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@Jada yeah AI was really shitty, but id still use it for very simple mundane work, like writing some code 100 times or something like that. And i got tired of fixing its code, so i started giving it instructions on how to write code. When i started using claude i used these instructions from the start.

And yeah its not good at super complex work. Even in coding, it fails if ur project is huge and u dont set it up properly and even if u do, u still need to be careful and think about how to use it. At work i have a far more complex project and it fucks up way more often than at my personal projects. It is like writing pseudo code: you need to know what you want written, it just does it faster, you can't rely on it to do research for things you don't know. It can research for things you know you also would have to research and you know the most likely possible outcomes. But if its something totally new or unknow, its far more likely to fail. You have to review its work, always. It will work 90% of the time and then fuck it up completely 10%.

It is a great tool, but thats all it is.

btw copilot used to use chat gpt. now they use diff models, but there is no copilot model.

@Spatail

Ah i see what u mean now. I didnt know it was that bad tbh. I had noticed it was lagging my pc if i have claude run while i play a video game and I knew its from the claude code, but I didnt look deeper into why, because it was a small annoyance and I usually cant really use claude while i game (it requires my attention and focus still), it would happen rarely.

Jada said: 

Though I also teach them about the dangers of using AI, which is totally missing from this thread cause of the hype.

Really? No one?

what are the dangers really? AI is retarded. You have to verify its work. And you need to know how AI works so you know how to set it up and what to tell it. Like how context works and the quirks of your model, so you can prompt it better. Like making unit tests and reminding it of rules sometimes. Like making comments, having version history, having good documentation, so AI can read it and knows whats what. Or when AI struggles to document it so it wont struggle next time. And giving it more tools, like a headless browser, or ffmpeg, or a pdf reader, so it can do its job more efficiently. Or writing skills and plugins so you dont have to prompt the same thing 100 times. Or when and how to use sub agents...

Like i said, it is its own skill to use AI properly.

And for googling with it, i can write the same paragraph of issues and workarounds and workflows. Tho it is simpler.

- When machines became more common in factories, there were men who were against it as it threatened jobs. We'd hear stories of men who tried to outpace the machine, succeed then roll over and die, though that's probably a conceptual stories. Now they're faster there's more of them, no one complains about them cause they make mass production in the modern world possible to meet the demands of many products.

- In the 80's and 90's, especially the 90's 3D animation started taking off. The public called it Computer Animation, and it was so amazing how a computer to be used to make something so beautifully done. Still it had it's haters and there was a bit of a 2D vs 3D war. People were afraid the computer would replace 2D art. That never happened.

- Ai. It's been in its phase of haters for some time now. It started off as something interesting but then people started using Generative Ai to make animations. A western studio of 3D artists made a hilarious show called Anime Rock Paper Scissors. It wasn't fully Ai but rather it was acted out with costumes, and the Ai stylized the frames using Vampire Hunter D art style as a reference. Anime fans had a complete meltdown over it and started crying how Generative Ai will never be good, or as good, or good at all. This is the same thing when it comes to music and coding or basically anything Ai is machine learning to do.  

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When a disruptive technology comes out you'll know there's a new power in town when people get upset about it. 

Ai is evolving expedentially. It's not a straight line climbing on a graph, it's a curved one shooting upward on a time graph. It's evolving very quickly. 

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We know Math, but a lot of it is memory. Very few people are considered human calculators, and while it's impressive seeing someone crunch big numbers in their head at speed, it doesn't matter in the modern world cause we have calculators, if not we can draw out complex equations in the sand with a stick.

I do think, being born into a world with more advanced Ai than we have now, will make our civilization depend on Ai in ways that obstruct us from exploring our inner attributes and capabilities. 

Children will have visions, and get it done with Ai in ways we could not in a very recent past. The line between doing it ourselves and having it done will be blurred. People are already pointing at Ai output and asking who did this, or who made this ? And someone will say I did, or say who, but it really means what they had done.

What matters most to us is still in tact, but there will be cases where people will give the Ai what matters most.

Interestingly, the Pope is calling for the world to dismantle Ai. Not happening. The one to dismantle their Ai will get smoked by the ones who never did so. 

what are the dangers really? AI is retarded. You have to verify its work. And you need to know how AI works so you know how to set it up and what to tell it. Like how context works and the quirks of your model, so you can prompt it better. Like making unit tests and reminding it of rules sometimes. Like making comments, having version history, having good documentation, so AI can read it and knows whats what. Or when AI struggles to document it so it wont struggle next time. And giving it more tools, like a headless browser, or ffmpeg, or a pdf reader, so it can do its job more efficiently. Or writing skills and plugins so you dont have to prompt the same thing 100 times. Or when and how to use sub agents...

Yes AI is its own skill. 

The dangers of AI is the Google effect on steroids.

We lost and gained something when Internet came along, when calculators came along, when Google arrived, and now when AI arrived.

When I was in secondaey school I was told that I can't use the Internet for information, because there was concern over the authenticity of any information online. Instead, I was told I need to go to the library to pick a book and read it, so I can find good information. The thinking was that Internet was not good for finding information, and teachers were concerned regarding what happens when people just Google the stuff they're teaching and put it on a piece of paper.

