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I plan to comment on this at some point, this is very much a topic I'm interested in. Thank you for bringing this up. I'll try to respond sometime this week.

I don't plan to comment on this at any point in the future, despite it being a topic i'm very much interested in. Thanks nevertheless for bringing this up. Don't expect a response anytime soon. 

Xadem said: 

I don't plan to comment on this at any point in the future, despite it being a topic i'm very much interested in. Thanks nevertheless for bringing this up. Don't expect a response anytime soon. 

 That's probably true, I might forget sadly, I phase this forum out at times, and return a month or two later. I'll try to remember though.

Kestrel said: 

The automation we are dealing with today doesn't create more jobs. The only sectors that will see growth are maintenance technician types and programming jobs. But for 1,000 robots that replaced 1,000 workers, only takes one technician to manage.

It will see a growth of jobs (or potential of jobs at least), just not equivalent to the unskilled jobs lost in the first place. This is why education will be so important going forward.

The idea of UBI has been introduced and while it's our best hope imo, it's a dead end. UBI would mean higher corporate taxes, higher corporate taxes just leads to immediate outsourcing, bleeding even more jobs from the sectors.

It doesn't necessarily have to lead to massive outsourcing if the entire world is on a similar level economically. We could also put in place international agreements prohibiting tax havens and underpaying foreign workers.

Kestrel said: 

There have been a lot of challenging hurdles in the last hundred years as technology has progressed. The obstacle of automation will abruptly curb our future.

Retail and transportation services will very likely be 100% automated by 2040 if not sooner. Retail itself is one of the largest job sectors, accounting for 12% of all jobs in the US. Transportation is also one of the largest job sectors, around 9% of all jobs in the US.  These sectors are the cornerstone of society, unskilled labor needed to keep the under educated masses from starving. Remove these base blocks and you're looking at a 25% employment rate nationwide(4% current).

I dont think anyone is in retail out of love for it (well, for those exceptions out there, theres plenty smaller brands that won't be able to afford automation or even great products that simply wont thrive with automation).

Most people take up these jobs out of necessity as a part time,  supplemental income source. UBI would be great for them not to have an added stress of a secondary job, for those that have it as a primary job- UBI would be necessary so that they can obtain the education needed to have a higher paying job.

Nuclear or clean energy jobs will grow and having the time to get an education in areas would help tremendously.

If it's not outsourcing then its automation, it's more about holding companies responsible for better ethics and not contributing to the poor conditions and poor pay to those it's been outsourced to. 

The argument for automation is that it's essentially what we did during our industrial period, moving away from sweat shops making shoes. The automation we are dealing with today doesn't create more jobs. The only sectors that will see growth are maintenance technician types and programming jobs. But for 1,000 robots that replaced 1,000 workers, only takes one technician to manage.

Technically those sweatshops still exist, certain laws made it so that our citizens wouldn't be exploited in that way but that's when the business would then take it elsewhere, outsource it. 

IT / Programming has been saturated for years, and one technician per 1000 seems unlikely:p

The idea of UBI has been introduced and while it's our best hope imo, it's a dead end. UBI would mean higher corporate taxes, higher corporate taxes just leads to immediate outsourcing, bleeding even more jobs from the sectors.

The state of political affairs are already pretty virulent, with both sides more extreme branches becoming more prominent. The polarization and violence will scale correlatively to the unemployment rate. It's bullet that's already been shot and it's going to hit you in 20 years. Enjoy yourself

 What Inq said, it's more important that we hold those companies accountable for underpaying foreign workers, have them put in place severance packages if they are outsourcing, within reason, and make them feel that it wouldn't be worth it to continue doing such shitty practices.

Kestrel said: 

It's bullet that's already been shot and it's going to hit you in 20 years. Enjoy yourself

If not for The Unions we'd likely have had some of these developments sooner, and holding back inevitable change is just embracing stagnation out of a fear of a new idea of person. 

...granted, it's worth asking what sort of traits would become gregarious in humans once we no longer require toil to survive (unless it gets like Fifty Million Merits). I mean raising dogs to the point of absurdity changed them, will machines raising us to the point of absurdity do the same? 

Human Neoteny. 

Retail will always have people until there are robots that are almost like people doing many of their jobs.

Chapo said: 

Retail will always have people until there are robots that are almost like people doing many of their jobs.

Don't worry about that, they're working on that too.