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This girl shoe. If I ever see her on the street I wouldn't approach her or ask for anything, though I would  cheer. Watched this on x2 speed and wow. 

This one only impacts females. I think it goes deeper than just another bandwagon effect though. It resembles spiritual wickedness, like a network of demonic influence making a play out in the open. Something that drives a wedge between men and women.

The most important thing for anyone really is how a partner thinks. For men, how she thinks matters more than physical attractiveness. 

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Shoe can call herself liberal all she wants, in the modern world she isn't. 

Oh!  ShoeOnHead mentioned!  And now in the Bandwagon* thread...  Very fortuitous associations.  She was getting in trouble on X taking on these people...

...apparently.

The uproar feels different than when American citizens were getting shot by ICE out on the street with the public able to film it.  Not even the Second Amendment guys could muster the same volume.

Buttered Toast said: 

 

The uproar feels different than when American citizens were getting shot by ICE out on the street with the public able to film it.  Not even the Second Amendment guys could muster the same volume.

 I found a back angle of that incident where the woman was shot and killed in the SUV. Best shot, pun intended. 

That incident was a double negative, but overall I'd blame the dumb lady for her insolence and shouldn't  have hit the gas while an officer was in front of the vehicle. What saved him was the front tire skidding on the ice which is what prompted the ICE agent to fire. She also should not have listened to her stupid girlfriend telling her to go go go while being detained for obstructing justice. 

And I get it, people will think I'm an asshole, but I do not believe in illegal aliens simply moving in and living tax free, while everyone else is expected to support them. Anti-ICE doesn't see it this way and think anyone should be able to waltz in, but honestly in the grand scheme that turns a nation into shit. 

Spatial Mind said: 

 I found a back angle of that incident where the woman was shot and killed in the SUV. Best shot, pun intended. 

That incident was a double negative, but overall I'd blame the dumb lady for her insolence and shouldn't  have hit the gas while an officer was in front of the vehicle. What saved him was the front tire skidding on the ice which is what prompted the ICE agent to fire. She also should not have listened to her stupid girlfriend telling her to go go go while being detained for obstructing justice. 

And I get it, people will think I'm an asshole, but I do not believe in illegal aliens simply moving in and living tax free, while everyone else is expected to support them. Anti-ICE doesn't see it this way and think anyone should be able to waltz in, but honestly in the grand scheme that turns a nation into shit. 

The video does show Good's SUV moving toward Ross, but the available frame-by-frame analyses don't establish that her tire "skidded on the ice and saved him." The Washington Post's analysis found that Ross moved out of the vehicle's path and fired as the SUV veered past him, while Bellingcat's analysis of multiple angles likewise shows him moving to the side as the vehicle passed.

"She was obstructing ICE and her girlfriend told her to drive" also doesn't establish that deadly force was justified. At most, it establishes that Good was resisting the agents' attempt to detain her and was attempting to leave. Whether the vehicle constituted an imminent deadly threat at the exact moment Ross fired is a separate question.

And calling it a "double negative" doesn't make the actions equivalent. Good can have been wrong to obstruct the operation and attempt to drive away while being confronted by agents without that automatically making Ross justified in killing her.

The illegal immigration argument is even more irrelevant. Renée Good was a U.S. citizen. 

Dragoonback said: 

Spatial Mind said: 

 I found a back angle of that incident where the woman was shot and killed in the SUV. Best shot, pun intended. 

That incident was a double negative, but overall I'd blame the dumb lady for her insolence and shouldn't  have hit the gas while an officer was in front of the vehicle. What saved him was the front tire skidding on the ice which is what prompted the ICE agent to fire. She also should not have listened to her stupid girlfriend telling her to go go go while being detained for obstructing justice. 

And I get it, people will think I'm an asshole, but I do not believe in illegal aliens simply moving in and living tax free, while everyone else is expected to support them. Anti-ICE doesn't see it this way and think anyone should be able to waltz in, but honestly in the grand scheme that turns a nation into shit. 

The video does show Good's SUV moving toward Ross, but the available frame-by-frame analyses don't establish that her tire "skidded on the ice and saved him."

It does. 

The Washington Post's analysis found that Ross moved out of the vehicle's path and fired as the SUV veered past him, while Bellingcat's analysis of multiple angles likewise shows him moving to the side as the vehicle passed.

My analysis also suggests Ross moved out of the vehicles path and fired, but also indicates the tire skidded on the icy road surface before gaining traction.

When a tire skids it makes a sound and it's all Ross needed to move out of the way on time. 

"She was obstructing ICE and her girlfriend told her to drive" also doesn't establish that deadly force was justified.

My claim is it's a shared liability between Good and Ross. 

At most, it establishes that Good was resisting the agents' attempt to detain her and was attempting to leave. Whether the vehicle constituted an imminent deadly threat at the exact moment Ross fired is a separate question.

Some argue Ross fired as he was dragged by a vehicle before.

And calling it a "double negative" doesn't make the actions equivalent.

No shit. 

Good can have been wrong to obstruct the operation and attempt to drive away while being confronted by agents without that automatically making Ross justified in killing her.

