Yeah well it's suppose to be an angel taking my soul to my happy place !
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by Spatial MindThe thing about all living creatures including us, is we all have Golden proportions that make our structure. On a side note, the Golden ratio has been mentioned twice in the Bible by God himself when he requested things to be made his way. Just a thought, we can sweep that back under the rug, while we speculate how all things in nature contain the Golden ratio one way or another, and that it is also a universal law for physics.
We've already been through this; is the fixed speed of light also evidence for a conscious design?
Well I never said it was impossible. Though I would say it's unlikely. Conditions do apply.
I don't know about you. But if I was exploring unmarked terrain and I saw that. I would know some type of consciousness did that. More likely it was big foot as opposed to some natural occurrance.
Rocks are but a material available to us. Without consciousness, the stars and planets would have no purpose, but behold, they are of great service to us.
Don't you get my argument? You are making a subjective judgement based on your own humanly flawed perspective when you say that stacked rocks are the result of a consciousness. You know that through experience living on this planet and that is hardly enough data to make a claim of intelligent design on a universal scale. You'd need experience from a multitude of universes for that.
And why wouldn't stars and planets have purpose without us? Or rather, what purpose (from the universe's point of view) do they have now?
What I call forward results, is a matter of not coming from, or returning to nothing. Something does not come from nothing. Science knows and teaches this. We are something, the consciousness is something. Without awareness there cannot be conscious art, and the most profound conscious art imatates life, which by all means is far more complex than conscious art.
Energy cannot be created or destroyed. I'm sure you believe this. From my perspective, energy is timeless, as it came from a place that is timeless. All matter in this universe did not come from here. It could have been given or loaned from a place where time does not exist.
We can try and try again countless times, and we will not even beging to get something from nothing. There is intelligence in us, and intelligence surrounding us, we have yet to match. Our machines do not have free will, and do not make things beyond our imagination, whatever we have the machine do, it's the consciousness behind the tool.
Firstly, you don't know that we'll never be able to create an intelligent and conscious AI. Secondly, as I said before, you are limited by your own imagination and perspective. What you deem as complex might be simple from another point of view, and what you think is simple could be complex. Things just are.
However, if you are talking about the scientific meaning of complexity both the Specified complexity argument and the Irreducible complexity argument has been sufficiently disproved in my eyes.
And where energy comes from I don't know. Perhaps it is timeless, but that doesn't really matter to this discussion.
I don't know about you. But if I was exploring unmarked terrain and I saw that. I would know some type of consciousness did that. More likely it was big foot as opposed to some natural occurrance.
Rocks are but a material available to us. Without consciousness, the stars and planets would have no purpose, but behold, they are of great service to us.
What's the purpose of stars and planets that are really fucking far away (or have been) and don't/won't have anything to do with us?
You tell em Eddiekin! I'm so proud of you for being so smart!!!!!!!! I think I'll even let you watch your soap operas tonite as a treat for being such a good boy!!!!
by EdvardI don't know about you. But if I was exploring unmarked terrain and I saw that. I would know some type of consciousness did that. More likely it was big foot as opposed to some natural occurrance.
Rocks are but a material available to us. Without consciousness, the stars and planets would have no purpose, but behold, they are of great service to us.
What's the purpose of stars and planets that are really fucking far away (or have been) and don't/won't have anything to do with us?
Oh baby :) you know I love your pet names, but I don't know why you're being so bashfull about our relationship. Are you ashamed of us? Is this about your mother not approving of our love? :( Eddiekins I know you're a mommas boy but you moved out of her house years ago, she doesn't own you anymore!!! I do!! :D