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healingqueen said:

first of all use it on everything to the max, if too much cancel and tone down or cancel and change the formula until it is not too much because I would rather overdo it and correct the dosage than under do it and be missing a lot of healing potential

If the goal is to remain warm, imagine the above as if it were Fire and Gasoline. 😨

I have personally ascribed to the belief that the happier I open myself up to being, the more I also open myself up to equal proportions of every other feeling potentially.

This before had me try to shield from feeling things at all so that I could function, but with more life experience (and better sleep) I have aimed to try to deal with other intense negative emotions so that I can allow myself to be happy. 

By contrast, you seem as if unable to shield yourself at all, riding bliss like a drug and crashing hard on the fall. 

I have also learned that there is such a thing as being too happy, or too upwards, but that while in it everything's going too quickly to self-correct. 

Turncoat said: 

how do you personally justify shielding Turncoat when you believe in having an equal balance of dark and light within all of us?

I look at it as a matter of perception's room to encode helpful versus harmful experiences, and the patterns that people find themselves in which can through repetition reinforce their situation. 

It can often be overstimulation that stops someone from their pain becoming a lesson, instead learning "OW THAT HURTS" rather than anything constructive, even to the degree in some cases of them seeking that same pain again and again. 

As you mentioned before, moderation and balance are what are ideal. With most people, over how naturally shielding comes to people if they do not opt for Avoidant strategies, I am usually having to advise that they LOWER their shield so that they can experience more, but you by contrast are coming at it from the opposite angle; With no shielding at all you are blinded by the pain itself. 

A lot of coping strategies can fall into either fortification or escapism, and in those forms they tend to prove pattern forming and addictive. I do not recommend those kind, but anything otherwise harmless like protective circles and candles I can actually argue the benefits of through what I have learned in Psychology. 

is it more that you do not believe that we should necessarily allow ourselves to connect to other people's darkness and the darkness of the world? 

I believe in fortifying myself so that I can take on another's darkness enough to relate to it, then use that empathic connection to heal us both of the affliction together. 

It has been how I've handled a surprising amount of people, even some one day strangers. There are a surprising number of people who just need someone to not judge them while letting them vent for a night to clear out years of baggage, and on the road I ended up this for some people as well as at college and other places. 

Something as simple as a "I feel you man" can sometimes do a lot of good. 

see this is confusing me because I feel like everything within me should be reflected outside of me so if I am allowing my shadow to become conscious shouldn't I also allow everything else around me to exist as it is without trying to put a shield against it? I am very confused and I need answers because I feel like my mind is all tangled up and in a mess

Remember that now is now, and that you are weathering through a storm. 

It's what I have to remind myself during such times anyway. 

hold on how do you take on another's darkness if you are shielding can you explain this concept ?

Turncoat said: 

healingqueen said:

first of all use it on everything to the max, if too much cancel and tone down or cancel and change the formula until it is not too much because I would rather overdo it and correct the dosage than under do it and be missing a lot of healing potential

If the goal is to remain warm, imagine the above as if it were Fire and Gasoline. 😨

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I have personally ascribed to the belief that the happier I open myself up to being, the more I also open myself up to equal proportions of every other feeling potentially.

This before had me try to shield from feeling things at all so that I could function, but with more life experience (and better sleep) I have aimed to try to deal with other intense negative emotions so that I can allow myself to be happy. 

By contrast, you seem as if unable to shield yourself at all, riding bliss like a drug and crashing hard on the fall. 

I have also learned that there is such a thing as being too happy, or too upwards, but that while in it everything's going too quickly to self-correct. 

you missed where I said that because it is spiritual and not a physical substance that it is easier for me to quickly make the adjustments  like I can stop anything going wrong in an instant

healingqueen said: 

Turncoat said: 

how do you personally justify shielding Turncoat when you believe in having an equal balance of dark and light within all of us?

I look at it as a matter of perception's room to encode helpful versus harmful experiences, and the patterns that people find themselves in which can through repetition reinforce their situation. 

It can often be overstimulation that stops someone from their pain becoming a lesson, instead learning "OW THAT HURTS" rather than anything constructive, even to the degree in some cases of them seeking that same pain again and again. 

