mentioned as "proof" for his beliefs. I explained how having those feelings helped individuals survive better over time, so we kept that. It's smth ingrained in our subconscious, the result of hundreds of thousands of years of natural conditioning. We are animals at our core, if we're talking "proof" then the theory of evolution has plenty of that.

 

 

It's amazing how you seem to forget calling me out then go on telling me about things I watched you do myself in these pages.

Also. "The theory of evolution has no proof, because it is a theory." There are no cases of finding the missing links between human and monkey bones.

I'd also like to remind you how it is you, whose beliefs are based on what your told.

 

 

 

Truth is that almost everything has a plausible explanation that doesn't have anything to do with the supernatural, without aliens or even gods mixed into it. I believe there's a reason behind this. Faith with proof is hardly faith. Those who claim they have external/concrete reasons to believe in the supernatural are doing more harm than good, because they end up looking ignorant and ridiculous.

 

 

I can see from your perspective, those with reasoning to believe these things look ridiculous, but not ignorant. Such experiences cannot be proven and in turn, it's people like you who are ignorant.

Looking ridiculous only matters if we seem so to a higher consciousness. It's why we never feel ashamed before the dog, while it is the dog who is prone to feeling shame before us. I'm comfortable even with what I think I know, you're nothing like I am. You are afraid of what others think of you.

 

 

 

Over and over again the religious or superstitious tried to promote and feed people their own interpretations of material things, which were proven wrong again and again. Like the Earth being the center of the Universe, or that it doesn't move. This is the reason why so many people now hate on the church and religions in general, because some people, instead of concerning themselves with only what belongs to the spiritual, believed they could explain more than they had really could about the physical world, and tried to force their views and ultimately their control on people who knew better.

 

 

At my level, popular religion surely is corrupt and a poor misleading practice. Early religion had it's place in government, and science. The Bible itself makes no mention of the world being flat, and surely its easier for the scientific communities to say religion said the world was flat, and science simply had no idea at the time. Right.

 

 

I saw how gullible and not very intelligent you are in reality, and how easily you swollow just about anything, no matter how far fetched. You say you believe the stuff you do because of questionable 'proof' like pictures of UFOs, and disbelieve things which are pretty much proven or WAY more likely to be true.

 

 

I never believed in a UFO because of a picture of one. I don't recall having a picture of one to show to anyone calling it proof.

And sure, I don't think we'll ever get something from nothing. I know my body and all surroundings is comprised of something. To me this being an accident is unlikely. 

 

 

As I already told you in our last talk about this, your beliefs only end up looking stupid and ignorant. It's people like you, who claim all sorts of random shit like how cancer can be cured by eating raw food or that the devil is an alien, that do most harm to spiritual beliefs in my opinion.

 

 

Have you done the research to disprove this cure for cancer ? Of course not.

And regardless if one believes in the devil or not, by myth or by nature, he physically is not from around here nor is he a human being.

 

 

Also, you know shit about my faith, except that I'm not an atheist. My beliefs are none of your business.

 

 

I already told you how you're afraid to express your true beliefs, so when you get all defensive about it while criticizing my beliefs, well, it works for me.

 

 

They give me strength in times I need it, their effect is personal enough that they can't be proven to anyone, nor do I want to prove them in the first place. You'd be surprised to know that almost everyone who does what I do has some form of faith or another.

 

 

When I judge you, I don't see why any force you believe in, would think you deserve to be enabled. You do after all conceal your beliefs while taking jabs at it in others. 

 

 

And own your attacks when you make them.

 

 

But it was you who attacked -_- And to be honest, I'm not even fighting here. I'm just pointing out some of your ways so you can either improve, or pretend to be something else if you happen to notice your about to play on error again.

 

 

I have no problem with going "ad homine" and telling you I'd love to make you spit your teeth on the floor, since I openly dislike you. That's being honest and not a hypocritical bastard. You, on the other hand, have the nerve to call yourself my friend, because your ego needs you to see yourself as some generous, spiritually superior creature, which you're not. You're just a dumb arrogant sack of shit.

 

The real reason why I say I'm the best friend you have here, is because I'm the only one addressing your flaws. In the future you'll look back and see how much of yourself has been invested in those who do not, and never will love you, nor will they cheat with you or visit you, or fuck you, or whatever you wish out of it.

You are angry, insecure, and submissive to those who will discard you. You point fingers and criticize others, attempting to put them in a place where you yourself are afraid to be. Ed, my response to you is your own reflection.

Do I think I'm superior to you ? Of course I do. You are immature, impulsive, sub servant to nasty folks, fear based, and insecure. The difference between you and I in name calling, is when I call you a tool, I do it based on your actual performance, while you just randomly call me names that has nothing to do with me.

My supremacy toward you, is actually your doing, which is why I urge you to grow.

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"What you see as weight on his shoulders, are things he put there himself. He did after all strike first, as always."
Perhaps you may see it that way related to yourself, but many just had a chip on their shoulder and went toward an obvious target to make a name for themselves (some because of his avatar alone). Clearly you don't need to make a name for yourself, but you are still a part of his rogues' gallery, easily lumped in with the others who aim to affect him as well.


"For someone who is open to the idea you could be wrong, you're quite detailed in upholding your unsure state of being."
Exactly. I have conviction related to what I see as an Occam's Razor perspective on life, that every belief we carry is merely that, belief, and that if there is a greater answer out there, the odds are favorable that people are on the wrong track. I defend it strongly because, to me, it's one of the few things that is worth defending, the idea that we don't really know, and that not knowing isn't an excuse to go for half-baked answers. If I happen to be proven wrong in terms that are enough to change my perspective, then my views will change, but making that shift be an easy one would be a disservice to myself.

