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it isn't easy to assume at all, you're acting like he's some established career politician with even a basic understanding of politics, economics or international relations. he's a businessman who has never held office before running for president, so i would assume, like most of what i see from him, that it was a disorganized nonsensical rant.

they said he referred to ISIS as communists, and all three are credible, intelligent and not proven liars. has he even denied saying that, or did u just decide that's what he meant? it's actually more like an enabling parent making excuses for their spoiled child's awful behavior lmao 

AliceInWonderland said:
I invite you to keep trying though, I know you'll come up with a tangible thought eventually.

 Scratch that. 

 thanks, i knew i'd get through to you eventually

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it isn't easy to assume at all, you're acting like he's some established career politician with even a basic understanding of politics, economics or international relations. he's a businessman who has never held office before running for president, so i would assume, like most of what i see from him, that it was a disorganized nonsensical rant.

they said he referred to ISIS as communists, and all three are credible, intelligent and not proven liars. has he even denied saying that, or did u just decide that's what he meant? it's actually more like an enabling parent making excuses for their spoiled child's awful behavior lmao 

AliceInWonderland said:
I invite you to keep trying though, I know you'll come up with a tangible thought eventually.

 Scratch that. 

 I was actually expecting sugar to be emotional and ad hominem about this since shes BPD. I thought you were a rational and poised woman which is a rare thing, sad to see this.

2:48Spatial Mind The guy was sticking his dick in an infants mouth, it was so fucking disturbing
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Billy said: 
Billy said: 

why jim is no longer contributing to this thread

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-50053526

Mainly because those who dare to disagree with the national discourse of the military operation face criminal charges.

Legal action has been taken against nearly 80 social media users who criticised the operation. They are accused of "inciting hatred and engaging in terror propaganda".

Many Twitter accounts belonging to Kurdish activists and journalists are blocked in Turkey.

 Nah, most turkish officials dont understand turkish anyway. But I really support this operation because the turds are threatening the integrity of both Syria and Turkey now.

looks like not supporting would be a crime. so good job covering your ass

Is this your way of coping with me supporting it? I am behind it due to nationalism, not fear.

 is this nationalism or tribalism? are these Kurds really terrorist? or is this just an excuse for a long tribal war?

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Billy said: 
Billy said: 
Billy said: 

why jim is no longer contributing to this thread

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-50053526

Mainly because those who dare to disagree with the national discourse of the military operation face criminal charges.

Legal action has been taken against nearly 80 social media users who criticised the operation. They are accused of "inciting hatred and engaging in terror propaganda".

Many Twitter accounts belonging to Kurdish activists and journalists are blocked in Turkey.

 Nah, most turkish officials dont understand turkish anyway. But I really support this operation because the turds are threatening the integrity of both Syria and Turkey now.

looks like not supporting would be a crime. so good job covering your ass

Is this your way of coping with me supporting it? I am behind it due to nationalism, not fear.

 is this nationalism or tribalism? are these Kurds really terrorist? or is this just an excuse for a long tribal war?

 What is the difference between a nation and a tribe beyond some lines on a map?  The kurds abandoned all appearances of legitimacy and state building rights when they shot at turkish army soldiers from Rojava before the invasion and providing support to PKK.

Turkey had no interest in Rojava and Northern Kurdistan (even Erdogan said on tv if you want kurdistan go to north syria lol) until they started providing personnel and armament support to PKK. When you come to my side of the fence I will feel entitled to shit in yours.

2:48Spatial Mind The guy was sticking his dick in an infants mouth, it was so fucking disturbing
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Russia's gonna swoop in and take all the easy pickings now that the mutts have left, kek. Looks like Putin won this season 

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Billy said: 
Billy said: 
Billy said: 

why jim is no longer contributing to this thread

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-50053526

Mainly because those who dare to disagree with the national discourse of the military operation face criminal charges.

Legal action has been taken against nearly 80 social media users who criticised the operation. They are accused of "inciting hatred and engaging in terror propaganda".

Many Twitter accounts belonging to Kurdish activists and journalists are blocked in Turkey.