As you mentioned before, moderation and balance are what are ideal. With most people, over how naturally shielding comes to people if they do not opt for Avoidant strategies, I am usually having to advise that they LOWER their shield so that they can experience more, but you by contrast are coming at it from the opposite angle; With no shielding at all you are blinded by the pain itself. 

A lot of coping strategies can fall into either fortification or escapism, and in those forms they tend to prove pattern forming and addictive. I do not recommend those kind, but anything otherwise harmless like protective circles and candles I can actually argue the benefits of through what I have learned in Psychology. 

is it more that you do not believe that we should necessarily allow ourselves to connect to other people's darkness and the darkness of the world? 

I believe in fortifying myself so that I can take on another's darkness enough to relate to it, then use that empathic connection to heal us both of the affliction together. 

It has been how I've handled a surprising amount of people, even some one day strangers. There are a surprising number of people who just need someone to not judge them while letting them vent for a night to clear out years of baggage, and on the road I ended up this for some people as well as at college and other places. 

Something as simple as a "I feel you man" can sometimes do a lot of good. 

see this is confusing me because I feel like everything within me should be reflected outside of me so if I am allowing my shadow to become conscious shouldn't I also allow everything else around me to exist as it is without trying to put a shield against it? I am very confused and I need answers because I feel like my mind is all tangled up and in a mess

Remember that now is now, and that you are weathering through a storm. 

It's what I have to remind myself during such times anyway. 

hold on how do you take on another's darkness if you are shielding can you explain this concept ?

By being with someone, within their radius, I can feel their feelings for the most part whether I like it or not. If not through that it tends to often be in context clues, which while that may not provide the entire picture it can offer enough to form detailed hunches. 

By attempting to relate to another's pain, the more you open yourself up to it the more you risk letting elements of their sickness in, especially if they are relatable to you. The show Mr. Robot of all things lightly talks about a realistic example, the contagion of traits from similar enough disorders such as two OCD people going over unrelated quirks accidently causing eachother to acquire the behavior through their room to relate to one another. 

You can often see more literal forms of this done with groups like Alcoholics Anonymous, using their fortified state to mentor others into resisting the temptations that they themselves fought through for it's wisdom, offering a form of modeling for like-minded people.

Normally if you threw two Alcoholics together you'd just have a party, or you threw an Alcoholic at a Clean person and they find the experience entirely unrelatable. With two Alcoholics with one possessing the Wisdom of resistance against their Vice however you can see the similarities serve as enough to make a bridge through their ease of empathic connection and through eerily relatable experiences having more room to resonate than it would from other people outside of that cluster. 

Relatability in their case is an Empathic shortcut, as it establishes Common Ground for them to work with and perspective take, even Sympathize. Even without talking there is usually some level of recognition over their similarities forcing some level of mirroring mentally. 


Effectively, the goal as a Healer of most disciplines is to be strong enough to carry both yourself and the person being helped. To help others though you must first help yourself, I mean imagine a Doctor who came to work sick all the time, s/he'd spread it to the patients. 

healingqueen said: 

Turncoat said: 

healingqueen said:

first of all use it on everything to the max, if too much cancel and tone down or cancel and change the formula until it is not too much because I would rather overdo it and correct the dosage than under do it and be missing a lot of healing potential

If the goal is to remain warm, imagine the above as if it were Fire and Gasoline. 😨

---

I have personally ascribed to the belief that the happier I open myself up to being, the more I also open myself up to equal proportions of every other feeling potentially.

This before had me try to shield from feeling things at all so that I could function, but with more life experience (and better sleep) I have aimed to try to deal with other intense negative emotions so that I can allow myself to be happy. 

By contrast, you seem as if unable to shield yourself at all, riding bliss like a drug and crashing hard on the fall. 

I have also learned that there is such a thing as being too happy, or too upwards, but that while in it everything's going too quickly to self-correct. 

you missed where I said that because it is spiritual and not a physical substance that it is easier for me to quickly make the adjustments  like I can stop anything going wrong in an instant

I feel like your outcomes beg to differ, personally. Afterwards your emotions end up flying all over the place, seemingly out of your control. 

