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by Daddy

If it is important that others see you as generous, then to maintain that perception you give more. This can in many ways be reinforced by being labeled through social validation. You got kudos for being good, this makes you feel good

I can't relate to that. I don't even donate to charity, let alone be generous to the people I know.

I don't do 'good' things because it makes me feel good. If I do anything for someone, it's because I know I'm getting something in return.

Receiving "kudos" as you call it, doesn't affect me one way or the other.

 

 

I have many ideals that I choose to direct my course. My own commandments and beliefs.

1. To always push myself to learn and be smarter than I was yesterday.

2. To always push myself physically and be stronger than I was yesterday.

3. To have no patience for superstition, gullibility, and willful ignorance

4. To not waste my time, but use it wisely

5. To guide others not for their sake, but because it makes me a better leader.

6. To care for those that I believe deserve my protection

7. To praise strength and disdain weakness in both myself and others, in order to strengthen the group

8. To praise honesty (true ugly honesty) because it can be exploited

9. To develop my abilities in manipulating other people and my environment

10. To trust only what is in my power to manipulate.

11. To fight for the freedoms in my nations constitution. To fight for my brothers that stand beside me.

I'm sure I have more, but those are the ones that come to mind... and 10 sounds like a good number of commandments to have. ;)

 For some reason I find this amusing. You claim to be a psychopath, yet live by some type of code.

I personally just live each day as it comes and each moment as it arises. I have no morals, no loyalties, no set of ideals or beliefs. I live purely for the moment and whatever decisions I make are based on whatever the circumstances are at the time.

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...he did say "if". It's clear that you don't need others to see you as generous, online at least.


"For some reason I find this amusing. You claim to be a psychopath, yet live by some type of code.

I personally just live each day as it comes and each moment as it arises.I have no morals, no loyalties, no set of ideals or beliefs. I live purely for the moment and whatever decisions I make are based on whatever the circumstances are at the time."

Supposedly there's subtypes. Reputation-defending for example might try to have a code.

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by Turncoat

It's clear that you don't need others to see you as generous, online at least.

Or off the net.

 

"For some reason I find this amusing. You claim to be a psychopath, yet live by some type of code.

I personally just live each day as it comes and each moment as it arises.I have no morals, no loyalties, no set of ideals or beliefs. I live purely for the moment and whatever decisions I make are based on whatever the circumstances are at the time."

Supposedly there's subtypes. Reputation-defending for example might try to have a code.

 True, but there's also the fact that he's more emotional and empathetic than a psychopath.

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When one looks only at a surface meaning, they receive only a surface answer.

You're a prisoner in platos cave...

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I can't relate to that. I don't even donate to charity, let alone be generous to the people I know. Idon't do 'good' things because it makes me feel good. If I do anything for someone, it's because I know I'm getting something in return. Receiving "kudos" as you call it, doesn't affect me one way or the other.

You appear to have missed my point entirely... yet again. Are you really this stupid or are you trolling? sometimes I just can't tell.

For some reason I find this amusing. You claim to be a psychopath, yet live by some type of code.

I live a code that ensures I am successful, in spite of my true nature. Without regulation I would be nothing more than a stupid animal and while you are clearly ok with that life, having no will or drive to do anything with yours. I intend to use mine to do much more. Because there is life to be lived, that you can't live hiding in that shithole you call a home. I could be you, but I'm better than you. I'm better than you for one reason.

                                                              The things I choose to believe.

Other than that, I'm not better than a filthy mutt on the side of the road. Our beliefs are all that separate us.

My beliefs give me a drive, a will to push forward, a vision for everything I can have. Things you will never even fathom... Because you waste yourself, because you accept that you are a low functioning psychopath and you think you deserve that fate for something you've done... You're punishing yourself and you're blind... because looking at the truth hurts you too much.

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You're forgetting, Daddy, that you're just another ant on the ant hill. You're no better than me or anyone else here.

I'm pretty sure you've never done anything that makes you genuinely valuable to humanity. You're just another slave to society.

Your beliefs are only meaningful to you alone. They don't make you anymore valuable as a human being. If you happened to die, there'll be plenty of other insignificant people to take your place.

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by Daddy

You have a very rudimentary understanding of the human mind and how it works and an even more basic understanding of psychopathy.

1. Self Centered does not mean that you care only for yourself. The fact of the matter is that everyone is self centered. We are all (without exception) driven by our own wants, more over there is no such thing as a selfless act. But this does not mean that our belief systems do not play a factor in this. Your beliefs have an integral part in how you manifest your selfishness. If it is important that others see you as generous, then to maintain that perception you give more. This can in many ways be reinforced by being labeled through social validation. You got kudos for being good, this makes you feel good, therefor this behavior is reinforced not because you want to give things away. But because you want to be socially validated and accepted.

