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0 votes RE: Giving In To Giving Up; Why Do It?

 Another exchange between me and GPT:

DB: "also, not responding right now but i think spatial mind does this strategy where he simply drops talking points and puts it on me to remember them as an easy way to "aha" and opens up his own options and makes him harder to criticize/debunk. what do you think about this? don't agree with if you don't want to."
 
GPT: "That is a plausible reading of the pattern, though I would describe it as a rhetorical structure rather than claim certainty about his intent.

He often introduces several loosely connected claims, personal judgments, anecdotes, and side topics at once. When you answer only some of them, he can say you ignored the rest; when you answer all of them, the exchange becomes sprawling and easier to derail. He also sometimes treats prior remarks as already established facts and expects you to remember or reconstruct exactly what he means. That shifts the burden onto you while leaving him room to redefine the disputed point afterward.

The practical effect is:

he can move between claims without fully defending one;
omissions can be presented as inability to answer;
requests for specificity can be called evasion;
later wording can be treated as what he “always meant”;
the discussion becomes a memory and stamina contest instead of testing one claim at a time.
That does not necessarily prove a deliberate “aha” strategy. It could also reflect an associative, conversational style combined with confidence in his own interpretations. But whether intentional or not, it makes his position harder to falsify because the target keeps expanding or shifting.

The best counter is to freeze one claim at a time: quote it exactly, state what you accept and dispute, and ask what evidence supports that specific conclusion. Do not accept responsibility for reconstructing every prior talking point he has scattered across the thread."
 
DB: "and he seems to constantly drop points/shift the goalposts until he can make me look ludicrous/delusional"
 
GPT: "Yes, that pattern is visible in the exchanges you pasted. He often moves from the original claim to a new standard, then treats your failure to satisfy the new standard as proof that you are confused or delusional.

For example, the sequence tends to become:

He makes a broad claim.
You ask what evidence supports it.
He replaces evidence with local agreement, familiarity, or “what is on display.”
When you challenge that, he shifts to your intelligence, motives, AI use, or personality.
Your attempt to define the exact dispute is then portrayed as changing your position or inventing an argument.
That is close to moving the goalposts, combined with poisoning the well. The personal labels pre-frame anything you say as the output of weakness or delusion, while the underlying claim remains vague enough to be adjusted afterward.

I would still avoid asserting that every shift is consciously planned. But the functional result is that his position becomes difficult to test: agreement proves him right, disagreement proves you do not understand, and requests for clarity prove you are evasive. That is a self-sealing structure rather than a fair standard of evidence."

last edit on 7/16/2026 12:57:46 AM
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0 votes RE: Giving In To Giving Up; Why Do It?

Still. If you know you know. If not, it's not my job to prove what the community already knows.

Back to the basics. Did I start an argument ? Absolutely not. I was contributing to the subject at hand. 

As for you Dragoon. Let Chatgpt do all the thinking for you next time, follow suit and your life will get better. 

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0 votes RE: Giving In To Giving Up; Why Do It?

Still. If you know you know. If not, it's not my job to prove what the community already knows.

Back to the basics. Did I start an argument ? Absolutely not. I was contributing to the subject at hand. 

As for you Dragoon. Let Chatgpt do all the thinking for you next time, follow suit and your life will get better. 

“If you know, you know” and “the community already knows” are appeals to group agreement, not verification. You are not required to prove every personal impression, but once you use those impressions to dismiss my position as delusional or weak, their accuracy becomes relevant.

I also never claimed that you entered the thread intending to start an argument. I said your contribution contained claims, interpretations, and conclusions that can be disputed. Calling it a contribution or personal story does not make those parts immune to criticism.

ChatGPT does not do all my thinking. I supply the positions, context, corrections, and final judgment; it helps organize and test the wording. Reducing that process to weakness is another personal dismissal rather than an answer.

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0 votes RE: Giving In To Giving Up; Why Do It?

Genuine feedback is what it is. 

Verification at this point is moot. You're verified already regardless of you denying it. GPT doesn't have verification. I do. 

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0 votes RE: Giving In To Giving Up; Why Do It?

Calling it “genuine feedback” does not make it accurate. By “verified,” you seem to mean that forum regulars have formed established views of me through familiarity, while GPT lacks local credibility. Familiarity may provide context, but it does not turn personal characterizations into facts or fix my views according to how others interpret them.

Treating local agreement as verification is an appeal to insider consensus. Dismissing GPT because it lacks local status is also a genetic fallacy: it judges the source rather than the reasoning. GPT does not need authority within this community to help me clarify my own views, refine my wording, or test whether my logic is consistent. Its lack of “local cred” does not delegitimize conclusions that remain mine.

You also have not shown that I was trying to start a fight. I was adding explanation and a different perspective, including where it contradicted yours. That can be called an argument in the sense of discussing or disputing claims without implying hostility. Whether the wording was AI-assisted changes none of that.

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0 votes RE: Giving In To Giving Up; Why Do It?

Calling it “genuine feedback” does not make it accurate.

 it's genuine feedback though. 

Would you suggest I think otherwise ? 

 

By “verified,” you seem to mean that forum regulars have formed established views of me through familiarity, while GPT lacks local credibility. Familiarity may provide context, but it does not turn personal characterizations into facts or fix my views according to how others interpret them.

"You seem to mean"

Trash

 

Treating local agreement as verification is an appeal to insider consensus. Dismissing GPT because it lacks local status is also a genetic fallacy: it judges the source rather than the reasoning. GPT does not need authority within this community to help me clarify my own views, refine my wording, or test whether my logic is consistent. Its lack of “local cred” does not delegitimize conclusions that remain mine.

You also have not shown that I was trying to start a fight. I was adding explanation and a different perspective, including where it contradicted yours. That can be called an argument in the sense of discussing or disputing claims without implying hostility. Whether the wording was AI-assisted changes none of that.