 Nah, most turkish officials dont understand turkish anyway. But I really support this operation because the turds are threatening the integrity of both Syria and Turkey now.

looks like not supporting would be a crime. so good job covering your ass

Is this your way of coping with me supporting it? I am behind it due to nationalism, not fear.

 are these Kurds really terrorist? or is this just an excuse for a long tribal war?

The PKK is recognized as a terrorist group by the Turkey, U.S., and the EU. 

Whether you agree with the designation is up to you.

U.S. Foreign Terrorist Organization(FTO) Guidelines

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The YPG, who changed their name to SDF in in 2015, is overseen by the Kurdish Supreme Committee and Democratic Union Party which spun off the PKK in 2003

The PKK has been very active since 2015 after tensions over the Siege of Kobani broke down negotiations. 

Below is from crisesgroup (Fun fact: This organization got its initial seed funding from Soros)

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Human Rights Violations (if you care about that sorta thing)

Human Rights Watch

HRW said:
Yekîneyên Parastina Gel (YPG) and Asayish
Human Rights Watch reported on human rights violations committed in Kurdish-controlled areas of Syria, including the recruitment and use of children, in June 2014. Since assuming power in 2012, the YPG and the Asayish, the police arm of the PYD, have deployed boys and girls at checkpoints and on bases in all three areas under their control: Jazira, Ain al-`Arab, and `Afrin.

In December 2013, YPG General Command issued an order that prohibited children under age 18 from participating in the YPG. The order stated that those in violation will be held “strictly accountable.”[101] This reiterated the prohibition on child recruitment in article 5.2 of the YPG’s internal regulations, which states that YPG members must be 18 or older.

YPG spokesman, Redul Xelil, told Human Rights Watch that the YPG had implemented the order by removing from military operations 17 people under age 18, instead assigning them tasks in media, education or political training centers. In a February 2014 meeting, Xelil said that no YPG members had been disciplined for having violated the regulations of the December order.[102]

Asayish internal regulations in article 7.2 also forbid individuals under 18 from joining the police force. Head of internal security in Jezira, Kanan Barakat, who supervises the Asayish there, said on February 9, 2014, that the force previously enlisted children but that practice changed “four or five months ago.” He said that currently all Asayish members had to be over 25 and there are no children in the force.[103]

However, during a visit to Jazira in February 2014, Human Rights Watch found continued evidence of child participation in both the YPG and Asayish. Researchers interviewed a 16-year-old boy who said he had been in the YPG since the previous year, the mother of a 13-year-old boy who joined in December 2013, and the brother of a 17-year-old who joined in January 2014.

The 16 year old, Arhat, told Human Rights Watch he joined at age 15 after going to YPG meetings at local youth centers, where YPG members spoke to him and other children. “They would talk to us about the Kurdish situation and explain the importance of defending the [Kurdish] nation,” he said. “It is our choice to join. … My mom and dad were against it and said no but I wanted to.”[104]

Arhat said he went to a YPG base to register with his real name and age, and the YPG allowed him to join. He received weapons training and has since worked at checkpoints, and been sent to places where there have been explosions to conduct investigations after the fact. “In the morning I go to school and then I go to serve,” he said.

A woman in Qamishli said her 13-year-old son had joined the YPG in December 2013 without her knowledge after spending time at a PYD youth center.[105] A Kurdish man from Amuda said his 17-year-old brother had joined the YPG in January 2014. The man said his brother had left home without informing the family of his intentions:

He disappeared and for three days my parents searched for him everywhere, including police stations and security branches, but they didn’t find him. On the fourth day a YPG official, not high ranking, came to my parent’s house and told them that he had joined the YPG.[106]

Human Rights Watch also spoke to two girls, both aged 17, who were armed and guarding Asayish checkpoints in Malikiyah and near the Semelka (Faysh Khabour)border crossing with KRG. The Faysh Khabour guard said she had worked with the Asayish for more than two years.

