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Spatial Mind said: 

Yes. Orbiting is a real thing. Don't exaggerate what I've said though, it's not like I'm drawing crowds here, I'm just dealing with people who are there, plus I was writing about my experiences with a frenemy. 

I did mention I'm not a chick magnet, I was just on a roll, as I should've been at that time. I was in my mid 30's. That a man's prime. - They buy toilet paper together, then it's my turn to buy, and I supply the most = This is abusive is it not ? 

- I got the blame for using up the limited internet data while he watched 4 movies a day or more = Okay, Not exactly worthy of praise here

- I'm on a roll meeting all these women AFTER getting dumped. Ex comes back, girl next door, the one down the street, down the block, the cat lady, the dog lady, people I met while washing his car my guests were all female.

- Harassing not just me, but the other guy and guests in the washroom. Like dude, You just took a piss and 10 minutes later I hear you pounding away on the bathroom door with the same script.

- Talking behind my back. I actually walked in on him venting about me to the other guy there. 

- While he never noticed I was in the corner, I watched him as he was passing by pick up a brand new shirt of mine, walk out the front door and put it in the back seat of his car. Just got it, and never saw the shirt again. 

It's not up to me to reach out nor would I like to at this point. That guy by definition of the word is a frenemy. Also, my role is important. It's important for growth. How I handle toxic people doesn't create entanglements. That guy lost to his desires which is mental weakness. You're carrying on as if I should respect the guy. 

The issue is not whether every event you described happened or whether your housemate behaved badly. The issue is the framework you use to interpret people.

You consistently turn conflicts into a hierarchy where the other person is weak, jealous, toxic, or inferior, while your role becomes the person who is desired, tested, or important enough to provoke those reactions.

Someone can behave badly without needing to become a “mentally weak” person beneath you. That extra step is where the hierarchy comes in. Describing harm is different from building a worldview where every conflict confirms your superiority.

Dragoonback said: 

Spatial Mind said: 

Yes. Orbiting is a real thing. Don't exaggerate what I've said though, it's not like I'm drawing crowds here, I'm just dealing with people who are there, plus I was writing about my experiences with a frenemy. 

I did mention I'm not a chick magnet, I was just on a roll, as I should've been at that time. I was in my mid 30's. That a man's prime. - They buy toilet paper together, then it's my turn to buy, and I supply the most = This is abusive is it not ? 

- I got the blame for using up the limited internet data while he watched 4 movies a day or more = Okay, Not exactly worthy of praise here

- I'm on a roll meeting all these women AFTER getting dumped. Ex comes back, girl next door, the one down the street, down the block, the cat lady, the dog lady, people I met while washing his car my guests were all female.

- Harassing not just me, but the other guy and guests in the washroom. Like dude, You just took a piss and 10 minutes later I hear you pounding away on the bathroom door with the same script.

- Talking behind my back. I actually walked in on him venting about me to the other guy there. 

- While he never noticed I was in the corner, I watched him as he was passing by pick up a brand new shirt of mine, walk out the front door and put it in the back seat of his car. Just got it, and never saw the shirt again. 

It's not up to me to reach out nor would I like to at this point. That guy by definition of the word is a frenemy. Also, my role is important. It's important for growth. How I handle toxic people doesn't create entanglements. That guy lost to his desires which is mental weakness. You're carrying on as if I should respect the guy. 

The issue is not whether every event you described happened or whether your housemate behaved badly. The issue is the framework you use to interpret people.

You consistently turn conflicts into a hierarchy where the other person is weak, jealous, toxic, or inferior, while your role becomes the person who is desired, tested, or important enough to provoke those reactions.

Every conflict has one person more shallow than the other.  I still supplied the most toilet paper. I also handled the utility bill, which would cost me around $400 on top of rent and other bills. I supplied the most. Or rather, I STILL supplied the most. 

 Yes it there was jealousy, yes it was toxic, and surprise, I do see shallow behaviour as low frequency behavior. There's nothing wrong with that.  

Someone can behave badly without needing to become a “mentally weak” person beneath you. That extra step is where the hierarchy comes in. Describing harm is different from building a worldview where every conflict confirms your superiority.

 Nah. Bad behavior is weakness,. 

There's nothing wrong with being jealous, it's what we do when jealous that makes us. 

If you're mentally weak you're going to have tantrums and do dumb shit. If your life is up for review, there will be shame. 