You have a moment of overconfidence and then you Icarus, when feeling something coming on would normally be the best time to try to chill out to level through it. 

Turncoat what do you think of core wound healing?  I think that this is the direction that I am being guided in  I think that I am being guided to journey to all of my core wounds and heal them except I am not sure what exactly this process needs to look like  the pieces are still coming together on this one  it always happens like I get this overall idea and then how to actually apply it (usually too slowly for my liking)  comes together  if I am going to journey I need to have a safe efficient method  and I prefer methods that do not waste time or energy because I have internal distress going on and every time I think that oh everything is going to be fine, no, more stuff comes up, and also yeah like I mentioned having had chronic fatigue syndrome and not much energy I prefer to conserve  (although I have been having some more energy lately and I like it!! )

oh but besides specifically journeying are there any other methods that you would recommend?

healingqueen said: 

Turncoat what do you think of core wound healing?

I'd say it's not something I know about really, my understanding is mostly foundational with a Psych focus, which has comparisons to a lot of things some modern Shaman refer to as if magic. 

I think that this is the direction that I am being guided in I think that I am being guided to journey to all of my core wounds and heal them except I am not sure what exactly this process needs to look like the pieces are still coming together on this one 

What has you sure this one's the answer? 

How long do you figure this path would take others to walk? 

it always happens like I get this overall idea and then how to actually apply it (usually too slowly for my liking)  comes together  if I am going to journey I need to have a safe efficient method  and I prefer methods that do not waste time or energy because I have internal distress going on and every time I think that oh everything is going to be fine, no, more stuff comes up, and also yeah like I mentioned having had chronic fatigue syndrome and not much energy I prefer to conserve 

It is a bit like a canteen, with room to fill at streams during the walk.

The water though is Sanity, and the thirst appears as Stress. 

(although I have been having some more energy lately and I like it!! )

Riding high on bliss, crashing hard on the way down. 

What comes up must come down. 

Even the Psych field goes by that logic without ascribing it towards anything magical. 

oh but besides specifically journeying are there any other methods that you would recommend?

I'm going to be a broken record and just repeat the virtues of Patience, Fortification, and Calm when it comes to growth and the pursuit of distressing areas. 

Regardless of what path you find yourself on, whether it's a straight path or one with many bends and curves, that those three things would still apply to you over them being central to you. They are related to your own personal struggles so they are likely to reveal their necessity regardless of what names their antithesis are going by that year. 

You've gone on so long with avoidance and direct exposure that Fortification seems weird to you, when it is something many take for granted without even noticing themselves doing it. 

Turncoat said: 

healingqueen said: 

Turncoat what do you think of core wound healing?

I'd say it's not something I know about really, my understanding is mostly foundational with a Psych focus, which has comparisons to a lot of things some modern Shaman refer to as if magic. 

I think that this is the direction that I am being guided in I think that I am being guided to journey to all of my core wounds and heal them except I am not sure what exactly this process needs to look like the pieces are still coming together on this one 

What has you sure this one's the answer? 

How long do you figure this path would take others to walk? 

it always happens like I get this overall idea and then how to actually apply it (usually too slowly for my liking)  comes together  if I am going to journey I need to have a safe efficient method  and I prefer methods that do not waste time or energy because I have internal distress going on and every time I think that oh everything is going to be fine, no, more stuff comes up, and also yeah like I mentioned having had chronic fatigue syndrome and not much energy I prefer to conserve 

It is a bit like a canteen, with room to fill at streams during the walk.

The water though is Sanity, and the thirst appears as Stress. 

(although I have been having some more energy lately and I like it!! )

Riding high on bliss, crashing hard on the way down. 

What comes up must come down. 

Even the Psych field goes by that logic without ascribing it towards anything magical. 

oh but besides specifically journeying are there any other methods that you would recommend?

I'm going to be a broken record and just repeat the virtues of Patience, Fortification, and Calm when it comes to growth and the pursuit of distressing areas. 

Regardless of what path you find yourself on, whether it's a straight path or one with many bends and curves, that those three things would still apply to you over them being central to you. They are related to your own personal struggles so they are likely to reveal their necessity regardless of what names their antithesis are going by that year. 