 Child soldiers and the YPG

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At the end of the day, Trump literally (and unilaterally) changed the potential dynamics in the region with a pen stroke. His sudden move to pull US special troops out of Northern Syria green lit the invasion by Turkey, has killed thousands of Kurds, allowed for the release of ISIS prisoners, enabled a land grab of lost territory for Assad, and opened the door for Russian and Iran involvement back in the region.

There are 14-18,000 ISIS fighters free in the region and with the prisoners escape there could be over 30,000 ISIS members, which constitutes a serious threat all over again. It’s a literal waste of all the efforts to defeat them.

 

This guy's out of touch with reality and has no grasp of the situation or what he’s unleashed in the region beyond Syria. 

  • He has opened up a land bridge for Iran to bring weapons into the region and that could potentially lead to an attack on Israel -  a huge risk. He’s essentially empowered Iran – a country that the US is supposedly battling over their nuclear program.

  • He’s empowered Turkey, which has not been a good NATO ally on this. (Reports say Turkey has fired on US soldiers.) They have no respect for the US. And the US “sanctions” on Turkey are a joke. The Turkish stock market went up the next day. Lol!

  • And he has given Russia a major role in the middle east that they never had before and always aspired to have. Many countries in the region are now recalibrating who they should trust and align with. It's a disaster. 

 He’s given Turkey, Russia and Iran a win. 

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Xadem said: 

Russia's gonna swoop in and take all the easy pickings now that the mutts have left, kek. Looks like Putin won this season 

This is the obvious meme but does it reflect reality?

I say no.

Turkey has just achieved a new level of hegemony and this is an actual threat to Russia because Turkey has proven it can now project its interests in the region(same region Russia has interests) without much consequence from NATO, EU, and US (constraints implicate the lack of consequences). 

The Turkish economy and military is on par with Russias' for the most part and Turkey has a better position logistically, hence it can more effectively project power in the region. 

Erdogan just did what is known as a pro-gamer move. 

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At the end of the day, Trump literally (and unilaterally) changed the potential dynamics in the region with a pen stroke. His sudden move to pull US special troops out of Northern Syria green lit the invasion by Turkey, has killed thousands of Kurds, allowed for the release of ISIS prisoners, enabled a land grab of lost territory for Assad, and opened the door for Russian and Iran involvement back in the region.

There are 14-18,000 ISIS fighters free in the region and with the prisoners escape there could be over 30,000 ISIS members, which constitutes a serious threat all over again. It’s a literal waste of all the efforts to defeat them.

 

This guy's out of touch with reality and has no grasp of the situation or what he’s unleashed in the region beyond Syria. 

  • He has opened up a land bridge for Iran to bring weapons into the region and that could potentially lead to an attack on Israel -  a huge risk. He’s essentially empowered Iran – a country that the US is supposedly battling over their nuclear program.

  • He’s empowered Turkey, which has not been a good NATO ally on this. (Reports say Turkey has fired on US soldiers.) They have no respect for the US. And the US “sanctions” on Turkey are a joke. The Turkish stock market went up the next day. Lol!

  • And he has given Russia a major role in the middle east that they never had before and always aspired to have. Many countries in the region are now recalibrating who they should trust and align with. It's a disaster. 

 He’s given Turkey, Russia and Iran a win. 

been wondering why you and Inq bailed on this thread, happy to see your input. even if i dont agree with some of it. its always good to see anothers position.

no doubt Trump has failed at political diplomacy. hes a narc billionaire

that said, im wondering if your emotional Trump bias might be causing you (and others) to lean away or disregard some of the facts.

from Trumps letter, no green light. "dont be a tough guy, dont be a fool". Turkey's invasion into Syria is nobodies fault but Turkey. this is a long tribal war due to the stateless nation of the Kurds and does not involve the US.

the US has been criticized for meddling and now is being criticized for not meddling. time to take care of things at home. i doubt there ever would have been a good time to leave Syria, time for others to take over.

so for now, the US will take the "not meddling" criticism. i suggest others in NATO get to meddling if they want change. i do not support the US as the police force of the world. i would rather my tax money be spent closer to home

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I'm really ignorant about all of this. So who has the moral high-ground this time? US? Turkey? Europe?

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