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Xadem said: 

What if shitposting gets automated and long after we go extinct there will be a subspecies of highly advanced shitposting AI that fills trillions of forums with sublime shitposts of the highest level of irony and troll quality and types of subtleties undiscovered by mankind... 

 This is already happening on reddit

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Kestrel said: 

There have been a lot of challenging hurdles in the last hundred years as technology has progressed. The obstacle of automation will abruptly curb our future.

Retail and transportation services will very likely be 100% automated by 2040 if not sooner. Retail itself is one of the largest job sectors, accounting for 12% of all jobs in the US. Transportation is also one of the largest job sectors, around 9% of all jobs in the US.  These sectors are the cornerstone of society, unskilled labor needed to keep the under educated masses from starving. Remove these base blocks and you're looking at a 25% employment rate nationwide(4% current).

The argument for automation is that it's essentially what we did during our industrial period, moving away from sweat shops making shoes. The automation we are dealing with today doesn't create more jobs. The only sectors that will see growth are maintenance technician types and programming jobs. But for 1,000 robots that replaced 1,000 workers, only takes one technician to manage.

The idea of UBI has been introduced and while it's our best hope imo, it's a dead end. UBI would mean higher corporate taxes, higher corporate taxes just leads to immediate outsourcing, bleeding even more jobs from the sectors.

The state of political affairs are already pretty virulent, with both sides more extreme branches becoming more prominent. The polarization and violence will scale correlatively to the unemployment rate. It's bullet that's already been shot and it's going to hit you in 20 years. Enjoy yourself

 But this is only true if people rollover and accept the structure holding this system up can’t be changed. Nothing is written in stone.

This seems very hopeful. I don't see a world where every candidate isn't someone who's swayed by billionaire lobbying. The first thing people do with power is take steps to make sure others can't have it. It would truly take a revolution imo.

People can elect leaders who are willing to reset capitalism to better redistribute wealth (through things like free education). Or they can keep electing governments that keep lowering taxes for corporations that get richer and keep everyone else out. Even if these corporations outsource more as you say, simple mathematics shows this model can’t succeed.

Corporations need consumers who can afford to buy their goods. Displace too many people and there won’t be consumers to sell to. It's lose lose. 

 they will let the consumers fall first, if it means they can fall second.

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Kestrel said: 
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The rate of jobs created by automation will be less than half of what jobs it diminished.

This path means radically changing how society functions, but is that really a bad thing beyond the short term? 

Once more than half of people are rendered obsolete, things will have to change. 

Living off of the government would mean them having more room to place restrictions on you. Nothing good ever comes from the poverty gap widening, most revolutions happen once the poor to wealthy ratio hits critical mass.

Past a point, what's left to restrict? 

This is also the infiltration of an idea. What sort of "revolution" would there be, people destroying factories while yelling about "Skynet"? 

I mean, there's a lot that can be done until "past a point". As for a revolution it's not going to be solely about automation, but undoubtedly automation issues falsely validating a pushed ideological perspective. This goes back to my bit about political polarization. Nazis and Commies alike will proclaim these problems are why their way is best.

Also this change is coming rather fast, rapid change is never good and I dont see that new style of life regulating itself in our lifetime. The latter half of our lives will be in the piorneer age of an orwellian state lol

We are in a transitionary stage, and I don't think people will see the weight of that until we push past this hurdle we're creating for ourselves. 

We aren't going to bother to radically redesign how things work if we keep trying to stick to the old ways, so when we jump into it seems largely irrelevant to me. 

I see people regressing into a form of techno-paganism if future people are any reflection on the people of today and day's past. 

 It'll be quite the event. People were burning money in the street and hanging themselves in the great depression, this is an entire economy shift with a new paradigm centered on top of it as well.

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Kestrel said: 

The argument for automation is that it's essentially what we did during our industrial period, moving away from sweat shops making shoes. The automation we are dealing with today doesn't create more jobs. The only sectors that will see growth are maintenance technician types and programming jobs. But for 1,000 robots that replaced 1,000 workers, only takes one technician to manage.

Technically those sweatshops still exist, certain laws made it so that our citizens wouldn't be exploited in that way but that's when the business would then take it elsewhere, outsource it. 

IT / Programming has been saturated for years, and one technician per 1000 seems unlikely:p

The IT / Programming job sector doubles every 5 years. That's from a friend of mine that's a software engineer

The idea of UBI has been introduced and while it's our best hope imo, it's a dead end. UBI would mean higher corporate taxes, higher corporate taxes just leads to immediate outsourcing, bleeding even more jobs from the sectors.

The state of political affairs are already pretty virulent, with both sides more extreme branches becoming more prominent. The polarization and violence will scale correlatively to the unemployment rate. It's bullet that's already been shot and it's going to hit you in 20 years. Enjoy yourself

 What Inq said, it's more important that we hold those companies accountable for underpaying foreign workers, have them put in place severance packages if they are outsourcing, within reason, and make them feel that it wouldn't be worth it to continue doing such shitty practices.

 It's not possible to hold them accountable. What possible incentive would you give to stop companies from outsourcing asides appease them here in the US with tax cuts

 Tax Cuts dont work, GM is a good example of this

 Exactly and it's our main alternative solution to keeping them here. We're holding water with this economy right now

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Xadem said: 

What if shitposting gets automated and long after we go extinct there will be a subspecies of highly advanced shitposting AI that fills trillions of forums with sublime shitposts of the highest level of irony and troll quality and types of subtleties undiscovered by mankind... 

 About a quarter of all memes are monetized and corporate backed already. Haven't you found it suspicious that things like the Airpods meme even cropped up in the first place? I've literally seen about 20 clickbait videos about what people would do for Popeye's new chicken sandwich. Which include, paying 5x the price for one, beating an elderly man up for one and rioting in the store when they have ran out of chicken. 

Memes will soon just be another avenue of marketing. 

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