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@Edvard: that's some interesting research. I'd be vary of these political social science studies though. It's hard to reproduce them. Also, the good universities in the US are dominated by liberals. It's not that surprising that they find that conservative views stem from insecurities. If the unis weren't liberal-dominated, we'd likely find studies like "liberal brains more likely to ignore evidence and focus on theory instead of what works in practice, proven by science."

@Feathers: Holy shit, you're not a troll. Oh man, I'll have so much fun replying to you in the future. You're just like me long ago.

@Turncoat: Nice Gervais quotes. The reason people believe drugs slowly kill people is because the usual drug addicts don't recognize their adverse effects. They get dragged to drugs due to social pressure and other silly reasons at a young age. You can fix some of that by educating people. I think that's a pre-requirement, though, education, otherwise you fuck up the society.

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I watched a segment where it was pointed out how liberal men tend to smile more. Now I'm not going to comment on their social status which is often the same, but I do reckon we're often happier in the matrix.

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You say Him being able to walk on water and perform miracles makes Him less human.

Yes! Humans can’t do that. He can’t even play by human rules from humanity and it’s limitations being so far beyond his understandings. God is no different from a well designed causality drone, one with no empathy for our plight beyond our uses to Him. 

Also his having his entire life orchestrated for him well in advance by one who controls all of time and space removes all causality mystery. God would have seen Jesus coming as early as him seeing all of time at once, and would make every choice since then with the best possible outcome in mind well before his birth. 

He’s even less human than Doctor Who. 

 

He was fully man and fully God.

You need to recheck your math, as that’s 200%. 

 

The bible promises that some people will do greater miracles than Christ. Miracles are given to those who have faith. It includes the gift of prophecy (especially in end times).

Well The Bible also demonizes Satan so hey, it shows very clear bias (and slavery aspirations). 

Also miracles are just interpretations of things they could not otherwise explain at the time. It’s like calling Voodoo “magic” instead of “old world science”. 

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I mean if you're a Calvinist you believe God indirectly orchestrated everyone's lives. It was all his "allowing will" not that he was happy about it but it was for the sake of a greater good.

Romans 9:19-20 You will say to me then, “Why does he still find fault? For who can resist his will?” But who are you, O man, to answer back to God? Will what is molded say to its molder, “Why have you made me like this?”

In Calvinism they think no one can stop being a sinner unless God draws them and works on their heart.

John 6:44 No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day.

So why? Well Calvinist say... So he can show mercy because without sinners who deserve hell there's no way to show mercy.

Romans 9:22-23 What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, in order to make known the riches of his glory for vessels of mercy, which he has prepared beforehand for glory—

God has two wills. The one he wants and then there's the "big picture" or "overall good". God doesn't really want to punish people but his desire to show mercy surpasses it.

Ezekiel 18:33 Have I any pleasure in the death of the wicked, declares the Lord God, and not rather that he should turn from his way and live?

But that's just the Calvinist view. There's the Arminian and the Molinist view.

By the way the math is fine. We are 100% a full soul and 100% a full body. Christ's "soul" was God and his body was like our body. Maybe you'd word that differently but that's the idea. Christ the soul is God and the body is man like we are souls and bodies.

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Convenient how the part of him no one would be able to prove is the part that is God. We can’t even prove the existence of souls, let alone that his was special beyond more blatantly biased texts. 

Also I am clearly not a Calvinist, but instead a “Devil’s Advocate”, if one we’re to take it considerably more literally. I don’t believe in him, but if everything Christianity peddles were to pass I think you know who’s side I’d be on during the war at the end of days: The side of freedom

Why anyone would follow God beyond the promises of prizes is beyond me (and since he sees into people’s hearts, he’d not accept that lot anyway). While God is picky and selective, Satan takes all kinds like a true patriot. I’d rather suffer for my freedoms than be imprisoned by God’s narc robot tendencies. 

God expects me to fear him, yet love him, without question of his terrible deeds, choices, and obvious biases, while Satan will take me into his arms no matter what I do. He is the true sheapard of humanity, while God is too picky and aggressive. It’s not fair to our buddy Satan that a popular book has shat on his name so hard. 

Unless his power literally hacks my brain, I see nothing to fear, and would oppose him out of principle. There’s little he could do to me to change that when God’s been such a piece of shit across history, and I’d rather be damned over it than give into bullshit. Also, as much as the texts that insult Satan constantly claims that he’d hate us, I think he’d have sympathy for the lot that were cast down just like he was. 

Seriously, fuck God. 

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First of all God is not picky. He takes the outcasts. 

Matthew 11:25 At that time Jesus declared, “I thank you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that you have hidden these things from the wise and understanding and revealed them to little children".
 
