Sociopath Community

Tryptamine said: 

Disagree, it's not that people are "too weak for proper conflict." It's that for months to maybe even a year now it's been the same old cast, mostly 3 or 4 particular people who filled everything up and effectively hijacked the dialogue, and made the site unappealing to log into.

They only have the appearance of that much sway over a lack of activity from the others, which is why over the years that this was usually the case in the Summer moreso than other seasons. 

To some degree, the seeming absurdity of someone able to make a hot take that was easy to disagree with, yet made with genuine care and led to a lot of potential discussions, has also left the forum over their patience being outlasted with an audience that makes them feel unappreciated. Where before we could debate with someone like Spatial over the "values" of Top G by sticking to topic before the inevitable ad hom derailment, he has now quit from feeling like there's too much spotlight on him as of once he fully understood that neither Sugar nor Alena were on his side anymore, and that having Chapo as his main cheerleader wasn't a permanent solution. 

When the main ones left to argue with are literal autists (no offense), the less interesting side of ex-cons, and occasionally Turquie, the sophistication that was once there has gone away. To bring this back however we would need people willing to stand at the forefront and make topics that could risk them becoming a target on the website while their own support network stays silent, which is how multiple times in the past we'd resorted to kumbaya circles until those too inevitably fell apart. 

The copy/pasta spam is typically around two to four posts a day, and we usually have at least one or two puppets posting weird shit like poetry, but without others making for commentary that starts to look like the focal point rather than the garnish. There was a time people were stronger than a few puppets, some copy/pasta, and those who remain here, but as is they feel as if trying to talk to them is like bashing their head against a wall over how there is no give, no compromise, effectively a near-aphasic response that leaves people asking why they are even a member of that conversation. 

Bottom line, if we don't try for new members, and do so as a fairly decent sized movement rather than just dragging one or two people at a time, this site will continue to decay with only cameos over "what we've been up to" persisting with the occasional activity boom over some event or seasonal solstice. If it dies, it died as a community as it's natural fate, but again I keep being surprised how long this death is actually taking. 

Tryptamine said: 

You've had this pattern of simping for a while now, same with the "poor blanc" shit you used to do before. You're using conditional statements to crouch your tacit support (against me) of something that wouldn't even make sense for me to do. But it only applies if it's true!

Why shouldn't I be concerned about Blanc though? I've been reading her topics for a while now and have seen many of her times she was reduced to either awkwardness or frustration as reasonable based on her life and the actions of some of her peers pressuring her. Watching you stringing her along like this has never been fun for me, just as it hadn't been for others you messed with, except you understand how she's able and willing to keep returning to your abuse. 

You can't seriously be this shook over some if statements, unless you see there's some level of merit to it. Maybe keep your temper (and your drinking) under control instead of blaming everyone else for responding naturally to it, as if you weren't out of control this conversation wouldn't even be a thing. 

CS and Blanc were having a debate in a public discord over it, I responded with four lines, and now you're making it out like it's all on me as some kind of PR move. Take some responsibility over yourself, we're responding to your actions as per the grapevine. If you didn't spend time trying to spotlight it like this, this wouldn't even have become a clarification topic. 

Turncoat said:

Why shouldn't I be concerned about Blanc though? I've been reading her topics for a while now and have seen many of her times she was reduced to either awkwardness or frustration as reasonable based on her life and the actions of some of her peers pressuring her. Watching you stringing her along like this has never been fun for me, just as it hadn't been for others you messed with, except you understand how she's able and willing to keep returning to your abuse. 

You can't seriously be this shook over some if statements, unless you see there's some level of merit to it. Maybe keep your temper (and your drinking) under control instead of blaming everyone else for responding naturally to it, as if you weren't so out of control this conversation wouldn't even be a thing. 

CS and Blanc were having a debate in a public discord over it, I responded with four lines, and now you're making it out like it's all on me as some kind of PR move. Take some responsibility over yourself. 

Now, there it is. Concern doesn't even bother me, it's the snakelike behavior that I find interesting. And it's not like this is a new thing you've tried to do with me, you've been doing this for years. Also, out of all of this abuse talk...have you ever considered I don't often defend myself on here because it involves re-litigating personal drama? And maybe sometime it's better to move on in a way that doesn't involve a fringe internet community? You don't even know what my grievances are or why there are problems, yet because it's me, you feel compelled to try to get a little hit in. And then what, I called you a faggot for it drunk later? Well deserved.

Tryptamine said: 

Turncoat said:

Why shouldn't I be concerned about Blanc though? I've been reading her topics for a while now and have seen many of her times she was reduced to either awkwardness or frustration as reasonable based on her life and the actions of some of her peers pressuring her. Watching you stringing her along like this has never been fun for me, just as it hadn't been for others you messed with, except you understand how she's able and willing to keep returning to your abuse. 

