Message Turncoat in a DM to get moderator attention

Users Online(? lurkers):
Posts: 1081
"Relative" views of Evil, or Hell "not existing"

What about your consent.

Isnt it an absolute that you dont want things done against

Your consent, not unless you consented to submit or compromise

What would you call that general rule? An ethic? A natural law of human nature? Since you dont group it with manmade morals.

Do you call it the pleasure pain principle? 

Posts: 7645
"Relative" views of Evil, or Hell "not existing"

If someone does something to me without my consent, it's called an action and they will suffer the consequences of said action. Not because it's 'bad', but simply because I have a desire to protect myself from harm. Eliminating threats benefits my existence. Self-preservation is a natural instinct within us all.

I don't see why any action has to be labelled good or bad. You don't need a moral conscience to know if something is going to benefit you or be harmful to you. You simply need to be aware of it.

I'm fully aware of what is right and wrong according to the law, but even that doesn't matter unless I get caught.

Posts: 99
"Relative" views of Evil, or Hell "not existing"

 As a sadomasochist (yes, both, I know there are two concepts there), I always found it strange people thought hell was so bad, but groveling before the sky dictator was somehow a good way to spend eternity. I always thought "how pathetic?".

Now I realize it makes me different. I still like being both a sadist and a masochist. The adrenaline rush is intoxicating.

 

Posts: 80
"Relative" views of Evil, or Hell "not existing"

This is my favorite definition for evil, because it doesn't hint too much towards anything subjective or superstitious:

Causing ruin, injury or pain; harmful.

I could poke holes that definition, but it is one of the most concrete ways of looking at it.

 

 

Posts: 10218
"Relative" views of Evil, or Hell "not existing"

...I'd help you if I had a platform to even fathom your views, just for the fun of it. I love playing Devil's Advocate for shits and giggles, but I really don't see a place to look at your views objectively.

"Daddy's" views make more sense, save for: 

"Schizophrenia is the neurological manifestation of a belief that is compansating for some psychic need, the individual cannot function withen the realm of the objective reality, therefore they create their own to facilitate a sort of sanity that keeps them held together... The fragility only comes in when someone challenges their perception. This is the bases of all neurosis..."

It's a bit more complex than that. Paranoid Schizophrenia delusions for example make the world seem worse than it really is, not better, be it from the shift in behaviors, or the distracting strangely believable hallucinations. From my own experiences with it, I was wanting it to stop, as I was not happy to see it there. I'd rather in those cases escape the visions to see real life, not the other way around, as real life is simpler, calmer, peaceful. It's more like having your dreams overlay real life. Not all dreams are good.

As opposed to holding me together, it threatened to tear me apart.

Posts: 628
"Relative" views of Evil, or Hell "not existing"

Its entirely a matter of perception. Good and evil do not exist. Rudimentary, there is no good or evil on earth or the universe for that matter. Everything just is. It is a perception that frames reality. So good and evil is based on perception, therefore, The perception of evil is based on the one percieving it. If you percieve something as evil, then it is evil to YOU.

We can choose our own frame of reality or we can choose the follow the frame set by another in his/her perception of good/evil.

Having said that...

In Islamic Sharia Law, stoning to death a Women due to her infidelity is deemed as just and good. To me, in my frame of reality it is unjust and totally unnecessary.

Now is that due to the laws of my land (England, UK) which deem this punishment unjust and unnecessary or is it simpily due to MY own frame of reality which has been defined by my own beliefs/values or lack of for that matter?

Posts: 5426
"Relative" views of Evil, or Hell "not existing"

I thought dogs felt guilty too but some vet told me they're just upset because you'll be upset or angry with them.

Posts: 5426
"Relative" views of Evil, or Hell "not existing"

The thought that a masochist would enjoy hell is really hilarious. How do you know you'll still be a masochist after death? Dude, these things have to be taken seriously, the last thing you'll have to worry about in hell is getting some.

Posts: 1286
"Relative" views of Evil, or Hell "not existing"

 but as everyone in the bdsm world (and intelligence collection world) knows... everyone has limits... i doubt you've ever endured 24hours of straight abuse... let alone an eternity of it...

Posts: 99
"Relative" views of Evil, or Hell "not existing"

 

by Daddy

 but as everyone in the bdsm world (and intelligence collection world) knows... everyone has limits... i doubt you've ever endured 24hours of straight abuse... let alone an eternity of it...

 I was tortured until I blacked out and forgot who I was before... More like 21 years of straight abuse. Growing up, I never knew if I'd wake up the next morning. You learn to get used to it, and even like it. It's just not the same without it.

This site contains NSFW material. To view and use this site, you must be 18+ years of age.