If I did see him, I can bring all of this up, and what's he going to say ? 

In the end, I just carried on. No fighting. No "dragging me down" and believe me, a lot of people would've snapped. Just wash my hands and move on. 

Orbiters, status. Perspective. Point of views. I notice how I can write about being abused and you'll try to turn it on me. I know why and I recognize you. It's the same thing with some people. I don't maintain the high ground out of spite or anything, but petty behavior is actually beneath my standards for real.  

Spatial Mind said: 

Every conflict has one person more shallow than the other. I still supplied the most toilet paper. I also handled the utility bill, which would cost me around $400 on top of rent and other bills. I supplied the most. Or rather, I STILL supplied the most. Yes it there was jealousy, yes it was toxic, and surprise, I do see shallow behaviour as low frequency behavior. There's nothing wrong with that.  

Nah. Bad behavior is weakness. There's nothing wrong with being jealous, it's what we do when jealous that makes us. If you're mentally weak you're going to have tantrums and do dumb shit. If your life is up for review, there will be shame. 

If I did see him, I can bring all of this up, and what's he going to say? In the end, I just carried on. No fighting. No "dragging me down" and believe me, a lot of people would've snapped. Just wash my hands and move on. Orbiters, status. Perspective. Point of views. I notice how I can write about being abused and you'll try to turn it on me. I know why and I recognize you. It's the same thing with some people. I don't maintain the high ground out of spite or anything, but petty behavior is actually beneath my standards for real.  

The issue is not whether your housemate behaved in ways you disliked. The issue is the conclusion you draw from those events. A person can act in ways that create conflict or negative outcomes, but that does not establish that they are objectively beneath another person. There is no inherent hierarchy where one person is a higher or lower type of human.

People are organisms with different traits, experiences, incentives, and behaviors. Some behaviors are more useful or harmful depending on a goal, but that is not the same thing as proving one person has greater inherent value or status. You can decide someone is incompatible with you or that their behavior is not worth tolerating without turning the situation into evidence that you occupy a superior position.

Dragoonback said: 

Spatial Mind said: 

Every conflict has one person more shallow than the other. I still supplied the most toilet paper. I also handled the utility bill, which would cost me around $400 on top of rent and other bills. I supplied the most. Or rather, I STILL supplied the most. Yes it there was jealousy, yes it was toxic, and surprise, I do see shallow behaviour as low frequency behavior. There's nothing wrong with that.  

Nah. Bad behavior is weakness. There's nothing wrong with being jealous, it's what we do when jealous that makes us. If you're mentally weak you're going to have tantrums and do dumb shit. If your life is up for review, there will be shame. 

If I did see him, I can bring all of this up, and what's he going to say? In the end, I just carried on. No fighting. No "dragging me down" and believe me, a lot of people would've snapped. Just wash my hands and move on. Orbiters, status. Perspective. Point of views. I notice how I can write about being abused and you'll try to turn it on me. I know why and I recognize you. It's the same thing with some people. I don't maintain the high ground out of spite or anything, but petty behavior is actually beneath my standards for real.  

The issue is not whether your housemate behaved in ways you disliked. The issue is the conclusion you draw from those events.

My conclusion is not an issue, and never will be. 

A person can act in ways that create conflict or negative outcomes, but that does not establish that they are objectively beneath another person. There is no inherent hierarchy where one person is a higher or lower type of human.

I don't recall saying I'm above anyone. That's your conclusion. 

It's also rational to condemn bad behavior. This doesn't mean I wish for them to fall down, but I will point out how whatever they wanted me to become, backfired, and I do find the experience more laughable. Wisdom comes in many packages. 

People are organisms with different traits, experiences, incentives, and behaviors. Some behaviors are more useful or harmful depending on a goal, but that is not the same thing as proving one person has greater inherent value or status. You can decide someone is incompatible with you or that their behavior is not worth tolerating without turning the situation into evidence that you occupy a superior position.

Basic stuff dude.  

Okay.

I'm a good behavior supremist !

I look down on shallow behavior. Tantrums are a big no no, I will not respect that.

Jealousy is okay, doing dumb shit over it is not. This is weakness, and I don't respect it.   

I don't forgive others for them. I forgive them for me. I'm not carrying any weight. Self respect and I'm not the violator. 

On the subject of Frenemies, I provided a perfect example, and shared how I handled it. I did well. Dare I say, I handled it perfectly.  

