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To you a pic they haven't personally shared is fair game to be posted cos it's still for example their face?  

Yes, it's how we settled on handling it for years. 

If they've posted their own face, then typically other photos of their face isn't revealing more about that face than has already been shown. 

This is in the other topic too by the way, like, in triplicate with examples and everything. 

You're contradicitng yourself. You removed pics of her face in the past after she posted her own face on the forum and now you're saying that goes against some policy. 

She hadn't posted herself on the forum, she'd only shown herself in PMs back then. 

Nope. That's not true at all. She had posted her own pics AND she even had the pics she posted on her own removed by mods afer the fact and Mee kept re-posting them aka socks and sandals, along with other gems. 

If Med has ever posted herself on the forum instead of through just PMs leading to other people reposting it, then no one ever told me and just let it go on even as I narrated the situation. 

As far as I knew she'd never posted herself. 

I don't know how you missed it. She even posted her pics in chat to show off her fashion sense. 

How'd other people miss it as well..? 

You're the only one bringing up this piece of history. It's a great piece of history if it's true but why are you the only one who seems to remember it? Can you prove it? 

Did everyone miss it?

And why are you the only mod that remembers this "rule" you say we agreed to? Can you prove it was a rule?

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spite said: 

Yeah, she'd even link to her personal Instagram page all the time in pretty active discord servers lol.

But was it on the forum? 

No, just wanted to point out it's not out of character for her to do these things. 

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To you a pic they haven't personally shared is fair game to be posted cos it's still for example their face?  

Yes, it's how we settled on handling it for years. 

If they've posted their own face, then typically other photos of their face isn't revealing more about that face than has already been shown. 

This is in the other topic too by the way, like, in triplicate with examples and everything. 

You're contradicitng yourself. You removed pics of her face in the past after she posted her own face on the forum and now you're saying that goes against some policy. 

She hadn't posted herself on the forum, she'd only shown herself in PMs back then. 

Nope. That's not true at all. She had posted her own pics AND she even had the pics she posted on her own removed by mods afer the fact and Mee kept re-posting them aka socks and sandals, along with other gems. 

If Med has ever posted herself on the forum instead of through just PMs leading to other people reposting it, then no one ever told me and just let it go on even as I narrated the situation. 

As far as I knew she'd never posted herself. 

I don't know how you missed it. She even posted her pics in chat to show off her fashion sense. 

How'd other people miss it as well..? 

You're the only one bringing up this piece of history. It's a great piece of history if it's true but why are you the only one who seems to remember it? Can you prove it? 

Did everyone miss it?

They never brought up that she did that with me until now, even with me reciting why things did and didn't have to be taken down. 

I asked, and further in asked for if you had proof. It being true is interesting for this case. 

And why are you the only mod that remembers this "rule" you say we agreed to? Can you prove it was a rule?

Others have remembered the rule as well..?

It's been cited without my help. 

Edit: You know, a lot of these points have been in the other topic too. 

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spite said: 

Yeah, she'd even link to her personal Instagram page all the time in pretty active discord servers lol.

But was it on the forum? 

No, just wanted to point out it's not out of character for her to do these things. 

Oh well yeah her character's not in question, but this is a matter of rules lawyering based on old agreements. 

If this actual event happened then it's a determining factor. 

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So does this mean tc can still use the pixelated gif

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To you a pic they haven't personally shared is fair game to be posted cos it's still for example their face?  

Yes, it's how we settled on handling it for years. 

If they've posted their own face, then typically other photos of their face isn't revealing more about that face than has already been shown. 

This is in the other topic too by the way, like, in triplicate with examples and everything. 

You're contradicitng yourself. You removed pics of her face in the past after she posted her own face on the forum and now you're saying that goes against some policy. 

She hadn't posted herself on the forum, she'd only shown herself in PMs back then. 

Nope. That's not true at all. She had posted her own pics AND she even had the pics she posted on her own removed by mods afer the fact and Mee kept re-posting them aka socks and sandals, along with other gems. 

If Med has ever posted herself on the forum instead of through just PMs leading to other people reposting it, then no one ever told me and just let it go on even as I narrated the situation. 

As far as I knew she'd never posted herself. 

I don't know how you missed it. She even posted her pics in chat to show off her fashion sense. 

How'd other people miss it as well..? 

You're the only one bringing up this piece of history. It's a great piece of history if it's true but why are you the only one who seems to remember it? Can you prove it? 

Did everyone miss it?

They never brought up that she did that with me until now, even with me reciting why things did and didn't have to be taken down. 

I asked, and further in asked for if you had proof. It being true is interesting for this case. 

And why are you the only mod that remembers this "rule" you say we agreed to? Can you prove it was a rule?

Others have remembered the rule as well..?

It's been cited without my help. 

Edit: You know, a lot of these points have been in the other topic too. 

 The other mods - Inq and Tony - don't seem to remember it? And you are in fact publicly claiming (in the other topic) that they are now changing rules.

Can you state the rule again in your own words (so I can be sure I understand it). Then tell me who else remembers it? 

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So does this mean tc can still use the pixelated gif

  I don't even see how this is an issue since you can't make out her face. 

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Yes, it's how we settled on handling it for years. 

If they've posted their own face, then typically other photos of their face isn't revealing more about that face than has already been shown. 

This is in the other topic too by the way, like, in triplicate with examples and everything. 

You're contradicitng yourself. You removed pics of her face in the past after she posted her own face on the forum and now you're saying that goes against some policy. 

She hadn't posted herself on the forum, she'd only shown herself in PMs back then. 

Nope. That's not true at all. She had posted her own pics AND she even had the pics she posted on her own removed by mods afer the fact and Mee kept re-posting them aka socks and sandals, along with other gems. 