Double negative.

The illegal immigration argument is even more irrelevant. Renée Good was a U.S. citizen. 

 Illegal immigration argument is relevant. 

No arguing she "died for her cause"

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My stance remains the same, both the agent and civilian were idiots. So was the girlfriend on the side chirping away. ( Never listen to people like that )

But this is exactly why the skid is irrelevant to the justification for the shot. Even granting your interpretation that the tire skidded and that the sound alerted Ross, the footage shows Ross was already moving away from the front of the SUV. By the time he fired, he was no longer directly in front of the vehicle.

So at most, the skid could explain why he moved out of the vehicle's path. It doesn't establish why he needed to fire after he was already clear of it. You're conflating the event that supposedly caused him to evade the vehicle with the circumstances that existed when he actually pulled the trigger.

If you're arguing that the vehicle was an imminent deadly threat when Ross fired, you need to establish that from the position and trajectory of the vehicle at the time of the shot, not from what happened seconds or fractions of a second earlier.

Dragoonback said: 

But this is exactly why the skid is irrelevant to the justification for the shot.

It's relevant. She was stepping on the gas, the ICE agent wouldn't have just stood there.

Even granting your interpretation that the tire skidded and that the sound alerted Ross, the footage shows Ross was already moving away from the front of the SUV. By the time he fired, he was no longer directly in front of the vehicle.

Different angles tell different stories. A forward perspective shows Ross get bumped by the vehicle, then he fired. 

So at most, the skid could explain why he moved out of the vehicle's path. It doesn't establish why he needed to fire after he was already clear of it.

It all happened in fractions of 1 second.

You're conflating the event that supposedly caused him to evade the vehicle with the circumstances that existed when he actually pulled the trigger.

He got bumped then he fired. 

If you're arguing that the vehicle was an imminent deadly threat when Ross fired, you need to establish that from the position and trajectory of the vehicle at the time of the shot, not from what happened seconds or fractions of a second earlier.

 Narrow mind. There is no if. What happened in advance is what lead to poor impulses on both sides. Regardless if a reason is good or not, it is a reason and there was one. 

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For the 3rd time and I'll make it clear. 

- The ICE agent, was in the wrong. While force was in order, it wasn't enough to draw a lethal weapon and use it. 

- Renee, was in the wrong. If she weren't shot dead there would've been a chase on Icy road conditions ( no pun intended ) 

- Renee's girlfriend, should have just shut the fuck up and not told her to drive.

Left wing activists hate ICE and their purpose to seek and deport illegal immigrants. They don't understand what happens to a country when there are too many illegals living there so they're all for opening the floodgates.  

You're conflating what led up to the shooting with what justified it. I don't think you've demonstrated that lethal force was necessary in the first place.

"She was accelerating toward him" doesn't settle that, especially since Ross had moved to the side of the vehicle when he fired. And "he got bumped then he fired" is your assumption. There's no established proof that the vehicle actually made contact with him. Even granting your interpretation of the skid and the preceding events, that doesn't establish that Ross faced an imminent deadly threat when he pulled the trigger. At most, it explains why the situation escalated.

So the shooting looks less like demonstrated necessity and more like an impulsive act of vindication or hostility. I'm not claiming to know his exact motive, but you can't simply assume necessity either.

As for immigration, human migration is a normal behavior, while immigration restrictions are political systems imposed upon it. I don't think immigration status is a sufficient justification for expanding coercive state power over ordinary people. That's why opposition to illegal immigration doesn't make the use of disproportionate force legitimate, nor does it make the immigration issue relevant to whether this particular shooting was justified.

You also keep invoking what illegal immigration supposedly does to a country without acknowledging that the overwhelming majority of crime isn't committed by immigrants in the first place. Crime, violence, and social dysfunction existed long before the current immigration debate and are largely produced within the non-immigrant population as well.

There's also a broader issue of selective enforcement. Some crimes and abuses get minimized or ignored when the people committing them occupy a politically or culturally favored position, while immigration status can make someone a convenient target for disproportionate scrutiny. So I don't see "illegal immigration causes problems" as the self-evident justification for expanding state coercion that you seem to treat it as.

Dragoonback said: 

You're conflating what led up to the shooting with what justified it.

Obviously I'm not. 

I don't think you've demonstrated that lethal force was necessary in the first place.

Correct.

Why would I do that when I've suggested for the 3rd time shooting Renee was the wrong thing to do ?

Just because you wish I had some other take on the matter for argument sake, doesn't mean you should hear what you want. 

Honestly, I don't even think the video is bad. The bashing is exaggerated.

Lol, isn't that bad? The CEO shows up in corporate wear, clearly doesnt eat that shit, takes the smallest bite ever and doesnt swallow, probably spits it out later, and then says yum yum this product is so good let me finish that later. "I eat McDonald's every day."

Its not the first time the CEO has fucked up a McDonald's product.

At any rate, I know this is aside, but McDonald should burn for ruining the health of children. Any support taken from Donald McRonald is good news to me.

The clip is like an alien pretending to be human saying he likes human food, just like you. Sorry, but you dont see the irony in the clip?