Tony you don't understand high school physics, remember your eternal energy invention that got torn apart? Even I know more physics than you, dude, don't talk about dimensions like you understand wtf you're talking about.
by WhiteWolfWhen you hit a rock with something it moves in a certain direction. Would that rock not know which way to move without some higher consciousness moving it?
A rock will never know which way to go without some higher consciousness moving it, as it will never know anything. In your example, a higher consciousness moved the rock. When who hit a rock ? There you go.
Its not inconcievable that there might be some sort of consciousness in the universe but I dont see what the wave function or quantum physics has to do with it.
The thing about quantum physics. It's very mental. Observer collapses the wavefunction by observing. Phi is self collapsing as no one would have been around for the creation of the universe. A mind itself is a self collapsing wave function, nothing unconscious can and will observe and measure.
People have always associated mindboggling things with the supernatural. Just because a thunderstorm is amazing does not mean it is the work of God.
If one finds it amazing or not does not matter. All of this is the creators work, before and after the thunderstorm. And the thunderstorm too.
The way popular science explains physics is extremely simplified and its only meant to whet peoples appetites. People are not interested in how the theories may be derived and they cant pack a months lasting course on physics into five minutes and expect people to understand what is going on.
Yes. People need to get off their ass and find out for themselves.
by Spatial MindShow me where I said you were stupid and not thinking like me is stupid. My tone has been soft and humble the whole time.
I might've exaggerated, for which I apologize, but this isn't humble:
"I'll be up front and honest with you. I really do think you're thoughts on the matter are nothing more than wishful concepts to protect what you think you know. You've said too much that is below what I've proven to be real. It was obvious and as requested, Spatial Mind was on the way, and now your here defending your idea that all of this is one big fluke, and how consciousness is what you claim it to be."
A self collapsing wave function is a mind. Evolution wouldn't be able to collapse itself without a consciousness.
We've been through this before. The theory is that any type of observer collapses the wave function, not only a conscious one. And take note of the word 'theory'; science cannot prove this yet.
It is said there are 11 dimensions with unique properties as we go up the scale. Science calls it string theory. We are in the 3rd dimension and all higher dimensions defy the laws we know of, as this dimension defies dimensions below it. We wouldn't imagine 3 dimensions had we been 2 dimensional, it wouldn't relate to us. What is the 4th or 5th dimension like ? It boggles the mind, and it's interesting mainstream science is suggesting other dimensions exist that we don't understand.
Yes, but just because it boggles the mind it doesn't mean that you can slip in a theory about a Prime Creator and call it a day. Sure, theoretically and philosophically quantum physics and string theory might allow for some weird things, but why not believe the obvious and tangible before jumping to theories that are far-fetched?
Observer is a poor choice of words to be honest. It has nothing to do with consciousness. all types of quantum phenomena take place all the time and it doesnt matter if we are there to observe them or not.
anyway its pretty obvious I have no way of convincing you spatial so Ill just let you guys continue until both of you are too exhaused to continue.
by Inquirerby Spatial MindShow me where I said you were stupid and not thinking like me is stupid. My tone has been soft and humble the whole time.
I might've exaggerated, for which I apologize, but this isn't humble:
"I'll be up front and honest with you. I really do think you're thoughts on the matter are nothing more than wishful concepts to protect what you think you know. You've said too much that is below what I've proven to be real. It was obvious and as requested, Spatial Mind was on the way, and now your here defending your idea that all of this is one big fluke, and how consciousness is what you claim it to be."
That was from a heated debate from several months ago. Honesty always sets us free, if you can be at peace with the truth of what others think of you, then your closer to enlightment. And enlightment is good.
A self collapsing wave function is a mind. Evolution wouldn't be able to collapse itself without a consciousness.
We've been through this before. The theory is that any type of observer collapses the wave function, not only a conscious one. And take note of the word 'theory'; science cannot prove this yet.
There is no unconscious force that can be an observer to measure and collapse. None.
It is said there are 11 dimensions with unique properties as we go up the scale. Science calls it string theory. We are in the 3rd dimension and all higher dimensions defy the laws we know of, as this dimension defies dimensions below it. We wouldn't imagine 3 dimensions had we been 2 dimensional, it wouldn't relate to us. What is the 4th or 5th dimension like ? It boggles the mind, and it's interesting mainstream science is suggesting other dimensions exist that we don't understand.
Yes, but just because it boggles the mind it doesn't mean that you can slip in a theory about a Prime Creator and call it a day. Sure, theoretically and philosophically quantum physics and string theory might allow for some weird things, but why not believe the obvious and tangible before jumping to theories that are far-fetched?
With all due respect, that was in reply to you saying how our minds are limited to this universe. Though I wouldn't doubt the creator made all dimensions, it's not the foundation for what I've wrote. My point is, again, the creator made time, and it doesn't really apply to him.
by WhiteWolfObserver is a poor choice of words to be honest. It has nothing to do with consciousness. all types of quantum phenomena take place all the time and it doesnt matter if we are there to observe them or not.
Incorrect. When it comes to quantum phenomena. It matters when we observe. Magic.
anyway its pretty obvious I have no way of convincing you spatial so Ill just let you guys continue until both of you are too exhaused to continue.
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by Spatial Mind
That was from a heated debate from several months ago. Honesty always sets us free, if you can be at peace with the truth of what others think of you, then your closer to enlightment. And enlightment is good.
I agree, so I'll drop that.
There is no unconscious force that can be an observer to measure and collapse. None.
Wrong. There is however no way to interpret or measure the results without using a consciousness, but that's a different matter.
With all due respect, that was in reply to you saying how our minds are limited to this universe. Though I wouldn't doubt the creator made all dimensions, it's not the foundation for what I've wrote. My point is, again, the creator made time, and it doesn't really apply to him.
Isn't this backward? You have no idea how things look outside of our universe, yet you use that as an argument for conscious design. You have no evidence that the Creator made time, just the fact that it fits your theory better.
People call magic what they can't understand, they always have. When they have an answer, that thing stops being magical. So many superstitions and false beliefs have been disproved this way, and those who based their belief on that "magic" ended up looking like backwards idiots. This will probably happen with the quantum thing as well, and people who say God exists because of quantum physics will make belief in God look really stupid, after quantum physics is sorted out.