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It's always nice to see Ed and TPG on the same page. 

If a child is only born because the mother couldnt access abortion and it was completely unwanted, how would you expect it's quality of life to be?

Children are abandoned at birth in dumpsters, or neglected, starved, or abused. Forced birth =/= caring about life. 

PalePeach said: 

If a child is only born because the mother couldnt access abortion and it was completely unwanted, how would you expect it's quality of life to be?

Children are abandoned at birth in dumpsters, or neglected, starved, or abused. Forced birth =/= caring about life. 

 We should all remind ourselves that Feathers is a born again fanatical Christian. While it's cute, it comes with this sort of "stances". If you truly believe the soul is given to us at conception, then yeah, I suppose abortion is a sin and wrong and everything else.

If you really want a look into my psyche. I became pro life because of Tryptamine. He was almost aborted. I'm like eternally glad for his existence. To be pro choice would be to morally declare that I didn't care if he existed. I do care. Becoming a Christian only further reinforced this idea that all life has a fate and a purpose. 

Feathers said: 

If you really want a look into my psyche. I became pro life because of Tryptamine. He was almost aborted. I'm like eternally glad for his existence.

One more alcoholic in the world is always a nice pro-life argument I suppose.

I personally am against it, and I would advise anyone I can if they sought my advice, to not go through with one. It's known to send the mother into a hormonal depression, and go through a grieving/mourning process naturally- whether they want to or not. It's purely biological response. And this alone is so difficult to deal with, that it can cause someone to have thoughts of suicide, need to take anti-depressants and seek council, for the rest of their life- over the ordeal. 

I believe personally it's more ethical to have the child, and personally arrange parents for that child- in a responsible manner, not just giving them to the hands of the state and foster care system- as those children are often hoarded for monetary gain, by people who have no intention of giving that child the best life they could of had by any means. 

My argument is that, women who are capable of getting pregnant obviously do experience a menstrual cycle that is no more inconvenient than pregnancy would be- aka, women are *used* to dealing with an inconvenience pertaining to their biology, that you can't really get around or get rid of one way or another. 

The only time I would consider it ethical is if the person who is conceived the child is a minor, because in the realm of health, there are serious life long, consequences that a minor bearing a child can have- such as osteoporosis (bone loss). Which is painful, debilitating, and incurable. 

Women who are pregnant should be given extra rights, like alotted a longer period of paid maternity leave- giving them enough time to be with the child after it's born as an infant, etc. There should be organizations that help women get through this financially- and there already is a lot of help out there if you do your research, but in my opinion there could be more. And this would greatly discourage women from getting the abortion- and may actually *encourage* them to keep the child, because in my opinion- paid leave, sounds like something a lot of women would enjoy having. Especially if there was somewhere they could go where they had support- as not everyone has the luxury of a having family of their own, and may be supporting themselves independently. 

There should be a plan put into place that helps women who are pregnant receive all the care they need, and walk them through the process with ease. 

And this would greatly discourage abortions and make people less scared of pregnancy. 

Then, all you really have to worry about is just, the annoying cramps and pains, the results of hormonal fluctuations with the swelling and over heated and sweating, and the occasional morning sickness- and the long term effects it will have on ones physical appearance. Which, can be greatly reduced with exercise and good diet. And then the labor itself. 

and of course, taking good care of yourself and the baby as instructed by your doctor- provided to you by insurance. 

Then all you have to do, is schedule a c-section date, and make it to your regular check ups. Which, if there were good programs in place like I was talking about, then they could provide transportation and whatever you need to get through that. 

The c-section is literally *nothing* to worry about. If you're scared of the whole "labor process" it can be totally avoided by, getting put to sleep. Then you wake up, you have a scar that has to heal, and then you're done. And if you arranged a family, they literally take the baby home for you. 

You can contractually arrange to see the child a number of agreed visits on scheduled days with the family if you would like to remain in contact with the child, and you can even arrange (this is shitty in my opinion) but you can arrange legally for the family to have an agreed upon stance, on whether they will reveal to the child you are the birth mother or not. You can agree to say you are an aunt, a family friend, etc. If you prefer they didn't know their relation to you. 

And if the family you found isn't willing to agree to these terms, it's your baby, your choice- and you don't have to sign with them. You can find a family that will agree to your terms. 

It's a little bit of an inconvenience to go through but it's just such a short time of your life, and while yes, it's changing your life- a lot of people who go through with having children to admit afterward that they were so grateful they had the child, and that it put life into perspective for them in a way they didn't see it before, and it changed them in a positive way. 

I personally feel that, the way that they babies are aborted is inhumane and cruel. And weather you want to believe it is a life, a human being, or not- it's just unfair the way the procedure is done. I think it's completely unethical. 

