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"Relative" views of Evil, or Hell "not existing"

Sorry man, that sucks. But do you really think you'd enjoy hell, dude? Hell is unpleasant by definition, what makes you think you'd experience the same kind of sensations there as you do here...

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Hi gang try this on for size

What is a meme? Information.

What is information? Logical or illogical.

What do animals have? Instincts.

What are instincts? Logic encoded into the brain of an animal to allow it to survive and evolve without thinking.

What are emotions? Logic encoded into humans to allow us to survive and evolve.

How are we different from animals?

We can think logically AND choose to ignore what our emotions are telling us.

What is the only way to apply value? Logic.

How do you determine a value? With mathematics.

What is mathematics? Logic.

True=Logical, Good=Logical, Moral=Logical, Love=Logical

False=Illogical, Evil=Illogical, Immoral=Illogical, Hate=Illogical

What is humor? The appreciation of the logical and the illogical.

What is an idea? Information.

What is everything in the universe made up of?Information.

What is evolution? Evolution is the change in the inherited characteristics of biological populations over successive generations.

What is a characteristic? Information.

What makes a heritable trait be carried on over time?It works and helps the organism to live.

What happens if the heritable trait is not logical and does not help the organism to survive? It ceases to be carried on and disappears.

How do we know if an idea is true(logical) or false(illogical)? It makes sense.

How does something make sense?It is logical.

What is common sense? The simplest most LOGICAL solution to a problem.

What is being creative? Having a good idea.

Can a good idea be so radical and new but amazingly simple at the same time, it makes you feel ridiculous for not having thought of it sooner? Yes.

How do we know if something is a good idea and will work? It is logical.

How do we know if something is a bad idea and will not work?By trying it and seeing if it works(is logical) or does not(is illogical).

What is a paradox?An argument that produces an inconsistency within logic or common sense.

What is sarcasm? What is irony?

To understand irony and sarcasm you need to think logically and also emotionally.

Can irony be funny?Yes.

Can sarcasm be funny?Yes.

Are both of these the opposite of what they seem to be?Yes.

Is humor the appreciation of logic and illogic?Yes.

What is the Big Bang?

An explosion of information that created the universe, an idea.

Do we know that it happened?Yes.

Can we prove that it happened?Yes.

Do we understand why it happened and how it happened?No.

Is it logical?Yes and no.

So what do we have to do?

CHOOSE.

Regards parker

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Hi Parker Yes hypothetically we all have free will. Developed enough we can choose ways that allow us to control our reactions to be logical.

However there are human limits that make us unique. I didnt choose to be born who I am and cant change my genetic race or my native language that biases my brain. You cant help how you think and feel that is inherently you. We cannot help whom we love, we just do. We can change how we respond but cant change other things set up.

People cant help being afraid or unable to forgive things that limit our choices and biases emotionally. Yes we can choose to ask for help to overcome. If some ppl arent ready for change they cant always help that. The script is written with lots of ppl taking turns going through these stages in an interconnected process. We dont control the timing. Even the changes we choose are scripted in.

 

 

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Hi Slimey (BTW you can use that cat avatar if you like. Im done with it and using my facebook. The lol cat link is posted in wilfuls story thread with the euthanized cat.)

Again dont mix the relative evil and pure negative evil energy/forces. These are two different contexts. Like arguing if punk rock is "real music" or noise which means relative vs. agreeing that it has notes so technically it can be shown to be music. Even tonesof our talking voices strung together are musical patterns. That is technical.

As for laws of justice or injustice if these are applied with unfirgiveness for judgment and punishment out of wrath imposed to invoke fear and not love of the law then this can be abused for evil

 

As Danielle said it destroys and brings injury and damage

On the other hand where laws are enforced with love not fear of truth but restorative justice with mercy then this corrects wrongs and restores good faith relations and order freely by respect for laws. So that is equal justice protecting all interests. The spirit of the law is different between retributive justice that is unforgiving and re s torative justice that is healing.

 

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Ha ha Ed is right. If you enjoy torture so much

That means youre in heaven. And the lack of stimulus

And pleasure would be hell. No wonder you come

Here to watch ppl beat each other up. If thats your idea of heaven.... 

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Hi em Thanks for your reply but ..... There is nothing hypothetical about free will. Everything is a choice, everyone is responsible for every action they take in their life except one - being born. Excuses are for people who are unable to face reality, and are not self aware. There is no script, there is no masterplan, there is only you and what you decide. Read through it a few more times.... If you still can't see what I'm talking about fair enough:) Regards parker

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??? Can you choose to break the laws of physics?

Can you choose not to think the thoughts you are having right now

Can you help the fact you dont believe in a master plan

Or can you fake it and even pretend to believe it if you dont

Daddy and turncoat seemed to have faith the placebo effect

Could effect the same results. I dont see that happening

Like luna asked how far down the rabbit hole do you want to go

We know we cant choose to change into elephants or ants

What else cant we change except our perception

And even that is a bugger to change sometimes

Can we help how we see things 

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"Daddy and turncoat seemed to have faith the placebo effect"

It's closer to you missing the point of what we're meaning when we talk about it, but you seem to know how life works better than anyone else here. Carry on.

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 If you don't believe in God or God's, then you must accept the fact that there are no moral absolutes and therefore no set standards for good and evil.

The only reason murder and rape has been labeled as evil or wrong is because societies are built on most people having some sort of empathy and moral standard. If people didn't have empathy and we had no moral codes then it would be impossible for us to live together because we'd all be out killing or getting killed.

Look at Wolves and Lions. They exist together in packs and prides because they've evolved love/connection for each other. It's how they survive. Humans have grown to live together in societies because most of us have evolved empathy. Empathy was necessary for our species to grow like it has. After Empathy comes rules based on that empathy to keep people in line. 

Religion was a good way to enforce these moral standards. Despite most humans having empathy, a lot of people, not necessarily sociopaths, could easily kill or hurt people that they didn't like or anyone who crossed them. Every human is different.

There's an old saying - A policeman with a gun can control a crowd of 50 people. A priest can put a policeman in the heads of thousands and they will stay in line. That policeman is religion. The fear that a God will punish them if they don't obey.

But more and more people these days are growing out of this and realising that there's no set standard for good and evil. Some Muslims think all infidels are evil and must be terrorised or killed. That's their idea of good, but everyone else's idea of evil. It's all subjective.

But despite being subjective, it is often necessary for people to accept the idea of good and bad in some way.

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Sorry Turncoat I thought we clarified we were talking about different things. Daddy thought I meant pretending faith in forgiveness from God and using that for the placebo effect. But what I meant was the person forgiving on that level of Gods love, which I said ppl could not fake. If ppl dont truly go thru the process of forgiving all ppl even their worst enemies or fears, the spiritual healing wont work. So that level of forgiveness cant be faked like a placebo.

If this wasnt clear can you straighten me out since you would know whats wrong with this explanation. I dont know unless you tell me. Human like anyone else,  i can only guess till you confirm if this was resolved or not. thanks turncoat. Sorry no offense intended.

Obviously you are more intelligent than that.

And however I insulted your intelligence I am sorry. Please forgive me.

 

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