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I do not oppose Eminem, nor am I his fan. I like some of his music and he's probably the best rap artist I've ever heard. Very impressive artist. 

Eminem is impressive even to people who don't like rap and hip hop music. 

Back to addressing your original complaint, as you are mentally distracted and conflicted. 

Someone can be a villain and still carry merit.

If Bill Clinton did indeed come from an abusive upbringing and went on to become as successful as he did, then what he did cannot be taken from him, no matter how unpopular he becomes. 

Eminem is a good example, because he's great at what he does. 

I know a white artist personally, famous song but he's not all that famous these days. In the 90's white artists never got the respect they deserved. Eminem is actually the first white rapper to gain respect. Even Vanilla Ice used to get hate and now he's a legend. Whatever people had against Vanilla is long gone. I watched this happen. 

But yes Eminem is a good example for what I'm talking about. Yes you're going to cry and kick and scream, and be all "what about this ? what about that ? what about trump ? What about what you think and feel and say !" Yeah you're going to ball, that's just your way. What I said remains true.  

You're the one who seems unusually invested in Eminem not liking Trump and MAGA. You keep returning to his politics, calling them “hate driven,” and treating his rejection of Trump as evidence that something is wrong with him. Then you turn around and predict that I'm going to “cry and kick and scream” because I'm criticizing your argument.

So the projection is pretty obvious. I'm discussing the standard you're using and why your claim about Eminem doesn't follow. You're the one repeatedly getting worked up over the fact that a rapper you otherwise consider extremely talented doesn't support your preferred politics.

Dragoonback said: 

You're the one who seems unusually invested in Eminem not liking Trump and MAGA. You keep returning to his politics, calling them “hate driven,” and treating his rejection of Trump as evidence that something is wrong with him. Then you turn around and predict that I'm going to “cry and kick and scream” because I'm criticizing your argument.

Used him as an example. You kept asking how his politics are hate driven, and I told you. Dude alienated some of his fans.

This man is enraged. Not his best freestyle. He's too flustered. Kinda makes my stomach turn. 

His politics are hate driven. Calls Trump a racist and a KKK supporter, fake news. And no Trump doesn't want to deport every immigrant. Any nation including the US can get destroyed when people just come in without following the process.  

So no I don't focus on Eminem, I'm actually fond of him as an artist. He did drink the kool-aid like you did though. 

So the projection is pretty obvious. I'm discussing the standard you're using and why your claim about Eminem doesn't follow. You're the one repeatedly getting worked up over the fact that a rapper you otherwise consider extremely talented doesn't support your preferred politics.

 I don't have any reason to worry about Eminem not supporting my preferred politics. Nor did it phase me when a whole list of celebrities were paid to support Kamala. See ?

And really. It's good to see the majority doesn't blindly follow celebrity endorsements. 

lol Kamala spent 1 billion for her campaign paying them, including Eminem, and ended up -20 million in debt. Spirit of the Lord said it would be like flushing their money down the toilet. 

What's better than 8 years of Trump ?... 8 years over a span of 12 years. Why would I be freaking out about Eminem ? Or Robert De Niro ? 

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Bill Clinton is a villain. And I know, it's bad news, and it would be better if it weren't true. 

You say you don't focus on Eminem, but you've now devoted a substantial portion of the discussion to his politics, his criticism of Trump, his fans, his music, and his supposed payment from the Harris campaign. Clearly you're using him as a political example.

The “Kamala paid Eminem $1.8 million” claim isn't supported by the campaign-finance evidence. FactCheck.org found no evidence that Harris paid celebrities for endorsements, and FEC records did not show a payment to Eminem or his production company. The roughly $20 million in campaign debt and spending on concerts are separate facts that don't establish the claim.

Likewise, Eminem criticizing Trump or calling him racist doesn't establish that his politics are “hate driven.” Alienating fans doesn't establish that either. If he doesn't want to associate with people he considers racist, transphobic, anti-vaccine, or otherwise intolerable, that's opposition to views he finds disgusting, not evidence that hatred is the basis of his politics.

What's more revealing is your own standard. You repeatedly use contempt, insults, hostile assumptions, superiority, and punishment rhetoric toward people you dislike, yet you interpret Eminem's hostility toward Trump as evidence of some uniquely hateful worldview. You're projecting a hostility-based framework onto him that is much more apparent in your own rhetoric.

And the red map proves nothing about numerical support without accounting for population. Land area is not population.

So yes, Eminem can be an excellent rapper while having political views you dislike. But none of what you've given actually establishes your claim that his politics are “hate driven.”

Yes I did. 

Yes, you did. That's exactly what I was pointing out. You spent a substantial portion of your response discussing Eminem's politics, fans, criticism of Trump, music, and alleged campaign payment, so saying you don't focus on Eminem was plainly inaccurate.

The remaining question is whether any of that actually establishes your claim that his politics are “hate driven.” It doesn't.

I already said everything I had to say though. 

I can repeat myself. 

Cleared Bill Clinton ( which was a response to Nathan )

Made my point about Clinton

Modeled an example with Eminem to explain how being a in the negative won't dispel talent or whatever good skills they have. 

I couldn't just mentioned them once and be done. Now you're complaining that I talked about Eminem too much. Homosexual, I have nothing more to say about Clinton. I'm good. 

And Maga, and Kamala, and all those celebrities and that wasted billion, And Trump. 

I'm good. 

You did repeatedly discuss Eminem because you were using him as your example. I wasn't claiming you're secretly obsessed with him. I was pointing out that your earlier statement that you don't focus on Eminem didn't match what you were actually posting.

And repeating the example doesn't make the underlying claim any more established. You can use Eminem ten times to illustrate that someone can retain talent despite being morally objectionable, but that still doesn't establish that his politics are “hate driven.” That's a separate claim you've been asserting rather than demonstrating.

I understand your point that someone's merits don't disappear because they're morally objectionable. That's not what I'm disputing. What you still haven't established is why Clinton specifically qualifies as a “villain” under your standard. You keep treating his Epstein association as significant, yet Trump also had a documented relationship with Epstein and flew on his plane, so that association by itself doesn't establish your conclusion.

You keep saying “Bill Clinton is a villain” as though the label explains itself, but you haven't actually given a criterion that distinguishes Clinton from other political figures you support. 

And I don't really see the basis for portraying yourself as “the good guy” either. You repeatedly advocate or defend ideas that can have serious consequences for other people's lives, including opposition to abortion, strong support for wealth accumulation and hierarchy, indifference toward poverty and inequality, discriminatory or degrading language toward various groups, and superstition presented as though it were a meaningful basis for understanding reality. So I don't see how “good guy” is some established fact that you can simply assign yourself while dismissing everyone who criticizes you as insecure, stupid, or manipulated.

Being convinced that you're the good person in a conflict doesn't make the position morally correct. The actual consequences of the ideas and behavior matter.

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I discussed Eminem.  And I did it without anyone's consent. 

I'm glad I did.