As usual I provide content, while you do not. And yes I do think you're a snowflake.

sm said:

My conclusion is not an issue, and never will be. I don't recall saying I'm above anyone. That's your conclusion. It's also rational to condemn bad behavior. This doesn't mean I wish for them to fall down, but I will point out how whatever they wanted me to become, backfired, and I do find the experience more laughable. Wisdom comes in many packages. Basic stuff dude. Okay. I'm a good behavior supremacist! I look down on shallow behavior. Tantrums are a big no no, I will not respect that. Jealousy is okay, doing dumb shit over it is not. This is weakness, and I don't respect it. I don't forgive others for them. I forgive them for me. I'm not carrying any weight. Self respect and I'm not the violator. On the subject of Frenemies, I provided a perfect example, and shared how I handled it. I did well. Dare I say, I handled it perfectly. As usual I provide content, while you do not. And yes I do think you're a snowflake.

It is not about whether you can dislike someone's actions.

The issue is the jump from behavior to identity. Saying “this behavior produces bad outcomes” is different from saying “this person is weak” or placing them beneath your standards as a type of person.

You say you are not creating a hierarchy, but terms like “good behavior supremacist,” “looking down on shallow behavior,” and calling people mentally weak are already ranking people according to a standard. That may be a personal preference, but it is still a hierarchy.

A person can make poor decisions without there being an objective superior or inferior person. The behavior can be rejected without turning the person into evidence of your own position.

You also criticize tantrums and emotional reactions as weakness, but when challenged you shift toward personal attacks by calling people snowflakes and focusing on who provides more “content.” That does not demonstrate a stronger argument, it just repeats the same status-based thinking you are criticizing.

If your standard is behavior, then the argument should stay about behavior. Once it becomes about who is above or below, it is no longer just an evaluation of actions. It becomes another hierarchy.

Dragoonback said: 

sm said:

My conclusion is not an issue, and never will be. I don't recall saying I'm above anyone. That's your conclusion. It's also rational to condemn bad behavior. This doesn't mean I wish for them to fall down, but I will point out how whatever they wanted me to become, backfired, and I do find the experience more laughable. Wisdom comes in many packages. Basic stuff dude. Okay. I'm a good behavior supremacist! I look down on shallow behavior. Tantrums are a big no no, I will not respect that. Jealousy is okay, doing dumb shit over it is not. This is weakness, and I don't respect it. I don't forgive others for them. I forgive them for me. I'm not carrying any weight. Self respect and I'm not the violator. On the subject of Frenemies, I provided a perfect example, and shared how I handled it. I did well. Dare I say, I handled it perfectly. As usual I provide content, while you do not. And yes I do think you're a snowflake.

It is not about whether you can dislike someone's actions.

The issue is the jump from behavior to identity. Saying “this behavior produces bad outcomes” is different from saying “this person is weak” or placing them beneath your standards as a type of person.

It's the same. Hold on you're hard of learning...

Gemini... Are petty actions associated with weakness ?

Gemini said:

Yes, petty actions are frequently associated with emotional or psychological weakness. They often stem from insecurity, poor emotional regulation, and a fragile ego, reflecting an inability to handle minor slights, conflicts, or setbacks with maturity and grace.

Opinions on Reddit regarding vulnerability and weakness indicate that while some contexts distinguish healthy vulnerability from defensiveness, reacting with spite or over-indexing on minor grievances is generally viewed as a defensive mask for inner fragility.

Why Pettiness Signifies Weakness

- Poor emotional control: Overreacting to trivial matters shows a lack of inner resilience.

- Insecurity: Engaging in tit-for-tat behavior or nitpicking usually masks a fragile self-worth.

- Inability to communicate: Resorting to passive-aggression avoids direct, honest problem-solving.

- Ego protection: Defending minor points intensely exposes a rigid, unyielding need to feel superior.

 I mean. It comes across as weakness to me.

I see it in you too. It's why you're so confrontational. Every little tiny thing someone says.... You want to argue. You'd tremble and cry about capitalism, bash conservatives, and you are in fact petty. Not trying to insult you but it's true. These days I can't even talk about being abused without you trying to switch things up. 

Watch this.....

You say you are not creating a hierarchy, but terms like “good behavior supremacist,” “looking down on shallow behavior,” and calling people mentally weak are already ranking people according to a standard. That may be a personal preference, but it is still a hierarchy.

