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Jada said: 

If you plan to argue with theists, you need to understand their theism or they'll shut the door on you immediately. This is why I prefer to use The Bible to see how Satan was actually the good guy, rather than just sit there and use actual logic to disprove the notion of faith.

They won't doubt their faith until their system is broken down. If someone's a hardcore Harry Potter nerd, try arguing with them about how Voldemort had the right idea rather than insulting the idea of childrens' books overall.

Honestly when I see people make these arguments I feel sad, like I've been believing I have someone on my side and actually I just imagined the whole thing and got BSed. 

Except they clearly know 'The Devil's Advocate' was not on their side, and honestly I've had enough of Satan's Kool-Aid to struggle not to defend the poor guy. 

He's a noble beast, and God's a heartless AI with the prompt of 'Love' and far too much time to tangent from the intention. 

Many atheists laugh at Christians without knowing how painful it is to lose belief and how lonely you feel afterwards.

If they don't want to debate the subject, they won't bring it up or they'll let me know it makes them uncomfortable. 

Many prefer the fight as if they can convert me, so I might as well fight back as to convert them if they deal the first blow. There is plenty of Scripture that, when viewed in the right light, shows Satan to be the Angel of Light he truly is. 

It's doing both parties a favor to debate eachother when it comes to overall wisdom, and sometimes wisdom hurts even when over untrue subject matter over how it connects to both the human condition and the individual's reasons for faith. 

To clarify I say that as if Atheism is also a faith. You often see the religious/areligious flipflop when family members die over doubting where they currently are, rather than either having more or less merits to doubt over the other when you divorce your own POV from the argument. 

I regained my faith when I saw a dream about my home and I felt home, then I had a bad feeling about it when I woke up, and I thought my sister had died. I then received a phone call my grandpa died. It sounds like ridiculous but I'm convinced that it was my grandpa in my dream. I never had a close relationship but he had what was the essence of what I consider a happy spiritual life.

If your faith is attached to vulnerable areas, it tends to become clearer overtime why the debate's better to discontinue. 

Then there's people where it's just defending their ego, and they're fair game. 

Afterwards I felt really isolated because I had nobody I could share it with without them raising an eyebrow or even remotely understanding my experience.

Everyone has a divergent opinion raise eyebrows. 

Best they get used to it like the rest of us, rather than hide in ignorant self-privilege, unless they are clinging to it as a lifeline rather than the DEATHLINE Christianity tries to bake into their teachings. 

I'd argue it's less important to prove or disprove God, so much as offer that person what provides them growth. 

If I'm talking to some dude from Detroit who's going on about how religion saved his life and taught him to stop fighting, I'd be an asshole to be like 'well there's no weight to your claims'. It helped that dude become a better person, and I don't want to be the thing that sets them off on a Nihilistic Spiral.

There however are people in a position of more philosophical comfort (or egoism) that are basically asking for it over being the first offenders, so I tend to treat my Satanism as if Self-Defense with room to turn someone to the side of artistic light and worldly pleasures. You Only Live Once (YOLO), so we might as well live our best lives, and many best people's lives are divorced from the diatribe of opposing faiths. If they're willing to argue, they're willing to learn, so I take that as permission. 

If they want my conversion, I'll give it right back to them and remark on the decay of their faith after the fact, if their faith was ever pure in the first place. It's what they wish to give to me, so I'm allowed to reciprocate the 'favor' and enjoy it as much as they might have if they'd won. 'Eye for an Eye' right? 

In most cases they more get mad that I presented a question they weren't ready for, proving they weren't ready for the question and therefor testing their faith somehow... rather than their logic and reasoning skills. If they thought about it already, or put it through a modicum of logic, they'd be able to answer the question or otherwise admit to needing room to think about it rather than feel wounded somehow by it. It's people who have answers, as crazy as they might be, that otherwise show a history of research that I end up respecting more. 

People are allowed to be wrong, but I also want them to explain their reasoning so I can learn something. When they are reluctant to be fully honest in their perspective, or they are not fully fledged in the opinions they're spouting yet, it's an act of Wisdom to challenge that. 

Jada said: 

Afterwards I felt really isolated because I had nobody I could share it with without them raising an eyebrow or even remotely understanding my experience.

If anything that just proves the reality of just being a sticky little organism on this planet once all is said and done.

Spatial Mind said: 

In near death experiences, it's never Allah. There are even many cases where Muslims come back and convert to Christianity because of their experience and who and what they saw. 

There are many cases of Satanists converting to Christianity too over the same reason, while it's never the other way around. What do you make of stuff like this ?