If Med has ever posted herself on the forum instead of through just PMs leading to other people reposting it, then no one ever told me and just let it go on even as I narrated the situation. 

As far as I knew she'd never posted herself. 

I don't know how you missed it. She even posted her pics in chat to show off her fashion sense. 

How'd other people miss it as well..? 

You're the only one bringing up this piece of history. It's a great piece of history if it's true but why are you the only one who seems to remember it? Can you prove it? 

Did everyone miss it?

They never brought up that she did that with me until now, even with me reciting why things did and didn't have to be taken down. 

I asked, and further in asked for if you had proof. It being true is interesting for this case. 

And why are you the only mod that remembers this "rule" you say we agreed to? Can you prove it was a rule?

Others have remembered the rule as well..?

It's been cited without my help. 

Edit: You know, a lot of these points have been in the other topic too. 

The other mods - Inq and Tony - don't seem to remember it? And you are in fact publicly claiming (in the other topic) that they are now changing rules.

That's just two people, two people who were modded at later points long past the establishing topics (not really their fault if they forget those topics when it wasn't their responsibility yet when they were being discussed for pages on and off) this is about what the forum remembers. 

Even their characters and traits aside (and how prone both of them are to TLDR), this doesn't really mean anything more than questioning why any other two users might not remember it. 

Can you state the rule again in your own words (so I can be sure I understand it). Then tell me who else remembers it? 

I literally did this in the other topic, in a size 14 font, on the first page as my second post in the topic. 

There's even quotes on this forum that are fairly searchable of people referencing the clause, and other than this super useful Med revelation on your part it's been like 90% redundant. These discussions weren't some conspiracy, they did happen, and they were exhausting

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I think you're trying to make a case based on what You remember and how you interpreted things, which people have interpreted differently

"Down on Request if it does not reveal more than you've shown of yourself."

This is really about what the community wants. The community decides. I've summarized the comments from those who have responded in both threads below to recap:

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Inq: The way I have interpreted the dox rule is that people can always request pictures of themselves to be taken down even if they've posted a similar picture before (just as long as it's not the exact same one). I don't think you can say two pictures are equivalent from a dox-risk perspective just because they both happen to look reasonably similar.

Sturm: Everything Inq said has been my understanding too, I think it a good policy. I don’t think our discussion is about changing the dox rule, the title seems dramatic lol but it’s a good attention grabber. It’s more about what we believe it already is. Perhaps Inq and I are wrong, idk but this has been our interpretation.

Lena: My understanding of the dox rule was: If it is your dox, you may request a mod to take the dox down. The dox was open to be anything covering pictures, addresses, phone numbers, social media of that particular person.

Lena part 2: I think you should totes have images that *you* did not post here or in discord taken down upon request

Med: ^ Agreed

Good: If a specific photo is posted by someone on SC by themselves, it becomes a non-dox photo.

if this photo is reposted by others while its a non-dox the reposts are also non-dox

if ever all instances of this photo in its non-dox state are somehow deleted (even those posted by others), then this photo is now a dox and can be requested to be removed if reposted again.

Ofc if another photo, even if showing the same body part/s, is posted by others, it is a dox.

Sugar: also since when is it up to the person who has doxxed someone else to decide if that person's dox gets removed? med asked for her pics to be deleted, it doesn't matter if lena didn't want that. the pics were of med.

Cain: But my thoughts are; 

1) if you post on sc, and the image is reposted; that's fair.

2) you post on discord (even sc discord), and the image is reposted; not fair

3) nudes, sex videos, other personals, follow same rules as #1

Cain part 2:  Likeness? Who gives a fuck about likeness?

If it's the actual user in the pic I what is relevant. 

And image source; where the image is from matters. (Can reverse image search etc for information leak type dox

Tony: Long story short, the mods aren't considering making any changes to the rules. Personally I think along the same lines as Cain mentioned in this thread. 

Alice: I don't think doxing is bad and should be allowed and requests to remove doxes should be respected. 

Who's camp does that land me in? 

Billy: i agree, each additional picture here gives more data to doxers. This is logical.

mods should respect the wishes of the user and remove the pictures.

Blanc: you should have a right to delete your own posts, edit your own posts, and take down any photos you want. 

you should be allowed to terminate your account and it would erase everything you ever posted as well, including quotations. 

 and if someone else posted information that was sensitive, private, or photos that were sensitive private or doxxing in anyway, they should have the right to have that take down within 24 hours, including links, or doxxing social media. 

 and if they're posting it in the public chat the user should be banned 

 we have to respect people's right to privacy and we don't own the information they post, the photos they post etc. it's theirs and their right what they do with it and always their say. 

Honey:  If someone posts a pic of themself if if fair game to be reppsted by anybody. If someone else gets a picture of them, from their social media for example, and posts it it could be taken down by request because that information (picture) could dox their entire identity.

 If a picture is posted that was not posted by the user in the picture, but it has been altered in a way that reverse search engines dont recognize and linkbto the original, it is now new information. If a user has already posted their face, untraceable other photos of their face are fair game that do not lead to other information about them

Spite: But everyone has pictures of themselves out there someone else posted that they can't remove even if they wanted to. That's just life. Remove those from here. This covers business stuff like Cadaver, photos that friends and family post, etc. Things you have no personal control over. Mods will have to use their judgment to decide if this is actually the case for whatever image is in question, because I'm sure someone will lie and say it's a company photo or a family member's photo when it's not. Just leave people who aren't browsing SC out of it. Otherwise you're probably driving people away. 

Jim: No you faggots this is SC not a normie discord server / dox removal = ddos

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