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The U.S. sanctions Turkey and the EU suspends weapons exports.

EU finds agreement on Turkey

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The bloc's foreign ministers pledged to suspend weapons exports to Turkey in response to an incursion into northern Syria, but stopped short of implementing a formal EU-wide arms embargo. They also condemned Turkey's "military action" in Syria and Ankara's drilling for oil and gas off the coast of Cyprus.

But the consensus was delayed by Turkey's old ally, the U.K., which wanted softer language, much to the annoyance of Federica Mogherini, the EU's outgoing foreign policy chief, and her successor Josep Borrell, according to three diplomats.

All other EU countries backed the tougher stance, with Dutch Foreign Minister Stef Blok saying that “without condemnation this paper will be useless," one of the diplomats said.

But in the end, London caved and the condemnation was made public, as was an extra line of text stressing that “Turkey is a key partner of the European Union.”

Some diplomats from EU member states were surprised that the often divided Foreign Affairs Council found any sort of unity and was able to agree that EU countries will “commit to strong national positions regarding their arms export policy to Turkey.” That's not quite an EU-wide arms embargo. “We have left to member states the commitment to do it because this can be done with immediate effect,” Luigi Di Maio, the foreign minister of Italy, told reporters at the end of the meeting.

The impact is expected to be the same as a ban. Member states will no longer sell weapons to Turkey and there will be no need for long, technical meetings at EU level in order to put in place an embargo, diplomats say. Germany, France, Finland, Sweden and the Netherlands have already brought in their own bans.

The move came after Turkey launched an incursion into northern Syria last week in a bid to drive Syrian Kurdish fighters, whom Ankara considers to be terrorists, away from the Syrian-Turkish border. The operation has already displaced some 100,000 people, according to the United Nations.

It is also a reaction to criticism that the EU has little leverage when dealing with Turkey — the bloc relies on Ankara to help manage migration — and that without military power, the EU cannot properly defend its interests.

“The U.S withdrawal from Syria and the Turkish offensive have once again demonstrated Europe’s geopolitical weakness,” liberal MEP Guy Verhofstadt said in a tweet. Turkey and Russia “decide on our safety. Europe must take its destiny into its own hands by building a real Defense Union.”

Drilling decision
The EU foreign ministers also agreed that “a framework regime" of "restrictive measures" targeting those "responsible for or involved in the illegal drilling activity of hydrocarbons in the Eastern Mediterranean is put in place,” inviting Mogherini and the Commission “to swiftly present proposals to this effect.”

Turkey responded late on Monday, with its foreign ministry issuing a statement condemning the EU's decisions on both the drilling activity and the Syria incursion.

"It is unacceptable that the EU displays a protective approach towards terrorist elements," the foreign ministry said, adding: "We invite the EU ... to self-criticism and common sense regarding their responsibilities on the course of today’s events."

The foreign ministry also called EU plans to draw up a sanctions framework over Turkey's drilling off Cyprus "totally unacceptable," adding that the EU had become a "hostage of the Greek side on the Cyprus issue" and was "disregarding" Turkish Cypriots.

The statement concluded: "We will seriously reconsider our cooperation with the EU on certain areas due to its unlawful and biased stance."

EU leaders are expected to discuss Turkey at a summit in Brussels on Thursday, where they will debate the overall line to take with Ankara.

On Sunday, the Syrian Kurds struck a deal with the Moscow-backed Syrian regime of President Bashar al-Assad, handing over control of several towns in exchange for protection from Turkey.

That's prompted concern among Ankara's allies over a potential confrontation between Syrian forces and Turkey, a NATO member.

“Turkey is part of NATO and since this morning there is a coalition between Assad and the Kurds. This means that a NATO member [Turkey] will stand against Assad who is still the de facto president of Syria,” said Luxembourg's Foreign Minister Jean Asselborn on his way into Monday's meeting.

Ankara, for its part, has shrugged off any concerns, with President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan saying that Russia has shown a "positive approach."

Asselborn also criticized the U.S. decision to withdraw its troops from the area, which in effect green-lighted the Turkish military operation. “We are facing a phenomenon that has appeared following Erdoğan's talks with [U.S. President Donald] Trump and [Russian President Vladimir] Putin and was given the green light,” he said.

On the insistence of France, the EU ministers urged Washington to call for “a ministerial meeting of the International Coalition against Daesh [the Arabic acronym for Islamic State] in order to address how to pursue its efforts in the current context.”