 I've had "NDE" (which isn't even a real thing, it's more like you think you're in danger so your brain starts responding with chemicals) and all I thought "I might become a corpse soon, shit." Did not make me think superstitious bullcrap is real.

I'm not interested in comparing imaginary friends for the sake of determining which is best.

Xtianity annoys me. Volunteering to be a slave to the Patriarchy is voting against my own interests, thx.

Satanism is just trading one questionable supernatural object of unquestioning subservience for another.

And Satan is also portrayed as male.

Ethical egoism is the behavioural standard at the heart of Laveyan tradition.

So call it what it is.

Or do you ppl like the shock value of supernatural boogeymen to scare away Church Ladies who tryta tell you what to do? 😋

Dragoonback said: 

Spatial Mind said: 

In near death experiences, it's never Allah. There are even many cases where Muslims come back and convert to Christianity because of their experience and who and what they saw. 

There are many cases of Satanists converting to Christianity too over the same reason, while it's never the other way around. What do you make of stuff like this ?

 I've had "NDE" (which isn't even a real thing, it's more like you think you're in danger so your brain starts responding with chemicals) and all I thought "I might become a corpse soon, shit." Did not make me think superstitious bullcrap is real.

 Exactly.

I overdosed many years ago, and saw absolutely nothing while I was clinically dead.

Just nothing.

We simply cease to be.

If you want to put a "soul saving" spin on that, it was enough of a kick in the teeth for me to stop getting high. That was the day I stopped engaging in all chemical pleasures, including alcohol. I only allow myself mild pain relief if I'm injured. No more recreational drugs. Period.

Of course, I started dreaming about situations out of historical fiction in the months and years after that. But I'm nearly as reluctant to latch on to reincarnation doctrines. It's all pretty ridiculous when you think about how shitty and narcissistic humans are. Why would anybody want us to live forever?

And have you noticed how all those NDEs  on YouTube are the same lame story about meeting Jeebus? I smell bullshit. I think they're all bot channels. 😋

I'm more inclined to believe the latest fan theory about the anunnaki, tbh.

The old cuneiform tablets from around 2000 BCE say that the anunnaki were running from an extinction event on their  planet, and they came to earth because they needed gold to make their tech work. But they hated the task of extracting it so much that they engineered a slave race to work for them. They chose a willing sacrifice, and fused anunnaki dna with the apes on this planet.

Unfortunately, the DNA was not really compatible, and  anunnaki on the home world considered it a grave crime to tamper with another planet's evolution. That could explain why humans are so messed up and territorial and obsessed with enslaving everything around them. And apparently, the anunnaki can "hear" human energy signatures. Very loud and annoying to them. So they destroy humanity every 12 000 to 36 000 years. Probably so we won't destroy the entire planet. The Mesopotamian version of the story of Noahs flood (and yes, there is archaeological evidence that the flood actually happened) contains some fascinating evidence that the intervention and instructions to build the arc came from extraterrestrials. It was a submarine, not a boat. And there were no living animals. Just their dna. That makes a lot more sense than the original Flood story, imo. You'd need a boat the size of a shopping mall to put all that livestock on it lol

If nothing else, it would make a great sf series. And it's way more plausible than anything I've heard about gods and demons. I mean, what benevolent and omnipotent being demands absolute subservience like some narcissistic man baby human dick tater, anyway?

Then again, I'm also quite skeptical about extraterrestrials. Have you seen what Voyager and Hubbel are sending back? Do you know what happens to living creatures who spend too much time out there? Eesh.😨 The only way you'd get me on a space station or into a rocket would be if the planet were about to get blasted with a bunch of meteors like the one that hit Jupiter in 98.

Maybe that's a bit too Hume for the people here. But I can't help it. I don't believe in much, anymore.

Spatial Mind said: 

In near death experiences, it's never Allah. There are even many cases where Muslims come back and convert to Christianity because of their experience and who and what they saw. 

NDEs have you trip the fuck out on DMT, which like many other hallucinogens similar to Salvia or Ayahuasca has you see intense visions based on where your head was at at the time of the incident. NDEs not only report sightings of many different deities, be it ones of jubilation or ones of suffering, but lends to a similar reappraisal of one's understanding of life very similar to that of intense psychotropic drug tripping. 

Also very likely, since it's a religion of the desert, people experienced NDEs of their own in the extreme heat and thirst and returned having seen the classically understood one: Bright Light and Dark Voids. With those visuals realized, they likely wrote a religion around it that now confuses people ala Chicken or the Egg. 

Other people report shit like flying through space and landing on a planet made of music, or seeing vast endless fields of grass, trees, flowers and other nature. It's intense dreaming. A 'being of light' is also present in multiple religions, and elements between said religions share many, many elements with eachother. It's quite possible that NDEs are the guiding force behind much of religious iconography, rather than religious iconography justifying that NDEs had us see The Christian God. 