I think when you have life growing in your womb, you are responsible for that life. I'm sorry. 

And your life, doesn't trump its life. No matter how "alive" you want to argue the child is. I think it's just another form of denial, to compare it to sperm, or an unfertilized egg, or to talk about, the date when it's heart beats. The fact of the matter is, we all know one day, it's going to be a human being. It's there, growing, and unbeknownst to it, you are taking something away its life. That person has a right to live in my opinion. 

I personally, wouldn't get an abortion over my dead body. The grief alone, living with the fact I did something like that, would wear on me in an unimaginable way. And people who don't think that it even will effect them afterward emotionally, will be surprised at how affect they are, and those that have done it admit they absolutely regretted it and felt horrible about it, and like I said, went into deep depression and had to seek counseling and anti-depressant medication. 

I think just like you are given a drivers license and a car, you are legally responsible for what you do with that car, you are legally responsible to drive within legal limitations and, under insurance, and with a drivers license. 

I think you are given a womb, that is fertile, you are legally responsible for what you do with that womb, to take care of it within legal limitations, under the guise of what is ethical, and just. 

People are angry because they want to say it's about women's rights, and about the freedom of choice. You also have the choice to get birth control. You have the choice, to have sex in a safe way. You have a choice to wait until the time is right, where you are equipped and ready to have a child. You have a choice, to have a child, and give it to someone else equipped and ready to have children. You have the choice to donate your eggs, you have the choice to do what you will with your uterus. 

If they made birth control illegal, and also abortion illegal- then it's a women's rights issue. 

But this isn't a women's rights issue, this is a human rights issue. This isn't about women, it's about human life, and how we are consciously choosing to value it, within the realm of ethics and reason. 

There is also a theory that it was made illegal for statistical reasons pertaining to specific political agendas. If this were the case, why is birth control still legal? But, even if this were true, I still believe it's just immoral the way that these children are murdered.

It lacks empathy for human life, and our system of law has always sworn to be against that. So why should it change now. Abortion is a depravity of these values that the law upholds in the court, pertaining to the rights of human life. 

call doctor deletus he'll annihilate your fetus

Blanc said: 

 

 The only time I would consider it ethical is if the person who is conceived the child is a minor

 What if the baby has some fucked up debilitating syndrome or is heavily malformed?

There are certain medical diagnoses that should be on "the list" of grounds for the parents having choice to abort the child, and they talk at length about the implications of the Childs in utero diagnosis with a doctor. 

There are children born with fatal x syndrome, that a lot people don't want. I know personally a family that sought medical treatment for their baby born with fatal x, and they value her just the same as a parent would value any other child, they see them by no means as a burden, and the child has far beyond out lived her projected life expectancy in utero (7 years). 

I watched a documentary on a woman who, was a devout catholic, a married woman who was purposefully trying for a child with her husband for years, who unfortunately conceived a child that was diagnosed with brain anencephaly, which is basically when the child's brain never forms- they are born brain dead, and are not expected to live but minutes outside the womb. 

She chose to have the child, because she loved him, and although the child only lived for a short time, she greatly valued this time with her son and felt a close connection him during the small, but still very precious life he had. She feels that it allowed her to more healthily grieve the loss of her son, knowing she could spend just those few minutes with him, and she did see him open his eyes, and take a breath, and felt the warmth of his skin, and listened to his heart beat. Rather than, disposing of him as if he was waste.

I personally feel, just to be clear, that autism should not be on that list. As once again, it's unethical to discriminate people with disabilities as grounds for elimination. And, people with autism are still life to very much valued and cared for, and some people with autism are capable of things that neurotypicals simply are not. But regardless, all have something to add, to humanity as a whole. 

It's not up to us to start deciding, who's allowed to be a part of it, and who isn't. It's mass genocide, it's extermination of our own kind. And the worst way, the mass extermination of innocent children. Disgusting. 

Would you take a group of 40,000 4 year old children, and begin chopping away at them piece by piece, with metal tools? And it's totally okay with you, because, the mothers chose to put them there. Right? They didn't want them anyway, right? 

four year olds. 

If you wouldn't hurt a child or a baby out of the womb, why would you vote for it, to be done in the womb? How could you give anyone the right to do such heinous things, at such a massive scale? How could you live with yourself knowing you permitted that. 

Blanc said: 

It's not up to us to start deciding, who's allowed to be a part of it, and who isn't. It's mass genocide, it's extermination of our own kind. And the worst way, the mass extermination of innocent children. Disgusting. 

If a baby is born without a brain, nature already decided it should not be part of it though. I don't think the choice belongs to the parents anymore.