Until such a time, Nihilism is my go to answer, for it's what currently makes the most sense to me. If I happen to be wrong, it'd just prove that this world's less boring and pointless than I gave credit.


"With that in mind, I'm sure you'll continue to turn a blind eye toward the fact Edvard called me out here."
He said one thing this time, and it was a joke at that. People have fun poked at them all the time in this place without responding so vibrantly. You however took the bait and ran with it, then had the nerve to disguise it as some sort of assistance, assistance he hasn't even asked for.

You often refer to a day when his eyes will open, why not wait until that time comes to him on his own? I'm sure he more than knows by now that you'll be there to "show him the way" if such a need ever sprung upon him.


"The more you categorize and label me the way you do, is the more unintelligent you'll seem to those who are observant."
You do admittedly carry labels in my eyes, as well as in the eyes of others, but the reason is because of a perceivable obviousness as opposed to some sort of sheep mentality or the spread agenda of another. I, and many others, have formed the opinions we have about people here from our own conjecture, and just because there happens to be a pattern among those opinions does not mean it was the byproduct of collaboration. If anything, other people feeling similarly was what made me question if the opinions were truly mine or an unintended echo of others, but with time I've seen that it is not some conformity that has me seeing things as I do.

There's people who make bigger fools out of themselves that still have better PR somehow. Why can't you just let Ed be Ed instead of pushing some sort of crusade?

I wonder who here is "observant" in the way you imagine it?


"Now don't take that as me trying to offend you, it's written and played out in these very pages."
That's fine.

 
"The uneducated part is exaggerated in your version. Ed in my perspective has displayed some intelligence while under my review. For me to say his is uneducated in his faith, doesn't mean one should cry about how I said so and so is uneducated, as though I said he is uneducated in general."
...my original statement said it was about his faith. I suppose I could edit in a "of his faith" if it'll make things more clear for you, but I figured you'd have remembered what was said but a few posts ago.

I'll edit it after this is posted~


"The security part is wrong in your version. In my version it's, insecurity."
Insecurity is the lack of security. This appears to be nothing more than an evasive nitpick.


"you shouldn't complain or intervene while I'm undergoing my processes with Ed."
Oh yes, because he totally asked for you to step in for this "process" as you call it.

If anything, his statement of "appreciating it" has him appear to be more favorable toward my answers than yours. I wonder why that is..?


"It's a disservice to him and yourself."
According to who again?

Oh right, just you. I think I can live with that.

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by Spatial Mind

 

As I already told you in our last talk about this, your beliefs only end up looking stupid and ignorant. It's people like you, who claim all sorts of random shit like how cancer can be cured by eating raw food or that the devil is an alien, that do most harm to spiritual beliefs in my opinion.

 

 

Have you done the research to disprove this cure for cancer ? Of course not.

 

by Spatial Mind

 

by Gypsy

 

by Spatial Mind

They aren't talking about the feeling of being visited by the departed here.

 I've heard of many NDEs involving departed relatives, so it's the same kind of thing. 

All my point was that, although I'm skeptical, if these beliefs make people happy then there is no problem. I don't understand why people get so irate about religious beliefs and life after death type stuff. Unlike the 'raw food can cure cancer' crap, these beliefs aren't doing anyone any harm. 

 

Why do you not believe raw food can cure cancer ? Every single case of cancer recovery dumbfounds doctors, and those same cases proclaim healthy dieting habits.

You have to understand, all the junk food you see on TV is on the line here, which is why your trusty news source doesn't publish materials that goes against the WTO's wishes, which the FDA is complaint to.

 I know it's pointless to argue this as you've proved time and again you're immune to all arguments of science, logic and common sense......

But, yet again, have you done the research to prove that raw food does cure cancer?? As I've said before, if you're the one making the claim then the burden of proof is on you to support it, not for others to disprove it.

I agree that the risks in eating a lot of junk food are probably greater than TV etc would have you believe, but where did you make the huge leap to believing cancer can be cured by diet alone?

If you're one of those arseholes who goes around telling people to stop taking this nasty medicine that the doctor gave them and try these herbal supplements instead then you are, to use your language, doing the devils work.

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Your self important arrogant narcissistic bullshit never fails to disgust me Tony.

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 I'm too rough for you. You know Ed, you do it to yourself by calling me the way you do. You needn't request anything of me to solve the issues you have on me.

Back to work I go.

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lol! i agree with tony :D

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"I'm too rough for you."
Kinky.

"You know Ed, you do it to yourself by calling me the way you do."
Apparently his one comment must have been the match, as your response was quite disproportionate compared to his joke.

Almost sounds rapist-y. Maybe thesugargirl was on point with her comment here.

"You needn't request anything of me to solve the issues you have on me."
What has he requested of you exactly?

"Back to work I go."

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I've had one. All that happens is you get high as fuck because your brain releases a shitload of dopamine and serotonin. It's like taking MDMA and cocaine at the same time and for some reason (probably because you're about to die) there are no negative consequences such as downers afterward (assuming that you survive, which I did).

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I'm happy to hear that you were okay!

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Thanks. I didn't suffer any negative consequences from it. Actually, I quite enjoyed getting high (though I didn't actually understand what "high" was at the time).

With regards to spiritual experiences, I remember none other than a feeling of annoyance that I wouldn't get to become a doctor. I remember understanding that this body could no longer serve me and that I "would have to come back and start all over again." I've since considered reincarnation a serious possibility, but I won't be devoting myself to Buddhism or Hinduism anytime soon (I'm too busy for religion. Religion can wait for me!).

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