The U.S., meanwhile, issued sanctions on Turkey on Monday, doubling steel tariffs and canceling negotiations for a trade deal. It also slapped sanctions on the Turkish defense and energy ministries, as well as the ministers for defense, energy and interior.

NATO unease
The situation along the Turkish-Syrian border poses real problems for NATO, which finds itself obligated to support Turkey, as a member of the alliance, even as other allies, including the European Union, criticize Ankara.

In her final press conference in Luxembourg, Mogherini pointed out NATO's discomfort. She said that being part of the alliance is not a problem for the EU members who are also part of NATO but “that it might be complicated for NATO to handle a situation like this.”

And it is.

NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg said Monday that he recognizes Turkey’s “legitimate security concerns” but also called on Erdoğan “to act with restraint and in coordination with other allies” to avoid undermining NATO’s efforts in recent years to fight the Islamic State.

“Turkey has legitimate security concerns,” Stoltenberg said in London, where he addressed a meeting of the NATO parliamentary assembly. “No other ally has suffered more terrorist attacks. No other ally is more exposed to the instability, violence and turmoil from the Middle East. And no other ally hosts so many refugees from Syria.”

“Nevertheless,” he continued, “I expect Turkey to act with restraint and in coordination with other allies so that we can preserve the gains we have made against our common enemy — Daesh [ISIS]. A few years ago, Daesh controlled significant territory in Iraq and Syria. Working together in the Global Coalition, we have liberated all this territory and millions of people. These gains must not be jeopardized.”

 thats some weak shit from the EU. WTF

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"Russia has said it will not allow clashes between Turkish and Syrian forces, as Turkey's military offensive in northern Syria continues.

"This would simply be unacceptable... and therefore we will not allow it, of course," said Moscow's special envoy for Syria, Alexander Lavrentyev."

 

big brother is stepping in

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-50058859

 

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Billy said: 

"Russia has said it will not allow clashes between Turkish and Syrian forces, as Turkey's military offensive in northern Syria continues.

"This would simply be unacceptable... and therefore we will not allow it, of course," said Moscow's special envoy for Syria, Alexander Lavrentyev."

 

big brother is stepping in

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-50058859

 

Russia getting involved was the natural next step, unfortunately they do not have the logistics or resources to manage something like this alone. 

 

Let's hope between U.S. sanctions and Russian posturing it'll be enough for the Turks to back down.

No guarantee's though as Russia is the last country Turkey wants to submit to given they are their number one competitor other than Israel in the region. 

 

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Officials are reviewing plans to evacuate up to 50 U.S. nuclear bombs that have long been stored at Incirlik Air Base in Turkey in the wake of Ankara's military offensive in northern Syria, according to a report. The weapons are now essentially "hostage" to Turkish leader Recep Tayyip Erdogan, a senior official told The New York Times on Monday.

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The Cold War-era B61 nuclear bombs are said to be 100-250 miles from the Syrian border, according to The Guardian. A former U.S. official told the outlet that Turkish diplomats responded to suggestions about moving the bombs by saying Turkey would start to develop its own. "The potential problems have been discussed for over a decade," the former official said. "And now we’ve finally gotten to a point where this is a problem that we can’t ignore anymore."
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The U.S. and other NATO members need to reevaluate "Nuclear Sharing" policy as a whole. 

Turkey ‘effectively holding 50 US nuclear bombs hostage’ at air base amid Syria invasion

 

Independent said:
An estimated 50 US nuclear bombs are effectively being held hostage in Turkey as Washington attempts to find a diplomatic way of responding to the country’s invasion of Syria, officials are reported to have warned.

The withdrawal of American troops from northern Syria – creating a power vacuum that has allowed Turkey and Russia to move into the region and displace Washington’s Kurdish allies – has caused international outcry.

And as even his supporters accuse the White House of betraying its allies, Donald Trump has been forced to escalate his opposition to Turkey’s Recep Tayyip Erdogan, threatening to “destroy” his counterpart's economy and contract America’s alliance with Ankara.

However, the rapid pace of withdrawal and the tumultuous decline of relations between the two countries has left administration officials scrambling to find a plan for the nuclear weapons stored under American control at the shared Incirlik Air Base in south east Turkey, reports said.

Officials from the State Department and Energy Department, which manages Washington's nuclear arsenal, met at the weekend to consider how they might retrieve an estimated fifty tactical nuclear weapons held at the site, according to The New York Times.

One official told the paper the bombs were now effectively Mr Erdogan’s hostages. It is feared that removing the weapons could signal the end of relations between the Nato allies, while leaving them in place could put the weapons of mass destruction at risk.