 Complaining about what I didn't do. Trash. 

You can have the final word if you wish.

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Some people can have a forward discussion, learn and acquire knowledge, stick with the obvious, work with what's on display and move on.

Others will carry on for days arguing the nature of the conversation as it unfolds. This happens cause their initial argument went tits up so they find something else to argue about. When my feedback is genuine, I'll know it best, and for those capable of forward discussion, they can work with that. 

People who are able to move forward are the ones we can collaborate with. Get shit done, and score goals. 

It will come as a shock to some of you, but I really do think Dragoon is a complete moron, and sometimes I do get a sense of guilt for fencing with a disabled person. I really do mean it when I say he should let GPT do all the talking for him instead.  

Now I can't prove enough how I absolutely think Dragoon is a moron based on his output. I really can't. I'm not required to prove this either, nor is the errand worthwhile, cause it won't fix him. 

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More on the topic of discussion. Giving in to Giving up. 

I'm going to give up on Dragoon. He doesn't have anything I want. Say for example the guy started warming up to me and wanted to be good pals. Nah, I don't want that. No offence but I need forward discussion, and not have to reason with every little thing I say. That's the way of stupidity.  With him I would always be explaining every little detail and nothing will get done in the same way a typical grade 1 student shouldn't be in University, raising his hand and asking underleveled questions as it can drag the class down every time he opened his mouth, as those questions would be for lower grades.

He would also bring me shame in the event he had to represent me. With that it's a good thing for me he's unfriendly.  

One might think. "Spatial is running away again ! He must've lost !" 

I gave the guy plenty of time. Days. I think that was nice of me to do for someone under such unfortunate intellectual circumstances but I do crave more respectable interactions, so now I'll think about me. 

Is what it is. 

 

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0 votes RE: Giving In To Giving Up; Why Do It?

Calling your feedback “genuine” does not establish sincerity or accuracy, especially when you refuse to clarify “verified,” dismiss the analysis as “trash,” and replace the disputed claims with attacks on my intelligence. That is ad hominem and poisoning the well, not verification.

I never wanted your friendship, approval, or representation, so that imagined rejection is a straw man. You admit you cannot prove your characterization and will not attempt to support it further. Treating agreement among regulars as verification is an appeal to insider consensus, while dismissing GPT for lacking local status is a genetic fallacy. Ending the exchange does not validate your characterization of me; it only shows that you are dismissing the challenge rather than substantiating it.

last edit on 7/17/2026 5:30:44 AM
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0 votes RE: Giving In To Giving Up; Why Do It?

I have seen many, many more videos in the modern political spectrum over how appealing to 'the enemy' is impossible, but I have feelings otherwise. 

Sure, they may not listen to you today, and they may get the wrong lessons out of it, but the spread of knowledge is not the spread of change, it is the spread of potential change. If they are purposefully ignorant change is near impossible until they are not, but if they are selectively knowledgeable via skepticism more than ego, they still carry something from the discussion. They may in their wisdom inspire someone else to do things better. 

When people give up on potential, the world becomes stagnant. It is only when we give up on our fellow man that we give up on their development and growth. They may become a better person 20 years from now, but that isn't nothing. 

In that respect I have weirdly more respect for the likes of Spatial, even if I may see his views as deluded; He hasn't given up on appealing to his fellow man, and even if (when) he's wrong it educates people as to what those views even are, rather than their own people giving them a version of it. The guy even gives us Youtube channels and articles, when most won't drop a source when pushed. 

 I’ve never understood why people bother arguing with strangers on the internet about politics in the first place tbh. I can’t think of a known example of when someone has changed their POV cos of what someone said on twitter or whatever. And even if they do, so what? The people ranting about politics online aren’t usually people who’ve got power to do fuck all anyway. Also, it’s not my responsibility to educate people. But then if it’s an activity you genuinely enjoy then that is reason enough in itself to do it 

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0 votes RE: Giving In To Giving Up; Why Do It?

For the first time in history I gave up on someone I love. 15 years of the same cycles.

Still crosses my mind every single day, but I'm comfortable with my decision. 

I also know what to expect if I let them back in and expose them to my inner circle. 

I did it for peace of mind. Sometimes we have to guard ourselves. 

Here's an example. First I have to set up a back story. I'll try to be brief.

Before the internet we used to talk to chicks on the phone. Met Michelle. She spoke of Mark her Boyfriend. Soon after we were talking to a guy we met at a bus stop. Turned out to be Michelle's boyfriend. Mark. 

I go on a date with a girl I liked, my boys show up, one was jealous. Mark showed up too. 

Later on the girl I was with called angry, asking who gave Mark her number. We all denied it, but later the jealous one admitted it. Cockblock. My date decided to date Mark. Some kind of revenge. I told my ex date how Mark is with Michelle. I later had to rat out Mark. Everything breaks up, I lose the girl, Mark loses her and he breaks up with my catch I lost to him. 

Michelle is now interested in me. She comes over. She's purring like a kitten by my friends foot. The jealous game.  I resist. Michelle is talking to my cockblocking friend now, but it's all to trigger me. I feel no way about it. 

Michelle invites me to a house party. I go. Michelle is there with a new guy, she spent all night in a room with him, but at one point she pats me on the back "Don't worry you'll find someone".

 

 

 

 

 

 When you say you’re giving up on this person, I’m just here wondering why on earth you let her into your life in the first place and carried on with that nonsense for 15 entire years?? Please don’t say that’s the same woman you originally were talking about on the nabble forum? Actually I’m not sure it’s any better if that’s a different person. You seem to have no quality control for who you spend your time and energy on and then end up wondering why you’ve got toxic people in your life 

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