I'll come back to this tomorrow. I'm not at home, and I need the big machine to deal with you.
Holy shit. Listen dude, I'm not really the type who has these philosophical debates and your big posts are annoying, because I feel like you are saying the same shit over and over again without really understanding what I am saying.
In short, people fear being ridiculed. It has to do with going against the herd.
Why is belief in God even considered ridiculous if it's something so obvious and logically proven like you claim it is?
The Golden ratio proves to me that this is not random. ( I say
it proves to me, cause it doesn't prove anything to those who don't
accept it, regardless of it's proven existance)
So the golden ratio makes you believe there is a God. Fine. Other believe in Him for other reasons. It's still belief.
Very funny Edvard, you just said that I wrote about Cones and
Rods, now your saying I don't know about it cause I'm ignorant. Well
Ed, I questioned what is a Cone just to reveal how you make stuff up on
the spot. I see what you do all the time, so I expose you again. Let's
forget the bullshit and give credit to my correction on how much you
follow Alia's lead at the expense of your own interests.
Shut the fuck up, you know perfectly well how things happened. You claimed the pineal gland had a lot in common with the human eye, the video was in support of this claim. I said: well maybe there's some truth to it because the cons and rods thing mentioned there is kinda cool. It turned out that wasn't the case, I said ok, so this is bullshit. And you got upset over this, because you would have liked me to believe your stupid claim even though it was because of a wrong fact.
I'll stop now because I think my gf just woke up.
Anyway, we really don't see things in the same light Tony. I can usually respect other people's points of view, and I'd respect yours if it wasn't stinking of your narcissistic attitude.
Ok theres two possible conclusions I can make here. I honestly kind of enjoy reading SpatialMinds posts but I cant help speaking my mind.
Unlike most people here I pretty much know all about astral projection and other mumbo jumbo that goes on in a crazy persons head. The reason is that I used to have a friend from the UK who was into that stuff. He was completely normal for some four years after which he suddenly cut contact for half a year. When he contacted me again after half a year all I can say is the guy had become a complete whackjob. I dont mean that he was like spatial mind, but I mean he was completely out of his mind.
I didnt realize it at first but it came pretty clear to me when he started talking about how his sudden mental illness could be cured by astral projection how he will kill himself unless I astral project for him, enter his dreams and talk with his inner soul or something. Since I had known him for some four years and he had been a pretty good friend I finally told him I would try to astral project for him.
The next time I saw him I told him it didnt work so he gave me some 1000 pages of slides from some pdf to read and then some music to listen to which supposedly helps with astral projection. Needless to say I didnt read the slides. I did listen to the music though.
at this point I should probably say that this guy was completely normal before this whole thing started. Neways the next time I met him we talked this and that, I asked about his treatment he said he just kept talking about how he was getting worse. I told him that maybe he should just listen to the doctors but then he said they didnt know what they were doing and gave me this one-hour-long speech about how it was helping him when someone hypnotized him and talked with him. I said well yeah good for you. He also mentioned that his whole family was into all the same bullshit he was into. Then he brought up the astral projection again and asked if I had been successful in performing it.
I said no and then I told him that it probably isnt the right approach. He got mad about it and said that, and im quoting now, im a nonbeliever who lets a person die because I think its simply his faith and then went on to tell me that my actions are comparable to a person not calling an ambulance when he sees a wounded person. Then he started with the suicidal stuff again and I said yeah ok but what if it doesnt work? His approach to things not working was that Ill keep doing it as long as it does work.
The next time I met him, it hadnt worked. So I told him. He didnt seem to mind too much though and told me that the most important thing is that I try. He told me about how he had studied astral projection and how some dude on the internet had apparently astral projected and he had found out that theres a huge multidimensional hole in him. The guy had also talked to some entity called man in the hat who had mentioned that the multidimensional hole is quite powerful whatever the fuck that meant. I suspected the guy might have actually been trolling him so I adviced my friend not to believe everything on the internet but he was already living in this fairy tale so my words didnt exactly reach him.
at some point during the conversation we ended up on the topic of astral projection again. He started talking about LSD and how that might help with astral projection. I was pretty fed up with the whole subject so I asked why he didnt astral project himself and he just said that his illness is blocking his astral projection so it has to be a friend who astral projects. Then I asked him why he wants me specifically to astral project and why not ask someone on one of those internet forums to do that for him and he said that he doesnt have friends there. So I told him to befriend someone there but according to him it doesnt work that way.
The next time I met him he told me to take lsd to help me with my astral projection and I said there was absolutely no way im going to take LSD so he got angry and cut contact with me again. The last I heard he was in the mental hospital and he was trying to convince his doctor to astral project for him.
The forum he was visiting was astral pulse I think.
LMAO hahaha! You're such a nice guy WW.
This bit is my favorite:
The next time I saw him I told him it didnt work so he gave me some
1000 pages of slides from some pdf to read and then some music to listen
to which supposedly helps with astral projection. Needless to say I
didnt read the slides. I did listen to the music though.
And "the man in the hat?" It must be horrible to be that crazy, man.