You've gone on so long with avoidance and direct exposure that Fortification seems weird to you, when it is something many take for granted without even noticing themselves doing it. 

my energy has increased in both the light and the lows though,  soo my overall energy is increased and I am going to gratefully thank my energy healer and my shamanic practitioner healer for contributing to this  even my energy healer gave me a shield but there is a code word to use it and I do not use it  I do not want to be too scared to take on my own personal demons and fears and illnesses as well the demons and fears and illnesses of my community  (although I see what I have taken on as primarily the psychological illnesses of the community which can sometimes manifest as physical rather than just straight physical illnesses at least this is what spirit has given me to heal so far)  and if this means that my healing is going to take longer then I do not care because like you said- patience

anyway,  despite what appears as "madness" to other people this is wednesday february 22nd and I am feeling fine other than feeling intimidated by knowing that I am going to have to seek out and heal all of my core wounds as I have been guided  and yeah I definitely feel like if anything incurably horrible would happen to me that it would have already happened by now  also I put the responsibility on spirit and God to tell me what I need to know because I pray for it and then listen for their guidance

I do not really care if anyone else wants me to behave any differently because I need to go through my own personal lessons myself  it is my responsibility to get myself out of psychosis and I am the ONLY person who can save myself,  no one else is going to save my life or fix me for me  it all has to come from listening to God and to my intuition

https://youtu.be/1fh6QBwnxwk

from the youtube video- "before I became my shaman's road, I experienced many tortures  I was very sick and I suffered greatly to become a shaman. my spirits dragged me everywhere and I suffered very much.  If you obey the spirits' will then you will become a shaman. but, I didn't want to become a shaman  and I had constant visions in my dreams a voice forced me and dictated to me what I should do  day and night there was no peace, and I was afflicted with constant pain, so-  I had to become a shaman"

and my guides are forcing me to start primarily listening to my intuition for answers more than from other people anymore  like the order instead of going seek external advice and take what resonates with your intuition,  now it is seek internal advice first and if external advice is given along the way that might resonate then cool and if not then leave it"  they are switching the order up on me

you could try talking to the spirits that are controlling me if you want to (you probably have some shamanic abilities yourself that struggling with schizophrenia might have opened up in you),  but I am pretty much at their whim  I have tried resisting this path for my entire life tried to break free from feeling controlled and like I had no free will over my life but it did not work soo I am very much stuck with this calling and that is why I finally gave full control of myself over to God / all that is and dissolved my boundaries since I never felt like I had freewill anyway

healingqueen said:

my energy has increased in both the light and the lows though, soo my overall energy is increased and I am going to gratefully thank my energy healer and my shamanic practitioner healer for contributing to this even my energy healer gave me a shield but there is a code word to use it and I do not use it I do not want to be too scared to take on my own personal demons and fears and illnesses as well the demons and fears and illnesses of my community (although I see what I have taken on as primarily the psychological illnesses of the community which can sometimes manifest as physical rather than just straight physical illnesses at least this is what spirit has given me to heal so far) and if this means that my healing is going to take longer then I do not care because like you said- patience

anyway, despite what appears as "madness" to other people this is wednesday february 22nd and I am feeling fine other than feeling intimidated by knowing that I am going to have to seek out and heal all of my core wounds as I have been guided and yeah I definitely feel like if anything incurably horrible would happen to me that it would have already happened by now also I put the responsibility on spirit and God to tell me what I need to know because I pray for it and then listen for their guidance

You have this weird idea that if you are patient that it will fail, but in exchange you keep going into toxic springs with no protection and then find yourself, down the line, fleeing it and cussing yourself out over it.

I still see it as you trying to fight your fear of snakes by swimming in a pit of them, then when you come out poisoned you're like "What happened?". 

If you could protect yourself just enough to not have to flee, to not become overstimulated by the process, you will walk out of it with more experience.

It's like how Testing Anxiety can ruin someone's test scores, in spite of how smart or studied up they may be. By working on that anxiety their skills in the subject itself have more room to shine. 

all of those times that I became Christian again were me pleading with "life" to stop tormenting me  (but it was really the spirits that were tormenting me)  and also they wanted me to work through my christian programming from childhood since they find some of christianity harmful