This is also why many with NDEs report shit like seeing a dead family member or friend; It's where their head was at at the time they realized they were dying. The messed up part about this method of tripping, is someone truly guiltless and Satanic could have a good time in this trip while a pious Christian prone to self-flagellation may see Hell instead over being so afraid of failing God. 

TLDR; I'd go so far as to claim NDEs over Heat Stroke or Scarcity could be responsible for the symbols we see in numerous religions. 

Turncoat said: 

The messed up part about this method of tripping, is someone truly guiltless and Satanic could have a good time in this trip while a pious Christian prone to self-flagellation may see Hell instead over being so afraid of failing God. 

Chapo's NDE will either be mundane or amazing, because of how he carries himself. 

Blanc's will be pure hell over her OCD. 

Turncoat said: 

Spatial Mind said: 

In near death experiences, it's never Allah. There are even many cases where Muslims come back and convert to Christianity because of their experience and who and what they saw. 

NDEs have you trip the fuck out on DMT, which like many other hallucinogens similar to Salvia or Ayahuasca has you see intense visions based on where your head was at at the time of the incident. NDEs not only report sightings of many different deities, be it ones of jubilation or ones of suffering, but lends to a similar reappraisal of one's understanding of life very similar to that of intense psychotropic drug tripping. 

That's your hypothesis but it's found that during an NDE the brain's electrical activity is too low or non existent and cannot produce the required amount of DMT to trip out on. 

Also very likely, since it's a religion of the desert, people experienced NDEs of their own in the extreme heat and thirst and returned having seen the classically understood one: Bright Light and Dark Voids. With those visuals realized, they likely wrote a religion around it that now confuses people ala Chicken or the Egg. 

That's dismissive of the wisdom that comes from Christ teachings. That all it takes is someone to see voids and light and here comes all this knowledge that produces functioning principals linked to living a smoother less problemic life.

I'd say the Chicken came before the egg, which is a concept more jarring to an atheist. The Chicken and the Rooster like all things simply had to be set up to procreate.  

Other people report shit like flying through space and landing on a planet made of music, or seeing vast endless fields of grass, trees, flowers and other nature. It's intense dreaming. A 'being of light' is also present in multiple religions, and elements between said religions share many, many elements with eachother. It's quite possible that NDEs are the guiding force behind much of religious iconography, rather than religious iconography justifying that NDEs had us see The Christian God. 

It says a lot when these experiences revolve around the same themes. It's not exactly the same as having a random dream of sitting in the back seat of your Father's car with some friends like I had today. 

Jesus Christ said people will be persecuted for following, speaking, or believing in him. : "Yet if anyone suffers as a Christian, let him not be ashamed, but let him glorify God in this matter."

For you as an atheist, the NDE conversation is where you'd focus on attacking something like religion, which is nothing more than an introductory to spirituality to someone like you. Christianity is not mentioned in the Bible, though the word Christian is which referred to Christ's 12 disciples. Christianity is a religion based on that.

When it comes to you, you'll always target Christianity which is the 1 world religion where people are in fact persecuted over, despite promoting good values. Muslims aren't the same and they do practice values that would bury you without a chance. Don't see you casting stones at Hinduism or anything else which is basically Satanic. 

This is also why many with NDEs report shit like seeing a dead family member or friend; It's where their head was at at the time they realized they were dying. The messed up part about this method of tripping, is someone truly guiltless and Satanic could have a good time in this trip while a pious Christian prone to self-flagellation may see Hell instead over being so afraid of failing God. 

 Again, the NDE having a reoccuring theme doesn't strike you as something noteworthy and while they do repeat these themes and experiences, it does nothing for you that the experiences are narrowed down to the same themes.

The hell NDE's are the most similar. It's darker than dark, yet you can still see. The stench, and the beings there. Very intelligent beings with such hatred and they act on it. 

You're also dismissing veridical NDEs, though that's just something you won't believe in period.

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Of all NDE's only 20% of them are reported to have experienced something other than no memory.

When looking into this stuff you'll see some people bullshitting. The way you can tell is if the testimony is being read. There's no feeling to what they're saying, and it goes against the usual themes. You'll see some Muslims talk about meeting allah for the sake of balancing the playing field. The landslide of NDE involving muslims are genuine and usually has them converting to Christianity, which gives an excuse to the stone faced muslim claiming getting a taste of Allah and the promised blessings which are Earthly things or pleasures of the flesh, which has nothing to do with our true state of being. Death sheds us for what we experience in the physical body, all stresses, pleasure, pain and physical preferences. Gone.