You can't seriously be this shook over some if statements, unless you see there's some level of merit to it. Maybe keep your temper (and your drinking) under control instead of blaming everyone else for responding naturally to it, as if you weren't so out of control this conversation wouldn't even be a thing. 

CS and Blanc were having a debate in a public discord over it, I responded with four lines, and now you're making it out like it's all on me as some kind of PR move. Take some responsibility over yourself. 

Now, there it is. Concern doesn't even bother me, it's the snakelike behavior that I find interesting.

I find it more interesting how, rather than focus on your own mistakes, that you're instead stuck looking at how people are responding to you. 

This must be why you never improve, people are responding to how you acted because you acted that way, and you are in many ways responsible for what has unfolded and continues to unfold now. 

And it's not like this is a new thing you've tried to do with me, you've been doing this for years. Also, out of all of this abuse talk...have you ever considered I don't often defend myself on here because it involves re-litigating personal drama?

If you were stronger still, you could withstand it as you once did.

Instead now you are afraid of "re-litigating personal drama" over how you don't know how to seek closure, don't know how to actually resolve the problem, as you continue to fall into depreciating loops. 

You're making it sound like you're walking through a minefield of potential fights, when really you're the one either laying the mines or forgetting to disarm the ones on your routes.

Blanc was that confused and willing to lash out at CS over how you do not know how to properly close a fight, over how you cannot compromise with them beyond telling yourself to keep your mouth shut and let them vent on occasion. You even try to use their venting to make them seem nuttier than they are, effectively an ad hom by proxy that further ignores how you were related to the display. 

And maybe sometime it's better to move on in a way that doesn't involve a fringe internet community?

You clearly have not moved on. 

You don't even know what my grievances are or why there are problems, yet because it's me, you feel compelled to try to get a little hit in. And then what, I called you a faggot for it drunk later? Well deserved.

All I did was comment on their conversation with some "if" statements, now you're going on about snakes and conspiracies and junk again. 

If you'd focus on your own problems, in this case at least since this time it is actually about you, you'd be able to live a more comfortable life. You worry about these things because you see them as not having been resolved, but rather instead brushed under the rug. 

Turncoat said:

I find it more interesting how, rather than focus on your own mistakes, that you're instead stuck looking at how people are responding to you.

Isn't the thread called "I apparently offended Tryp?", where the main subject is how I responded to something you said? I feel like we've been following this conversation just fine. I'm stuck looking at how people are responding to me? I'm barely around here nowadays, I don't think you even know how people respond to me aside from 2 people who recently had a dispute over me. The nature of that whole dispute being unknowable to you.

And it's not like this is a new thing you've tried to do with me, you've been doing this for years. Also, out of all of this abuse talk...have you ever considered I don't often defend myself on here because it involves re-litigating personal drama?

If you were stronger still, you could withstand it as you once did.

Instead now you are afraid of "re-litigating personal drama" over how you don't know how to seek closure, don't know how to actually resolve the problem, as you continue to fall into depreciating loops. 

You're making it sound like you're walking through a minefield of potential fights, when really you're the one either laying the mines or forgetting to disarm the ones on your routes.

Blanc was that confused and willing to lash out at CS over how you do not know how to properly close a fight, over how you cannot compromise with them beyond telling yourself to keep your mouth shut and let them vent on occasion. You even try to use their venting to make them seem nuttier than they are, effectively an ad hom by proxy that further ignores how you were related to the display. 

Lots of assumptions. I.e. you think I don't know how to get closure on arguments, I am causing fights all the time, etc. It says more about what you think about me. The venting part to make someone seem "nuttier than they are" is about the closest you get to reality here. Some of the venting in this community is pretty crazy, not even just talking about volume of it. I don't think if I point out a nutty rant, that I'm really making the person seem nuttier than they are, though. Maybe we just have different definitions of what is sane.

And maybe sometime it's better to move on in a way that doesn't involve a fringe internet community?

You clearly have not moved on. 

You don't even know what my grievances are or why there are problems, yet because it's me, you feel compelled to try to get a little hit in. And then what, I called you a faggot for it drunk later? Well deserved.

All I did was comment on their conversation with some "if" statements, now you're going on about snakes and conspiracies and junk again. 

If you'd focus on your own problems, in this case at least since this time it is actually about you, you'd be able to live a more comfortable life. You worry about these things because you see them as not having been resolved, but rather instead brushed under the rug.

Again, you're trying to paint a picture here, but part of the flaw here is that others know you can be snakey. You kind of proved it already in this thread where you tried to act like you were making innocent conditional statements, then the underlying thoughts behind those started coming out later in the thread. I'm doing alright with my own problems, maybe you can use a break off the site too.