Fast forward to future, fewer than ever University students use textbooks for learning. People's recall of basic facts has diminished, as predicted by the Google effect. The exams from the past are _insane_ in comparison to today's exams, when people had to master Jackson's or Landau and Lifschitz just to pass a University course. 

The Google effect is digital amnesia. Everyone hailed rote learning as the worst mechanism for study because we're supposed to learn critical thinking in schools instead, and then google all the readily available information. I think that was a mistake, because it de-emphasized the role of memory in learning. Most of what AI does is caching results, so it's not good because it's a computer monster, it's good because it memories a bunch of things and holds links between them.

What the Google effect is, is offloading our brain to the search engine. It's documented in neuroscience, your brain on Google looks more like scrambled eggs than a pristine machine. 

Translated to projects and learning, your ability to build upon your work gets hampered over time by digital amnesia. You can't remember details as well. You have to keep looking up basic information, and your focus goes down as you're overloaded with information. Every kid these days has adhd by the old standard.

The danger of AI is the documented Google effect on steroids, so digital amnesia x100. Without a conscious effort to protect against it, you offload your brain to an AI. On the other hand, it allow you to work on more high-level concepts, in some places, though AI so far has not been as good at simplifying and building upon its training data (because of mode collapse). There's also a psychological tendency to trust AI more than yourself, which is when people start iterating emails with AI, and lose the ability to execute basic functions. So that's the main detrimental effect, digital amnesia, or Google effect on steroids.

I protect against amnesia by  making a plan at the start of my day of work, writing my own documentation, doing things myself where I can, using terminal browsers and email, deleting my background picture from my computer monitors, and forcing myself to do everything I ever do from terminal. I am the king of focus and the king of rote memorization.

Easy test; summarise what you did in as much _detail_ as you can last Monday, and observe your brain scream in agony over you asking it to use a muscle it never has to.

Yes Google will index sites where people talk shit, but in this day and age a user ought to know how to authenticate the information they're digesting. 

The internet is a threat to Universities as everything they teach can be found online. University won't have you buying used textbooks, instead they'll sell you them, hundreds of dollars a piece while you're falling into debt. 

In reality, the internet can destroy a library.  Don't need to wait for the library to open and internet is ready, and it has every book in the library in various ways. 

What they call digital amnesia. I don't see it as a problem, and I'm from a time where we would memorize phone numbers and zip it in on a rotary dial then started punching it in on a spring loaded keypad.

I could memorize all these numbers I have now, but why ? 

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Few years ago some strange number called me, I saw a name on display so I answered it.

Dude is like "Who are you !" What...? "Who are you !" Guy had a calm aggressive tone, like a Ninja ready to cut me.

I said "Who am I... who are you, you called me ? Guy was like "No I did not !" then hangs up. 

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It's not very often we see "wrong number" happen these days, but I assure you it used to happen way more in the 80's 90's and early 2000's. The way I see it, that makes room for more error. 

The internet is a threat to Universities as everything they teach can be found online. University won't have you buying used textbooks, instead they'll sell you them, hundreds of dollars a piece while you're falling into debt.

Selling books is significantly less than 0.1% of revenue, and usually Unis dont pocket it.

No idea what you're trying to say here, that Universities are against the Internet? Do you know how the Internet got started?

I'm not for everything that Universities do, I'm pretty critical, but this is just bizarre. I was anyway talking about secondary school, not Universities.

What they call digital amnesia. I don't see it as a problem, and I'm from a time where we would memorize phone numbers and zip it in on a rotary dial then started punching it in on a spring loaded keypad.

Yes, Spatial, you don't need to memorize people's phone numbers. 

However, do you need to remember your mom's name, or can you look that up too?

It's the harmful part of digital amnesia that people are worried about, not so much the harmless part.

For example, I briefly had a student writing emails to his close collaborator using AI, because he was so unsure of his own ability to write emails, and it looked like alien wrote it. He delegated his entire brain to AI. The email could've been one line of text but now it was Dear Sir, and he kept editing it on autoloop, because the AI kept suggesting "improvements."

You have no idea of the horrors I've witnessed.

Jada said: 

The internet is a threat to Universities as everything they teach can be found online. University won't have you buying used textbooks, instead they'll sell you them, hundreds of dollars a piece while you're falling into debt.

Selling books is significantly less than 0.1% of revenue. 

It's a business within a a business. Money goes to the bookstore and publishers. I'm seeing here 2-15 million a year in revenue. 

And yes, you have to buy the damn book. It cannot be borrowed or passed down under any circumstance even if it's the same textbook.

No idea what you're trying to say here, that Universities are against the Internet? Do you know how the Internet got started?

Yes. It was a project from years of development from the 1960 for US defense. 

Were you going to tell me that it was created in a University ?

I'm not for everything that Universities do, but this is just bizarre. I was anyway talking about secondary school, not Universities.

Well I'm talking about Universities specifically. 

What they call digital amnesia. I don't see it as a problem, and I'm from a time where we would memorize phone numbers and zip it in on a rotary dial then started punching it in on a spring loaded keypad.

