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Turncoat said: 

Chapo said: 

Retail will always have people until there are robots that are almost like people doing many of their jobs.

Don't worry about that, they're working on that too. 

 Yes, but that's only if they can afford the change 

Whorechata said: 

Turncoat said: 

Chapo said: 

Retail will always have people until there are robots that are almost like people doing many of their jobs.

Don't worry about that, they're working on that too. 

 Yes, but that's only if they can afford the change 

I feel like once we start to fully give in to our own technological potential that it'll start to snowball. 

Probably just wishful thinking. 

Inquirer said: 

Kestrel said: 

The automation we are dealing with today doesn't create more jobs. The only sectors that will see growth are maintenance technician types and programming jobs. But for 1,000 robots that replaced 1,000 workers, only takes one technician to manage.

It will see a growth of jobs (or potential of jobs at least), just not equivalent to the unskilled jobs lost in the first place. This is why education will be so important going forward.

The rate of jobs created by automation will be less than half of what jobs it diminished. Education is already charged at an outrageous premium in the US. 

The idea of UBI has been introduced and while it's our best hope imo, it's a dead end. UBI would mean higher corporate taxes, higher corporate taxes just leads to immediate outsourcing, bleeding even more jobs from the sectors.

It doesn't necessarily have to lead to massive outsourcing if the entire world is on a similar level economically. We could also put in place international agreements prohibiting tax havens and underpaying foreign workers.

 Imagining the entire world on a similar economic level seems like an impossibility. 1st world nations thrive in part because we get underdeveloped nations to do our work for cheaper. And as far as international agreements, you know that is a joke.

Kestrel said:

The rate of jobs created by automation will be less than half of what jobs it diminished.

This path means radically changing how society functions, but is that really a bad thing beyond the short term? 

Once more than half of people are rendered obsolete, things will have to change. 

The argument for automation is that it's essentially what we did during our industrial period, moving away from sweat shops making shoes. The automation we are dealing with today doesn't create more jobs. The only sectors that will see growth are maintenance technician types and programming jobs. But for 1,000 robots that replaced 1,000 workers, only takes one technician to manage.

Technically those sweatshops still exist, certain laws made it so that our citizens wouldn't be exploited in that way but that's when the business would then take it elsewhere, outsource it. 

IT / Programming has been saturated for years, and one technician per 1000 seems unlikely:p

The IT / Programming job sector doubles every 5 years. That's from a friend of mine that's a software engineer

The idea of UBI has been introduced and while it's our best hope imo, it's a dead end. UBI would mean higher corporate taxes, higher corporate taxes just leads to immediate outsourcing, bleeding even more jobs from the sectors.

The state of political affairs are already pretty virulent, with both sides more extreme branches becoming more prominent. The polarization and violence will scale correlatively to the unemployment rate. It's bullet that's already been shot and it's going to hit you in 20 years. Enjoy yourself

 What Inq said, it's more important that we hold those companies accountable for underpaying foreign workers, have them put in place severance packages if they are outsourcing, within reason, and make them feel that it wouldn't be worth it to continue doing such shitty practices.

 It's not possible to hold them accountable. What possible incentive would you give to stop companies from outsourcing asides appease them here in the US with tax cuts

Turncoat said: 

Kestrel said:

The rate of jobs created by automation will be less than half of what jobs it diminished.

This path means radically changing how society functions, but is that really a bad thing beyond the short term? 

Once more than half of people are rendered obsolete, things will have to change. 

 Living off of the government would mean them having more room to place restrictions on you. Nothing good ever comes from the poverty gap widening, most revolutions happen once the poor to wealthy ratio hits critical mass.

Also this change is coming rather fast, rapid change is never good and I dont see that new style of life regulating itself in our lifetime. The latter half of our lives will be in the piorneer age of an orwellian state lol

Kestrel said: 

Turncoat said: 

Kestrel said:

The rate of jobs created by automation will be less than half of what jobs it diminished.

This path means radically changing how society functions, but is that really a bad thing beyond the short term? 

Once more than half of people are rendered obsolete, things will have to change. 

Living off of the government would mean them having more room to place restrictions on you. Nothing good ever comes from the poverty gap widening, most revolutions happen once the poor to wealthy ratio hits critical mass.

Past a point, what's left to restrict? 

This is also the infiltration of an idea. What sort of "revolution" would there be, people destroying factories while yelling about "Skynet"? 

Also this change is coming rather fast, rapid change is never good and I dont see that new style of life regulating itself in our lifetime. The latter half of our lives will be in the piorneer age of an orwellian state lol

We are in a transitionary stage, and I don't think people will see the weight of that until we push past this hurdle we're creating for ourselves. 

We aren't going to bother to radically redesign how things work if we keep trying to stick to the old ways, so when we jump into it seems largely irrelevant to me. 

I see people regressing into a form of techno-paganism if future people are any reflection on the people of today and day's past. 

Turncoat said: 

Whorechata said: 

Turncoat said: 

Chapo said: 

Retail will always have people until there are robots that are almost like people doing many of their jobs.

Don't worry about that, they're working on that too. 

 Yes, but that's only if they can afford the change 

I feel like once we start to fully give in to our own technological potential that it'll start to snowball. 

Probably just wishful thinking. 

I bet it is

Whorechata said: 

Turncoat said: 

Whorechata said: 

Turncoat said: 

Chapo said: 

Retail will always have people until there are robots that are almost like people doing many of their jobs.

Don't worry about that, they're working on that too. 

 Yes, but that's only if they can afford the change 

I feel like once we start to fully give in to our own technological potential that it'll start to snowball. 

Probably just wishful thinking. 

I bet it is

Adding new technology forces the market to adapt to it. It could open up all kinds of pathways for technological potential. 

We're effectively holding ourselves back. 

Kestrel said: 

The argument for automation is that it's essentially what we did during our industrial period, moving away from sweat shops making shoes. The automation we are dealing with today doesn't create more jobs. The only sectors that will see growth are maintenance technician types and programming jobs. But for 1,000 robots that replaced 1,000 workers, only takes one technician to manage.

Technically those sweatshops still exist, certain laws made it so that our citizens wouldn't be exploited in that way but that's when the business would then take it elsewhere, outsource it. 

IT / Programming has been saturated for years, and one technician per 1000 seems unlikely:p

The IT / Programming job sector doubles every 5 years. That's from a friend of mine that's a software engineer

The idea of UBI has been introduced and while it's our best hope imo, it's a dead end. UBI would mean higher corporate taxes, higher corporate taxes just leads to immediate outsourcing, bleeding even more jobs from the sectors.

The state of political affairs are already pretty virulent, with both sides more extreme branches becoming more prominent. The polarization and violence will scale correlatively to the unemployment rate. It's bullet that's already been shot and it's going to hit you in 20 years. Enjoy yourself

 What Inq said, it's more important that we hold those companies accountable for underpaying foreign workers, have them put in place severance packages if they are outsourcing, within reason, and make them feel that it wouldn't be worth it to continue doing such shitty practices.

 It's not possible to hold them accountable. What possible incentive would you give to stop companies from outsourcing asides appease them here in the US with tax cuts

 Tax Cuts dont work, GM is a good example of this