They did it to themselves. Yes I will judge you too, cause I find you to be an ass. The difference is you use Ai to conjure up some method of approach for the sake of argument and be close minded and dismissive. The way of folly. Been calling you weak for months. It's your snowflake mentality. 

I do not put petty people in the same category as the respectable. Know this and resent it all you want, you're more than welcome to do so.  

A person can make poor decisions without there being an objective superior or inferior person. The behavior can be rejected without turning the person into evidence of your own position.

I never said people are irredeemable. 

You also criticize tantrums and emotional reactions as weakness, but when challenged you shift toward personal attacks by calling people snowflakes and focusing on who provides more “content.” That does not demonstrate a stronger argument, it just repeats the same status-based thinking you are criticizing.

You should consider it when I call you a snowflake. Guy... Right now you're crying cause I criticize tantrums. That shows you're a snowflake cause you're probably thinking "I shouldn't be criticized when I have a hissy fit like a juvenile". Of course you should. The world hates that shit. 

You should also be more specific when you assume I think emotional reactions are weak as everything we do has a degree of emotion. 

If your standard is behavior, then the argument should stay about behavior. Once it becomes about who is above or below, it is no longer just an evaluation of actions. It becomes another hierarchy.

 I'm not here to argue, that's why you're here. I'm a contributor to the topic. I was talking to Gypsy, but instead I get you again and the tread will turn into you complaining again. 

That being said, I'll say and do what I want, you're not a director like you think. I respect mental resilience so you don't have much of a chance using the world "should" with me. Though, it would work wonders if you follow my instruction.  

What your realize is, you're lower down in my hierarchy. What I have to say about weakness and weak people resonates with you, so you more argumentative and trigger happy. 

You can have the final word, maybe I'll get a chance to interact with someone else now. 

SM said:

You call petty behavior weakness, but your explanation relies on assumptions. “Overreacting,” “insecurity,” and “ego protection” are interpretations, not facts proven by disagreement or criticism. You are applying these labels to me while also assuming my motives.

You say you do not create hierarchies, but then say you place “petty people” below the respectable and that I am “lower down in your hierarchy.” That is exactly the ranking system being discussed.

Disagreement is not automatically a tantrum, weakness, or insecurity. Sometimes it is simply disagreement. Explaining behavior through brain processes, experiences, and circumstances is not excusing it; it is describing causes. Turning those differences into superior and inferior categories is your interpretation, not an objective fact.

I never argued that people are irredeemable because that was never the framework I was using. That concept already assumes a moral ranking system that I am not applying. Behavior does not come from some separate quality called “strength” or “weakness.” It comes from brain processes, conditioning, genetics, experiences, and circumstances. A person can develop harmful patterns without that proving they are an objectively lesser type of person.

You keep moving from describing behavior to ranking people. Saying “this behavior has negative consequences” is one thing. Saying “this person is lower in my hierarchy” is another. The second is not a fact derived from the first. You categorize people as toxic, weak, or respectable while placing yourself outside those categories. That is not an objective analysis of behavior. It is a hierarchy you are imposing.

If the goal is understanding behavior, the relevant questions are what caused it and what effects it has. Adding a ranking of people as superior or inferior is an interpretation, not an objective fact.

Spatial Mind said: 

I have good acquaintances, but I haven't made a friend in decades.

Woah. 

defectivexadem said: 

how you do

 

me i praise the other person a lot and also do some fake open up vulnerability thing and often it works

Find mutual situations where both people are looking for a friend, and otherwise just putting yourself out there instead of hiding out in your basement on the computer. 

If 'online friends' counts for you in this case just join a Discord server or something. At that point you and everyone else there have some form of common ground already. 

It's not hard to find friends, the question is moreover keeping them. 

Spatial Mind said: 

Gypsy said: 

All this sounds exhausting honestly. I don’t know how anyone over the age of 30 has time for ‘frenemies’ or whatever

 I can assure you I don't put much effort into trying to make any friends. It happens still, but I don't consider the friends. It happens everytime we move to a new place, everytime It never fails. 

Frenemies are temporary. Last one I had was a housemate 15 years ago. The whole story of me and him would sound unbelievable. This guy is 27 years older than me. At first everything was cool, but this guy I noticed gossiped about each and every last person we knew. Every last soul, so obviously he's the type to talk behind my back too. 