As to how this applies to me. I am selfish, just like you. But I do carry beliefs that would direct my selfishness. I have in myself developed a since of pride in what I do. I have created a picture of who I believe myself to be. For me to feel good, I need to uphold this image, to satisfy that selfish want, I would depending on circumstances allow myself to suffer for that perception (to a degree) which is why I train so hard it literally hurts. Training increases my self perception, it hurts but my selfish want for it pushes me toward it. It may seem counter intuitive but the behaviors we reward through our belief systems direct our selfishness.

I have many ideals that I choose to direct my course. My own commandments and beliefs.

1. To always push myself to learn and be smarter than I was yesterday.

2. To always push myself physically and be stronger than I was yesterday.

3. To have no patience for superstition, gullibility, and willful ignorance

4. To not waste my time, but use it wisely

5. To guide others not for their sake, but because it makes me a better leader.

6. To care for those that I believe deserve my protection

7. To praise strength and disdain weakness in both myself and others, in order to strengthen the group

8. To praise honesty (true ugly honesty) because it can be exploited

9. To develop my abilities in manipulating other people and my environment

10. To trust only what is in my power to manipulate.

11. To fight for the freedoms in my nations constitution. To fight for my brothers that stand beside me.

I'm sure I have more, but those are the ones that come to mind... and 10 sounds like a good number of commandments to have. ;)

 

 Holy shit Jay, you're like a fucking politician. You use a lot of words and dance around the fucking point. I pointed out sociopaths are individualistic/selfish and you went into this philosophical blahblah about how everyone is, even the saintliest of people, because they want to maintain this image of themselves etc etc. I didn't mean self-centered in that sense, I meant it in the usual, normal sense, like someone who'd throw others under the bus in a second for their own well being/gain. Ofc people are the way they are because they have different personal values which make them "feel better" if they keep, but in the end there still are those who include being generous/ loyal to others in their code of morals/attitude and those who don't. That is determined by the personality/emotional structure of each person. Psychopaths don't include those, even docs use the same terms I used to describe that aspect of psychopathy/aspd. Using them to describe everyone on the fucking planet is kinda pointless.

So yeah, you can argue that someone could hand a pair of gloves to a kid in the cold because they feel "bad" for the kid, and they dislike feeling bad, so the act is selfish, but the point is that a psychopath wouldn't feel bad in the first place, so he wouldn't part with their own gloves for that reason. That was the difference I pointed out, ffs.

I didn't ask for your Dexter moral code, although it's great that you have one and I think those are some pretty good guidelines to go by. The last one completely crosses you off the sociopath list imo. 

 

by Daddy

I live a code that ensures I am successful, in spite of my true nature. Without regulation I would be nothing more than a stupid animal and while you are clearly ok with that life, having no will or drive to do anything with yours. I intend to use mine to do much more. Because there is life to be lived, that you can't live hiding in that shithole you call a home. I could be you, but I'm better than you. I'm better than you for one reason.

My beliefs give me a drive, a will to push forward, a vision for everything I can have.

 I mean, "11. To fight for the freedoms in my nations constitution. To fight for my brothers that stand beside me." Why the hell would a psychopath consider that something "honorable", or something that would help him in life.

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"I'm pretty sure you've never done anything that makes you genuinely valuable to humanity. You're just another slave to society.Your beliefs are only meaningful to you alone. They don't make you anymore valuable as a human being. If you happened to die, there'll be plenty of other insignificant people to take your place."

No.

Your in your current situation because of your choices. When I look at my car, my job, all of material possessions I see their existance as direct result of my actions. I envisioned all of this and then achieved it through my will. There hasn't been anything I couldn't achieve if I wanted it enough. I have no doubt I'm destined to have my actions and achievements archived in the annals of history. I expect that from myself. Narcissism in the right circumstances breeds an unrivaled ambition that has time and time again placed average people into prominent roles in power as well as history. I am afraid of dying yes, but that is only because my true potential will be lost. It would be symbolic of a ember, fading away in a stack of straw. My hands have shaped my surroundings as they will pave a successful way for my future. 

Everyone has these opportunities,  it's just that you succumb to your temptations before you can reach your goals. Narcissistic people don't have that problem. Its not possible when your only temptation is success. 

 

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Your in your current situation because of your choices. When I look at my car, my job, all of material possessions I see their existance as direct result of my actions. I envisioned all of this and then achieved it through my will. There hasn't been anything I couldn't achieve if I wanted it enough. I have no doubt I'm destined to have my actions and achievements archived in the annals of history. I expect that from myself. Narcissism in the right circumstances breeds an unrivaled ambition that has time and time again placed average people into prominent roles in power as well as history. I am afraid of dying yes, but that is only because my true potential will be lost. It would be symbolic of a ember, fading away in a stack of straw. My hands have shaped my surroundings as they will pave a successful way for my future.

 

System I know you dont like me and I dont care.

But what you wrote there was very good. I feel the same way. Except that I only take from society. I have nothing to give back.

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