Bill Clinton was child of alcoholics and became successful; why can’t some people propel themselves on ambition and out of alcoholism
Clinton's story doesn't demonstrate that people can simply propel themselves out of an alcoholic environment through ambition. It demonstrates that one person with substantial ability, education, connections, opportunities, and political support managed to succeed despite an adverse childhood environment. He went to Georgetown, worked for Senator Fulbright, got a Rhodes Scholarship to Oxford, went to Yale Law, became attorney general and then governor of Arkansas. He also had Hillary Rodham Clinton as a highly educated political partner. That's a very different situation from someone whose alcoholic environment also involves poverty, instability, neglect, abuse, poor education, lack of support, or other disadvantages that can compound one another.
His success doesn't even establish that his childhood environment had no negative effect on him. It's entirely possible for both of these things to be true: Clinton was capable of overcoming his circumstances, and those circumstances made his eventual success less likely than it otherwise would have been.
The mistake is treating "possible" as equivalent to "equally probable." One person demonstrating that someone can succeed despite an alcoholic environment tells you almost nothing about how difficult or statistically likely it is for other people. You can't look at the survivor and conclude that everyone who didn't escape simply lacked ambition. That's survivorship bias.
His later life was hardly psychologically uncomplicated. It's possible some of his later problems were influenced by childhood trauma or learned behavior, though that would be speculative. Someone can become highly successful while still carrying lasting effects from a dysfunctional upbringing.
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Bill Clinton was child of alcoholics and became successful; why can’t some people propel themselves on ambition and out of alcoholism
Addiction.
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Bill Clinton was child of alcoholics and became successful; why can’t some people propel themselves on ambition and out of alcoholism
I'm sorry, but are you really using an Epstein's Island regular as a role model right now?
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Bill Clinton was child of alcoholics and became successful; why can’t some people propel themselves on ambition and out of alcoholism
I'm sorry, but are you really using an Epstein's Island regular as a role model right now?
He's a villain. Above the law. Been President of the United States. Worth an undisclosed amount, maybe in the high millions if not a billionaire, so rich. Secret service agents are afraid of his wife.
I can seriously vanish simply for talking about this online, just like other people who vanished for talking about the Clintons in regard to these facts.
I believe what's good about him is kinda in tact, and that is rising from the ashes if that's really the case. God knows who his parents really were, could've always been a part of a secret society for all we know.
He's a villain. Above the law. Been President of the United States. Worth an undisclosed amount, maybe in the high millions if not a billionaire, so rich. Secret service agents are afraid of his wife.
I can seriously vanish simply for talking about this online, just like other people who vanished for talking about the Clintons in regard to these facts.
I believe what's good about him is kinda in tact, and that is rising from the ashes if that's really the case. God knows who his parents really were, could've always been a part of a secret society for all we know.
What makes him a villain but not you? It seems you don't apply these same standards to the current president.
This is a thread about Bill Clinton. You'd like it to be about me or Trump, but it isn't
There is no evidence against President Trump. Just accusations and wishful thinking. But here's the good news. He's found innocent.
I brought you into it because you were the one applying a standard about what makes someone a villain, then immediately making exceptions for people you favor. The thread being about Clinton doesn't make the standard suddenly irrelevant when you're the one introducing it.
And “there is no evidence against Trump” is not the same as “he's innocent.” Those are separate claims. You'd also just said Clinton is a villain while admitting that the parts of him you consider good are still intact, so clearly you're capable of distinguishing between someone's wrongdoing and their other traits. The question is whether you're willing to apply that same distinction consistently rather than changing the standard depending on who you're discussing.
This is a thread about Bill Clinton. You'd like it to be about me or Trump, but it isn't
There is no evidence against President Trump. Just accusations and wishful thinking. But here's the good news. He's found innocent.
I brought you into it because you were the one applying a standard about what makes someone a villain,
Incorrect.
What's going on here is we know something you don't. We're carrying on forward with conversation and you're out of the loop.
It may come to you as a surprise, but it wasn't I who made Bill Clinton.
Incorrect. What's going on here is we know something you don't. We're carrying on forward with conversation and you're out of the loop. It may come to you as a surprise, but it wasn't I who made Bill Clinton.
You're saying I'm “out of the loop,” but then you don't actually explain what I'm supposedly missing. “We know something you don't” isn't an argument, and “I didn't make Bill Clinton” doesn't address my point. I was responding to the standard you yourself applied when you called Clinton a villain while separating the good parts of him from the bad. If you're using a particular standard for what makes someone a villain, it's still reasonable to ask whether you apply that standard consistently to other people.