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HelloTech> If I had him in front of he now I probably wouldnt hesitate to use one of the three of your options.

Generally> Theres two sides to popular science. On one hand I really love how popular science attempts to teach complicated theories in a simplified way but on one hand I dislike how some people try to come up with their own theories without actually understanding the physics or math behind whatever they base their theories on.

Its really useless to debate the subject when both sides have closed their minds off anyway. Theres no consensus you will ever reach with spatial mind. If you want to fight with facts then go ahead but the moment you hit something which cannot be proven or disproven the whole debate becomes meaningless if neither side is willing to yield.

Hell, even if you are using facts theres just as big a chance of spatial mind convincing you hes right as there is a chance you will convince him you are right. That is to say there is no chance of either of you winning the debate. Debates are a bad form of discussion anyway since the objective is usually to win and not to learn something new.

 If this is any guide to my opinion, I have been skipping Spatial Mind's post and just reading the responses.

 high fives harder than before

by thesugargirl

 high fives harder than before

 lol. This place is wonderful for a laugh. Who would have thought?

by Inquirer

by Spatial Mind

In any case, as I mentioned multiple times, even in my first post before the debate, there are other things, and stuff I wouldn't even mention here cause it wouldn't make any sense to even bring those. The point I'm making is, the Golden ratio is not the only thing that convinces me, there are other things I find more profound, in here Phi is what's being brought up to me again and again, and sure I'll back it.

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But Inquirer, I said many times here and in the past, that no one need listen to what I say. It's up to people to walk on their own and seek out answers for themselves, but when asked, this is me, and I am convinced that the things I've seen and experienced is a reality. When asked to prove this, I can assure you, it cannot be proven with breadcrumbs the listener does not digest, so there is no need to carry on when what I have to share is being discarded before I share it all.

Don't you see that you have completely altered your tone since before? Now you're saying this is what you believe, not that everybody else are stupid for not seeing the 'truth'.

 

I never said everybody or anyone is stupid for not seeing the truth, or seeing things my way. If anything, I said something along the lines of "It's not that they ( Atheist) are stupid"

Well, I never said this was a game of dice to begin with, as a matter of fact, I keep saying this is not dice. Anyway.

Take 1 dice for every plant and living creature, for DNA, for gravity and all of physics, maybe even the speed of light, (I've been researching this and found calculations basing the speed of light on Phi.) Mind you the number of faces these dice have are staggering. Roll them all, and you get the same numbers.

Unlike as it is. The unconscious would disclude the Golden ratio more.

And as you say "Natural law" There cannot be a program, without a programmer. The laws of nature itself are all something. It is active and tangible. And it did NOT, come from nothing.

This isn't what I meant. Roll a few dice for the physics and natural laws, and let evolution deal with how the universe takes form.

 

I know what you are saying. The dice has been rolled, laws were set in place, evolution follows up on those laws, regardless of being unconscious. The fish grew feet and other components to became a land dweller, simply because the mutation benefits the creature.

If that were the case, there would still have to be a consciousness evolving the creatures.

 

And wouldn't the prime creator face the same problem, just like both I and Alia have pointed out? The prime creator is something, so he couldn't have come from nothing, right?

The prime creator created space and time. Space and time is also unified. Without space, there is no time. In this universe, everything has an opposite. Hot and cold, male and female, left right up down, forward backward, good bad, beginning end. The way we think is limited to our universe. As far as the creator is concerned, God has no end, and also no beginning. To have no end would mean there is no place to concieve the end of the prime creator, also to have no beginning would also mean there is no place to concieve where the prime creator is from.

by Spatial Mind

I never said everybody or anyone is stupid for not seeing the truth, or seeing things my way. If anything, I said something along the lines of "It's not that they ( Atheist) are stupid"

You've called me stupid, and you've called 'not thinking like you' stupid. Regardless, my point was that you have a softer, more humble tone now.

I know what you are saying. The dice has been rolled, laws were set in place, evolution follows up on those laws, regardless of being unconscious. The fish grew feet and other components to became a land dweller, simply because the mutation benefits the creature.

If that were the case, there would still have to be a consciousness evolving the creatures.

Why? Evolution works fine on its own, even if we can't explain everything with it yet.

The prime creator created space and time. Space and time is also unified. Without space, there is no time. In this universe, everything has an opposite. Hot and cold, male and female, left right up down, forward backward, good bad, beginning end. The way we think is limited to our universe. As far as the creator is concerned, God has no end, and also no beginning. To have no end would mean there is no place to concieve the end of the prime creator, also to have no beginning would also mean there is no place to concieve where the prime creator is from.

Exactly my point; our minds are limited to this universe. However proposing that there's something outside that doesn't work with the laws we know seems like an easy way out of a difficult problem.

by Inquirer

by Spatial Mind

I never said everybody or anyone is stupid for not seeing the truth, or seeing things my way. If anything, I said something along the lines of "It's not that they ( Atheist) are stupid"

You've called me stupid, and you've called 'not thinking like you' stupid. Regardless, my point was that you have a softer, more humble tone now.

 

Show me where I said you were stupid and not thinking like me is stupid. My tone has been soft and humble the whole time.

I know what you are saying. The dice has been rolled, laws were set in place, evolution follows up on those laws, regardless of being unconscious. The fish grew feet and other components to became a land dweller, simply because the mutation benefits the creature.

If that were the case, there would still have to be a consciousness evolving the creatures.

Why? Evolution works fine on its own, even if we can't explain everything with it yet.

 

A self collapsing wave function is a mind. Evolution wouldn't be able to collapse itself without a consciousness.

The prime creator created space and time. Space and time is also unified. Without space, there is no time. In this universe, everything has an opposite. Hot and cold, male and female, left right up down, forward backward, good bad, beginning end. The way we think is limited to our universe. As far as the creator is concerned, God has no end, and also no beginning. To have no end would mean there is no place to concieve the end of the prime creator, also to have no beginning would also mean there is no place to concieve where the prime creator is from.

Exactly my point; our minds are limited to this universe. However proposing that there's something outside that doesn't work with the laws we know seems like an easy way out of a difficult problem.

 It is said there are 11 dimensions with unique properties as we go up the scale. Science calls it string theory. We are in the 3rd dimension and all higher dimensions defy the laws we know of, as this dimension defies dimensions below it. We wouldn't imagine 3 dimensions had we been 2 dimensional, it wouldn't relate to us. What is the 4th or 5th dimension like ? It boggles the mind, and it's interesting mainstream science is suggesting other dimensions exist that we don't understand.

Ahh theories on dimensions, always a fun topic:

When you hit a rock with something it moves in a certain direction. Would that rock not know which way to move without some higher consciousness moving it? Its not inconcievable that there might be some sort of consciousness in the universe but I dont see what the wave function or quantum physics has to do with it. People have always associated mindboggling things with the supernatural. Just because a thunderstorm is amazing does not mean it is the work of God.

The way popular science explains physics is extremely simplified and its only meant to whet peoples appetites. People are not interested in how the theories may be derived and they cant pack a months lasting course on physics into five minutes and expect people to understand what is going on.

"Just because a thunderstorm is amazing does not mean it is the work of God."


 

Maybe not God specifically...