Tryptamine said: 

Turncoat said:

I find it more interesting how, rather than focus on your own mistakes, that you're instead stuck looking at how people are responding to you.

Isn't the thread called "I apparently offended Tryp?", where the main subject is how I responded to something you said?

It's moreso a chronology, and I didn't think you were hit this hard by what I'd said until you brought it to the chat here. In that sense the OP is still doing it's job, and the drama you're trying to draw out of it to make it appear less about you still serves as part of the chronology. 

Without a chronology there'd be that much more room for it to warp into different shapes from rumors and stuff. This gives a hard record that can be looked back on to prevent things from going off the rails, as has always been a risk in the past with these things. 

I feel like we've been following this conversation just fine.

I didn't say you weren't following the conversation, but rather you're doing your table turning thing again when you could be looking at how this happened at all. 

Rather than fix what caused this you'd rather make it into some kind of fight, so that the problem can be about how people responded to you rather than what you did to trigger that response. 

I said a very basic thing, that this one thing must have been the "straw to break the camel's back", and look where you're taking it. 

In response to the rest of your stuff: 

I'm stuck looking at how people are responding to me?

You would say you aren't? 

I'm barely around here nowadays, I don't think you even know how people respond to me aside from 2 people who recently had a dispute over me. The nature of that whole dispute being unknowable to you.

They're "if" statements, if you didn't block her over that then they're nothing statements. 

 Lots of assumptions. I.e. you think I don't know how to get closure on arguments

I think I've seen your activity for long enough, in conjunction with your approach currently, to make that kind of conjecture. 

If you knew how to close arguments, why would you be so worried about reopening them? When I have finished an argument I typically leave it behind me, save for as data that may play into future stuff. If the argument ends up "re-litigated", then that means it was not closed and needs more work. 

I am causing fights all the time

I don't remember saying this one. 

It says more about what you think about me. The venting part to make someone seem "nuttier than they are" is about the closest you get to reality here. Some of the venting in this community is pretty crazy, not even just talking about volume of it. I don't think if I point out a nutty rant, that I'm really making the person seem nuttier than they are, though. Maybe we just have different definitions of what is sane.

This is all coming from some "if" statements. Look in the mirror, if you were more secure over your actions and your circumstances you wouldn't be chimping out like this. 

I'm doing alright with my own problems

Then why are you getting on my case about it over some conditional statements if you're fine with your own problems? 

From what I can tell, this is you doing Textbook Tryp. We have older topics where you do the same table turning strats to try to avoid looking at the real problem. At this point you are resorting to ad hom over merely feeling observed and having your history recounted comparatively.

From my POV at least, it frankly to me looks like you being mad that someone would try to dispel your near-gaslighting (for lack of a better term) over Blanc, since creating contradictions towards your narrative risks her showing more confidence. 
 

maybe you can use a break off the site too.

Blaming the site, rather than looking at the problem itself. 

Classic SC. 

For real, look at it again: 

Turncoat said: 

June 21st: I reply with the following: 

Turncoat said: 

Blaming the site, rather than looking at the problem itself. 

Classic SC. 

I moreso meant that it could be good to detach for a bit, because on the whole this is somewhat silly behavior for adults.

I wouldn't even mind arguing with your schizo plots a bit more, if they were less trying to attack on so many different angles at once. You accuse me of ad homs, but you're calling out what you see as "textbook Tryp" in the same breath. We're on a thread where I address something you say, but now the problem is that I'm not focusing on myself (as if I did anything wrong recently, lol). It's an innocent conditional statement at the start, but then no, it's a friend you care about—As if we have not been over this issue with this particular friend more than once, where you try to characterize me as an abuser. You talk chronology and how it's so important to what you have to say, while simultaneously trying to accuse me of being crazy when I point out your own timeline. And then some of the points are just asinine. Like this gold nugget:

Instead now you are afraid of "re-litigating personal drama" over how you don't know how to seek closure, don't know how to actually resolve the problem, as you continue to fall into depreciating loops.

No, it's just because I don't necessarily want total personal information on a web site where people do weird stuff with it. No shit, re-litigating means there isn't total closure. But that doesn't mean I have a problem with re-litigating, even. The problem is with the context of where. But we've already been over this before, you've said that I do that to have narrative control. This is similar to other disagreements we've had in the past, where you try to mind read me and then make the conversation about me and how I'm wrong.

Even now you can't see your own contribution towards how it's become this, focusing entirely on the others, and to elaborate on it even further you say you've made no mistakes recently. 🤦

I didn't say anything complicated, and here you are still doing the "Textbook Tryp" strat of Table Turning. You are refusing to address the problem while stuck in a loop of "No U", which is what will continue to perpetuate these kinds of things that I'm betting you don't want happening either.