1 Corinthians 1:27-29 But God chose what is foolish in the world to shame the wise; God chose what is weak in the world to shame the strong; 28 God chose what is low and despised in the world, even things that are not, to bring to nothing things that are, 29 so that no human being[a] might boast in the presence of God.

Satan does hate us because we are made in the image of God. Basically he hates us because we remind him of God.  That be like seeing a billion people who look exactly like your worst enemy. He also hates us because God does not restrain his evil likes he restrains human evil. Satan is free to be the greatest embodiment of evil possible. 

Why would I follow God? Because He loves me. The devil doesn't love me as He wants to destroy me. God loves me so much that when He thought me up He had to create me, that when I became an evil person He had to die for me, and that when I was lost He found me. 

I love Him because He promised to never leave me nor forsake me. When I call to Him he answers. I am not sure if you read my once miracle thread on old sc. A new one includes how my uncle's father was going in for heart surgery. I had told him I was praying for him. Then when he went in they said he didn't need open heart surgery anymore or anything at all. They sent him home. When I tell him even small things like "God I wish I had a mouse to play video games" he has someone give me a free mouse. It includes bigger things too like freeing children from abuse when I pray.

I love Him because He loves me. I feel His presence when I pray. I want to follow God for His immense love. His never ending love. I want to follow God so I can ice skate with him. I love Him because He visits me in my dreams where we go on adventure. In one dream we went to the garden of Eden where it all began. 

I love God because when I look at Him I overwhelm him (Song of Solomon 4:9). I love him because He sings over me (Zephaniah 3:17). I love Him because His good thoughts towards me outnumber the sand in the sea (Psalm 139:17-18). I love Him because when I ignore Him He waits all night knocking at my door till dew drops form in his hair (Song of Solomon 5:2). I love Him because when I pray He inclines his ear and leans in (Psalm 116:2). I love Him because He promises me Himself forever (Lamentations 3:2). I love Him because Christ, He eagerly awaits to inherit me on judgment day (Deuteronomy 32:9 and Ephesians 1:18).

God will take you as you are but will not leave you as you are. The gospel is not about "fixing" yourself to be worthy of God. It's coming to God without self righteousness. It's realizing you have nothing to offer now enjoy His free gift. He will change your heart the more you get to know Him. The more you fall in love with Him the less you'll want to play with the sins that nailed your savior to the cross. The less you'll love the sins. So if you're worried about that comes just as you are. Christ purchased a righteousness for you and a new heart that will understand. Come to Him and tell Him you want to receive Him. 

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To go to Heaven you must act in one, very specific way. Most who think they’re doing God’s will haven’t even read the Bible, or their sect took it with wrongly interpretations that would cast them to hell despite following the right guy. 

To go to Hell, you just need to do anything except what God wants. 

Clearly God is the picky one, this isn’t even up for debate. 

 

Also, again, you only ever tell me what Satan’s worst enemy thinks about him. Would you trust one’s worst enemy to describe someone? 

 

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Considering I use to be a satanist I know both sides.

To get to heaven you mustn't act any way but as someone who comes to terms with the fact salvation is a free gift and realize that God is trustworthy.

Ephesians 2:8-9 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: not of works, lest any man should boast.

Romans 3:24  And are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus.

Romans 3:28 For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works of the law.

Romans 9:16 So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy.

John 19:30 When Jesus had received the sour wine, he said, “It is finished,” and he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.

Galatians 5:4-5 You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace. For through the Spirit, by faith, we ourselves eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness.

Romans 4:6-7 just as David also speaks of the blessing of the one to whom God counts righteousness apart from works: “Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven, and whose sins are covered".

Galatians 2:16 Yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.

Galatians 3:10-11 For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.” Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law, for “The righteous shall live by faith.”

Ephesians 2:5  Even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved—

Acts 15:11 But we believe that we will be saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, just as they will.

Tell me one thing... The thief on the cross... Christ assured Him he would be in heaven. What good deeds did he do while dangling on a cross and dying moments later? He did nothing and could do nothing. All he was able to say was "Lord would you remember me?". He saw Christ as his only hope and only savior. We are not our own saviors. That defeats the purpose of salvation.

You do not have to change. You can come as you are to the throne of grace. You can come without works. As long as you are willing to receive salvation and freedom from sin you can have it. You come just as you are and you leave as with a new heart saved from the penalty and power of sin. Christ is the savior of your soul not you. Ask Him for this free gift and receive it. Trust Him save. He died for you as you are. He died to save you from bondage to sin and the penalty of sin. Seek Him while He may be found.

I know you don't like free gifts but once you said you'd like a furby even if it was a free gift. This is one of those kinds of free gifts.

"If today I woke up to find out salvation depended on me I would despair of Christianity tomorrow" Sproul.

"The only works of righteousness that serve to justify the sinner are the works of Christ" Sproul

1 John 4:10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

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