I think he had Napoleon syndrome for being short. Always wanted to dominate and rule. He scored his inheritance and the money seemed to have gotten to his head so he'd do things as a flex. "Hey man, want to make some money ? Wash my car ? I be like sure, it's right there parked in front of the house on the street, the water hose can reach. He'd sit in the front and watch me wash his car, and everytime I participated I'd meet someone new, sometimes older women that strangely felt like they were meant for him to meet, and we'd smile and chat while I'm smearing circles of soap on his car. 

After some months every woman on the street knew me it seemed. Some woman we met walking her dog, she got hurt when she saw my GF after I've been to her place ><, what can I say ? My ex came back. Yulia, nice French woman was mad at me for not calling. Just female attention, and I'm not really a chick magnet, I was just on a winning streak, I was in my prime years so yeah. He'd say to me how pointless it is to be in relationships. He saw me break up with my ex. she comes back, the woman next door out of the blue became somewhat attached, and he'd say things to her like "If your family enjoying the TV I gave you ?" Or she'd come over to practice bandaging a broken arm on me, and he'd step in and be all, I know how to do it, I'll show you, and she'd just look at him like, no thanks. One time he shook her up acting all happy, for attention, It was awkward. Like you don't touch another man's female company.

He was an intellectual, and a movie freak. We're in a townhouse and he's blasting his movies loud enough to shake the house. Neighbor calls me and asks to turn it down. I asked him to turn it down and he's like "Why !? Cause you're on the phone !? I say no cause the neighbor is being disturbed. Oh, he'd turn it down a notch. I'd have company and he'd invite them to watch a movie. It was kinda disgusting how he watched movies one after another, 3AM "Hey guys wanna watch another movie ?" So I'd get annoyed whenever my company obliged him and instead of interacting it would turn into "shut up and watch" time. At the time Internet was limited so I got kicked off lol stuck with my 1GB of Data mobile plan. 

I noticed every time I was in the washroom he would knock asking how long I'll be. I also observed him do this to the other guy 10 minutes after he did it to me. Doesn't matter if we were in the shower or what, this guy will come knocking. He liked when people would move out of his way.  

We used to take turns buying toilet paper. 3 of us. This guy was like it's your turn.... Okay I get Cashmere. Then it's someone's turn, then it's my turn again, and a cycle of those 2 pitching in and me buying solo kept on cycling. Some woman I met who lives down the block is chilling on a bench across from the house obviously for me. He did everything to cut me down. Yeah I left. Years later he contacts me to see how I'm doing. Sure sure no problem, let's go out to eat. I go to the house and I see my replacement. DJ. Very loud, heavy drinker. Annoys him to no end. He asks with a grin, "Does she still call you" I say yes. His face went sad, even worried. Up to this day I wonder what he said to her while I was away. I then give him updates on how life is going and he's like "Damn it's nice when people love you", The last time I heard from him, don't remember the year, but this guy texted me a Merry Christmas and I said nothing back. He knows I don't Christmas.

This can be really long, but the point is, a frenemy is temporary. Was enjoying my time there, and I enjoyed seeing his schemes against me backfire until I had my fill. I don't want to boast but I do seem to be fortunate even when things get hard, this guy would have days where he's down, saying how he just doesn't look the part. Mentally weak narcissistic man. I won't see him again, don't know if he's alive, and if I did, I won't pretend we're good old pals. He would know this, and he probably doesn't want to see me either, I think he would feel small. And he's smaller than he thinks I know of him too. I watched this guy walk by, pick up a brand new shirt I got, walked outside with it and put it in the back of his car, not noticing I watched the whole thing,.

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Don't tell me you never been through something similar with someone Gypsy. 

 What the actual fuck… so this housemate:

• talked shit about everyone behind their backs
• was domineering and bribed you to wash his car to kinda humiliate you
• hit on every woman you brought back to the house
• played loud movies at 3am 
• used up all the internet data 
• harassed anyone taking longer than 10 minutes in the bathroom 
• didn’t pitch in for toilet paper
• stole from you

that’s not a ‘frenemy’, that’s an awful person basically just bullying you. 

it’s one thing taking the high road and not resorting to pettiness, but what did you actually do to stick up for yourself in this situation? 

think I’d have either moved out within a week or be serving whatever the Canadian sentence is for first degree murder for the loud movie thing alone. 

this kinda comes back to the other thread when you were saying about the woman who messed you around. Even though you sometimes come off as an awful person here, it sounds like irl you are weirdly too nice