Yes, Spatial, you don't need to memorize people's phone numbers. 

However, do you need to remember your mom's name, or can you look that up too?

 I believe the topic of discussion is "digital amnesia" and not amnesia. 

Forgetting your Mother's name would be a case of amnesia Legga, as that kind of information wasn't acquired from a digital device. 

The whole concept of digital amnesia is in regard to what we've learned and forgotten online. This includes Phone numbers, and passwords along with any and all information obtained digitally. We have so many passwords at this point it's better off only remembering the ones that matter. 

Personally I don't really believe in digital amnesia. Textbook amnesia would also be a thing.

It's a business within a a business. Money goes to the bookstore and publishers. I'm seeing here 2-15 million a year in revenue.

And yes, you have to buy the damn book. It cannot be borrowed or passed down under any circumstance even if it's the same textbook.

....and that's why Universities hate the Internet.

Yes. It was a project from years of development from the 1960 for US defense.

Were you going to tell me that it was created in a University ?

Dude.

Look up the history of the development of the Internet, www, urls, early adopters, damn.

This is the most bizarre conspiracy I've heard to date, Universities against the world wide web because of book sales, which are less than 0.1% of revenue, even in the US.

I believe the topic of discussion is "digital amnesia" and not amnesia.

Forgetting your Mother's name would be a case of amnesia Legga, as that kind of information wasn't acquired from a digital device.

The whole concept of digital amnesia is in regard to what we've learned and forgotten online. This includes Phone numbers, and passwords along with any and all information obtained digitally. We have so many passwords at this point it's better off only remembering the ones that matter.

Personally I don't really believe in digital amnesia. Textbook amnesia would also be a thing.

Did you forget your cousin's phone number, or still remember it even after it was easy to look it up?

If you don't remember it, was it because it was digitally transmitted to you that you forgot it? 

You can look up your mom's name on your phone book as well. So why remember it?

Here's a less tongue-in-cheek example:

For example, I briefly had a student writing emails to his close collaborator using AI, because he was so unsure of his own ability to write emails, and it looked like alien wrote it. He delegated his entire brain to AI. The email could've been one line of text but now it was Dear Sir, and he kept editing it on autoloop, because the AI kept suggesting "improvements."

You have no idea of the horrors I've witnessed.

Jada said: 

It's a business within a a business. Money goes to the bookstore and publishers. I'm seeing here 2-15 million a year in revenue.

And yes, you have to buy the damn book. It cannot be borrowed or passed down under any circumstance even if it's the same textbook.

....and that's why Universities hate the Internet.

That's your words.

I said the Internet is a threat to Universities. Notice the offset.  

Yes. It was a project from years of development from the 1960 for US defense.

Were you going to tell me that it was created in a University ?

Dude.

Look up the history of the development of the Internet, www, urls, early adopters, damn.

This is the most bizarre conspiracy I've heard to date, Universities against the world wide web because of book sales, which are less than 0.1% of revenue, even in the US.

Okay that's nice, but listen. The internet is still a threat to Universities. They're still charging high prices for textbooks while the same information is at our fingertips. 

People can do anything with information found online, the difference with a University, they will charge you an arm and a leg, drive you into debt, and give you a degree that's inflationary since there's going to be a million others like it in society. Yes some fields require having an education even if you want to build a start up and run your own operation, but most professions don't require that. In general University preps people to go work for others. 

I believe the topic of discussion is "digital amnesia" and not amnesia.

Forgetting your Mother's name would be a case of amnesia Legga, as that kind of information wasn't acquired from a digital device.

The whole concept of digital amnesia is in regard to what we've learned and forgotten online. This includes Phone numbers, and passwords along with any and all information obtained digitally. We have so many passwords at this point it's better off only remembering the ones that matter.

Personally I don't really believe in digital amnesia. Textbook amnesia would also be a thing.

Did you forget your cousin's phone number, or still remember it even after it was easy to look it up?

None of my cousins phone numbers are easy to look up. They all live in another country. 

If you don't remember it, was it because it was digitally transmitted to you that you forgot it? 

I never studied the number to begin with. But I also have them on social media. 

You can look up your mom's name on your phone book as well. So why remember it?

To me and not just anyone the different between my Mother's name, and your name.

If I forget your name ( And I won't I promise you ) I will have to dig it up off a drive containing documents in .txt format.

I never learned by Mother's name through the internet Legga, nore is anything online preventing me from remembering my Mother's name.

IF I forget my her name that is amnesia. But if I forget your name, they will consider that digital amnesia.

Here's a less tongue-in-cheek example:

For example, I briefly had a student writing emails to his close collaborator using AI, because he was so unsure of his own ability to write emails, and it looked like alien wrote it. He delegated his entire brain to AI. The email could've been one line of text but now it was Dear Sir, and he kept editing it on autoloop, because the AI kept suggesting "improvements."

You have no idea of the horrors I've witnessed.

 In my opinion, that's a double negative. 

1. The Student is either a dingbat or has brain damage. 

2. That Ai isn't good and the user is still unfit to function normally.

Are you afraid your mind can be reduced to the short term memory of a goldfish by using Ai ?