Question,
Why didn't you just pretend you went through the whole thing, had a cup of joe with his inner soul and say:
"I'm not sure how to tell you this... Your inner soul thinks I am the reason you are having so much frustration. I should be removed from your life."
or
"Your inner soul wants you to invest in my nigerian prince"
or
"Your inner soul says go fuck yourself and jump off a cliff."
Crazy can come from some weird directions and mental tangents. At least for some of what I've experienced, it's one of the few times where proof isn't necisarry, because it feels right. It's like having your gut go full retard.
As for The Man in the Hat, this came up, alongside a song from some guy named Mac Miller, and another by Chris Martin.
by Inquirerby Spatial MindThe Golden ratio proves to me that this is not random. ( I say it proves to me, cause it doesn't prove anything to those who don't accept it, regardless of it's proven existance) If it were random, we would not see the same signatures in various lifeforms and physics. Deformation can exist, and it can function within it's degree, but that is what it is, while all creatures and plants and forces of nature repeat the same math. This is not randomness, but it is the work of consciousness. If it were a game of dice, then the ratio would not uphold itself in nature. I'm sorry, but this is very basic and logical. People are comfortable with what they are told, but how many people can write formulas or make sense of them ?
It's but a language I'm sure, but still, people settle for it to a point where they will argue it, and ignore how these theories contradict themselves. Sure it makes me sound arrogant, ego's have nothing to say when I point that out, so I get the blame, while my suggestion is taken as 2 cents.
Nobody denies the presence of the golden ratio, Spatial. All we argue is your inexplicable leap from a pattern seen in nature to conscious design and a prime creator.
- "It is by definition true, that Phi is a self collapsing wave function. As there is nothing physical outside of the universe to measure and collapse it.
- According to Hawking's colleague, Roger Penrose, self collapsing wave functions are minds.
- Phi is a mind, and it so happens that Phi has a certain set of properties that a theist would find familar."
In any case, as I mentioned multiple times, even in my first post before the debate, there are other things, and stuff I wouldn't even mention here cause it wouldn't make any sense to even bring those. The point I'm making is, the Golden ratio is not the only thing that convinces me, there are other things I find more profound, in here Phi is what's being brought up to me again and again, and sure I'll back it.
I understand if this is proof enough for you, but you can't go around and act like it naturally should be for everybody else. At the very least admit that you're making an 'educated guess' about this, instead of waving it in people's faces as if it would be indisputable mathematical evidence.
But Inquirer, I said many times here and in the past, that no one need listen to what I say. It's up to people to walk on their own and seek out answers for themselves, but when asked, this is me, and I am convinced that the things I've seen and experienced is a reality. When asked to prove this, I can assure you, it cannot be proven with breadcrumbs the listener does not digest, so there is no need to carry on when what I have to share is being discarded before I share it all.
And by the way, you still haven't told me a good reason for why this 'game of dice' couldn't have been played once when the universe was created and then acted as a natural 'law' for it ever since. Much like the fixed speed of light.
Well, I never said this was a game of dice to begin with, as a matter of fact, I keep saying this is not dice. Anyway.
Take 1 dice for every plant and living creature, for DNA, for gravity and all of physics, maybe even the speed of light, (I've been researching this and found calculations basing the speed of light on Phi.) Mind you the number of faces these dice have are staggering. Roll them all, and you get the same numbers.
Unlike as it is. The unconscious would disclude the Golden ratio more.
And as you say "Natural law" There cannot be a program, without a programmer. The laws of nature itself are all something. It is active and tangible. And it did NOT, come from nothing.
by Spatial MindIn any case, as I mentioned multiple times, even in my first post before the debate, there are other things, and stuff I wouldn't even mention here cause it wouldn't make any sense to even bring those. The point I'm making is, the Golden ratio is not the only thing that convinces me, there are other things I find more profound, in here Phi is what's being brought up to me again and again, and sure I'll back it.
And:
But Inquirer, I said many times here and in the past, that no one need listen to what I say. It's up to people to walk on their own and seek out answers for themselves, but when asked, this is me, and I am convinced that the things I've seen and experienced is a reality. When asked to prove this, I can assure you, it cannot be proven with breadcrumbs the listener does not digest, so there is no need to carry on when what I have to share is being discarded before I share it all.
Don't you see that you have completely altered your tone since before? Now you're saying this is what you believe, not that everybody else are stupid for not seeing the 'truth'.
Well, I never said this was a game of dice to begin with, as a matter of fact, I keep saying this is not dice. Anyway.
Take 1 dice for every plant and living creature, for DNA, for gravity and all of physics, maybe even the speed of light, (I've been researching this and found calculations basing the speed of light on Phi.) Mind you the number of faces these dice have are staggering. Roll them all, and you get the same numbers.
Unlike as it is. The unconscious would disclude the Golden ratio more.
And as you say "Natural law" There cannot be a program, without a programmer. The laws of nature itself are all something. It is active and tangible. And it did NOT, come from nothing.
This isn't what I meant. Roll a few dice for the physics and natural laws, and let evolution deal with how the universe takes form.
And wouldn't the prime creator face the same problem, just like both I and Alia have pointed out? The prime creator is something, so he couldn't have come from nothing, right?