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Elli said: 

Imo, there's little meaningful difference between left and right any more. Decades of neo-liberal ideology fully embraced by both sides of the political spectrum have watered down what those labels used to mean. That and the overton window shift have left western democracies with choices concerning micro management of local economies and little else. Where Trump sits in that view, I don't even try to understand, as a non-American. I'm not seeing either side being more prone to woke policy than the other, until Trump recently taking a stand on some aspects. A lot of the craziness is the end result of the rot that postmodern nihilism has instilled in an entire generation, who have grown up with it robbing them of their potential sanity. Neither side of the political spectrum is immune to that atm.

Here is a simple test, choose the party that does not mandate experimental mRNA vaccines on it's public.

If your Government's party forced people to get vaccinated though coercion and fear, time to get a new government.

Mandating experimental medical procedures is what the doctors in Nazi Germany were hung for.

In my country we had a left state government imposing the federal mandate to impose the vax on everyone. The left state government imposed the most draconian lockdowns in the entire world, while the right wing federal went along. No independents or Greens or fringe party opposed or spoke out about any of it. Absolutely time for a new government (which we now have), but there's no real choice there that is any different - which is my entire point.

Elli said: 

In my country we had a left state government imposing the federal mandate to impose the vax on everyone. The left state government imposed the most draconian lockdowns in the entire world, while the right wing federal went along. No independents or Greens or fringe party opposed or spoke out about any of it. Absolutely time for a new government (which we now have), but there's no real choice there that is any different - which is my entire point.

 No choice? You said you have a new Government. Are they for freedom and free bodily choice? Have they closed the border to criminals? Are they for vetting immigrants so your country gets the best people? Are they controlling the food supply for more control of the people? Do they censor your free speech? Are your media outlets paid for and influenced by this new Government?

LiYang said: 

Elli said: 

In my country we had a left state government imposing the federal mandate to impose the vax on everyone. The left state government imposed the most draconian lockdowns in the entire world, while the right wing federal went along. No independents or Greens or fringe party opposed or spoke out about any of it. Absolutely time for a new government (which we now have), but there's no real choice there that is any different - which is my entire point.

 No choice? You said you have a new Government. Are they for freedom and free bodily choice? Have they closed the border to criminals? Are they for vetting immigrants so your country gets the best people? Are they controlling the food supply for more control of the people? Do they censor your free speech? Are your media outlets paid for and influenced by this new Government?

 Of course not!

Do you all think it's mostly people turning to the left rather than what it means to be on the right or on the left shifting to the left?

What Donald Trump said, for me, summed it up: The republican party is the party of common sense.

When I was young, I was a leftist by US standards. However, I've seen the pendulum swing so hard that, at some point, I became part of the right -- not because I moved an ninch, but because the pendulum moved so far to the left. In my childhood, the right were the nazis, the skinheads, the racist scumbags, and those who saw those below them as small and insignificant. However, that is not the right I see in the USA any longer.

Now, I see the right being those who believe in simple solutions. They're family-oriented, perhaps religious, champions of justice, and those who believe in traditional values like education, good character, simple economic policies, and straightforward punishment for breaking the law. On the left, I see a wish to apply advanced, sometimes cryptic, studies which are disconnected from reality, alongside the blind masses who try to apply those studies with only a superficial understanding. As a consequence, the left has become disconnected from reality.

It wasn't always like this; the left used to be quite down-to-earth. It was about equality, respect for others, and simple solutions to simple problems.

The best example is science. The left used to champion science. It is now the new right who champion the traditional scientific method, whereas the left has devolved to speculation and nonsense. We still get the occasional right-wing loonie who doesn't believe in global warming, but those are more rare these days.

The problem of the left is that it's filled with ideologues. It used to be that when we see evidence that something doesn't work, we try something else. I feel like it's less so these days.

tl;dr: Isn't it more that the pendulum has swung so far to the left that those who used to be left-wing are now essentially right-wing?

Do you all think it's mostly people turning to the right* rather than what it means to be on the right or on the left shifting to the left?