The conundrum comes just a month after Mr Erdogan said it was “unacceptable” that Turkey was not allowed its own supply of the weapons under the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty the country signed in 1980.

A phone call between Mr Trump and Mr Erdogan last week, and the US president's subsequent decision to withdraw from Syria after clearing out Isis-held territory, is said to have been described as an “off script” moment by American diplomats.

After announcing the removal of troops to end America’s “endless wars”, Mr Trump has been forced to repeatedly ramp up his rhetoric towards Turkey, calling for a ceasefire and slapping sanctions on top officials.

But this does not appear to have stopped the Turkish campaign. Instead Ankara has continued into the north of Syria to claim territory and target Kurdish militias who have been forced to side with America’s enemies in the Syrian government to avoid complete destruction.

In the process the Kurds have abandoned prisons holding Isis terrorists, with hundreds escaping in the first few days of the assault.

The UN has said that tens of thousands of people have been displaced so far. Reports suggest dozens have died amid accusations of war crimes.

Meanwhile Russia has been able to assert its dominance in parts of the country previously secured by the US, stepping into the void left by the country to serve as a power broker between Turkey and Syria.

Following the withdrawal, the chair of the US Senate’s armed services committee Jack Reed said: “This president keeps blindsiding our military and diplomatic leaders and partners with impulsive moves like this that benefit Russia and authoritarian regimes.

“If this president were serious about ending wars and winning peace, he’d actually articulate a strategy that would protect against a re-emergence of Isis and provide for the safety of our Syrian partners.

“But he has repeatedly failed to do that. Instead, this is another example of Donald Trump creating chaos, undermining US interests, and benefiting Russia and the Assad regime.”

 

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the us military evacuated very hastily from their base in Manbij. at the base left a lot of personal belongings of American soldiers. now this base is captured by the Syrian Arab Army.

SAA soldier speaks Russian. :)

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Playing politics instead of focusing on the true dilemma. ISIS ISIS ISIS! We are entitled to respect! The president is shaken! Pass the bill! Did I mention the president had a meltdown? 

My favorite part: "He said ISIS are communists and you might like that" 

I guess they don't know that the PKK is a communist regime and this is what Trump is refering too...he's not talking about ISIS lol.

I really hope these three know that the PKK is communist and just trying to make Trump look bad. I honestly would rather a malicious lie than ignorance. 

Regardless, the U.S. on both sides (Trump included) miss-characterizing this situation is the actual danger. 

Imo getting nukes out of Turkey and focusing on assets that are actual interests to the U.S. are far more critical than ISIS who has pretty much been crushed. 

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Dima79 said: 

the us military evacuated very hastily from their base in Manbij. at the base left a lot of personal belongings of American soldiers. now this base is captured by the Syrian Arab Army.

SAA soldier speaks Russian. :)

 they wanted to get home to their girlfriends :)

 

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Playing politics instead of focusing on the true dilemma. ISIS ISIS ISIS! We are entitled to respect! The president is shaken! Pass the bill! Did I mention the president had a meltdown? 

My favorite part: "He said ISIS are communists and you might like that" 

I guess they don't know that the PKK is a communist regime and this is what Trump is refering too...he's not talking about ISIS lol.

I really hope these three know that the PKK is communist and just trying to make Trump look bad. I honestly would rather a malicious lie than ignorance. 

Regardless, the U.S. on both sides (Trump included) miss-characterizing this situation is the actual danger. 

Imo getting nukes out of Turkey and focusing on assets that are actual interests to the U.S. are far more critical than ISIS who has pretty much been crushed. 

 agreed, wtf are US nukes doing in Turkey?. tfw your NATO member goes rouge.. hahahahaa

 

Trump warns Erdogan in letter

But "why are we protecting Syria's land?" Trump asked, adding that the war-torn country "doesn't want Turkey to take its land. But what does that have to do with the United States of America?"

Trump said, "Let's work out a good deal!"

History "will look upon you forever as the devil if good things don't happen," the president wrote. "Don't be a tough guy. Don't be a fool!"

"You don't want to be responsible for slaughtering thousands of people, and I don't want to be responsible for destroying the Turkish economy -- and I will," Trump said. "I've already given you a little sample with respect to Pastor Brunson."

"I have worked hard to solve some of your problems," the president wrote. "Don't let the world down. You can make a great deal."

 

no green light there "Don't be a tough guy. Don't be a fool!"

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