Aren't you an atheist ?
You certainly were before.
=== Meanwhile, in Spatial's Escape Hatch ===Tryptamine:
i think you can defend slavery in that argument with tc
but you would have to agree with him that the bible promoted it
if everyone was on the same page as that, slavery was just how the game was 1000 BC
Canary:
I don't think it did
It was how the game was
Tryptamine:
did the tribe is israel never take slaves?
i think they did
tribe of*
Canary:
I think everyone did
Tryptamine:
right
but i think god was telling them how to split all the spoils up in war too
like "take this many slaves, this many ox"
i might have to actually read the bible fml
Canary:
I'm not saying if it's good or bad, it's how we treat people and nothing more
Tryptamine:
why are you guys arguing about it
Canary:
TC is trying to justify Satanism and why we should be thankful for Satan
Tryptamine:
classical progressive
Canary:
He made it a point to suggest God promoted slavery
Tryptamine:
the argument writes itself
Canary:
For real
I'm not all that interested in keeping it up though. I had my say
It's not up to me to change his mind
Tryptamine:
i don't know if you two can ever reach a middle ground
Canary:
I'm the last person who can change his mind on anything
Tryptamine:
yeah and vice versa probably
it's been like that since i first joined lol
it is entertaining because the arguments drag out long
i appreciate that about it
Canary:
Only if we're talking about a common interest
Tryptamine:
oh maybe art or something
i can see that
Canary:
It goes back to Nabble
I broke TC in. Like he never...
Never had someone rip him a new one online like I did
He used a CG avatar. Looked like some strange blue animal thing
This is year 11
Med, squeeze on over here and grab the wheel.
I'm going to jump out
Hurry up.
Nvm too slow. Trypt. Grab the wheel you drunk
Fuck it this is my stop. *Slips out the window and gets destroyed on the pavement*
You mean this?
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Aren't you an atheist ?
You certainly were before.
In general, I like to visit the symbols of multiple life paths to learn to convey my point through what they're used to.
As a matter of Folklore you can see me defending this just as much as I'd defend the in-world consistency of a TV Show, Movie, Book, Manga, Webcomic, etc. It does not have to be real to be discussed as a piece of literature any more than knowing a Sci-Fi Fan who took Star Trek too seriously and learned how to speak Klingon, or even the nutbars who write fanfic in their head over the source material, identify too closely to it, or imagine that their lives are somehow related to it like Vampire Kids did when we had that wave of Vamp Drama pass through for a few decades.
This however when filtered through The Bible makes itself out to appear as near-absurdist devil worship, but when you look at why it makes said devil seem more human than the supposed Mentor figure, like as if God were a Propagandist against an Artist who dared to be more than a slave, and showed us a light of his own that could grant us different choices through awareness, and the furthered potential for wisdom beyond the natural.
I otherwise had some Bible exposure growing up that had me carry sympathy for their antagonist like that of a Disney movie. You could see me argue just as much over Jafar in Aladdin, as a matter of lore in-world it has a consistency that has me like "Wait what?" at the author. If it did turn out to be real I've already made which side I'd relate towards pretty clear, as every time I hear people defend God they sound like idiots 95% of the time who didn't do their homework.
Also if I did worship Satan, wouldn't saying the entire thing's not real contribute towards further Satanism? Food for thought. 😉
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I was correct about the slavery. I’m on mobile though, so this has to suffice:
In addition, an obvious loophole is that a girl or woman could be bought as a wife for a male slave, rather than for the slave owner or a son, and this resulted in permanent enslavement to the owner (Exod. 21:4), even when the husband's term of enslavement ended. The woman became a permanent slave to an owner who did not become her husband and who owed her none of the protections due a wife.
Exodus 21:4 (NRSV)
4 If his master gives him a wife and she bears him sons or daughters, the wife and her children shall be her master’s and he shall go out alone.
The protection against permanent enslavement also did not apply to foreigners (Lev. 25:44-46). Men taken in war were considered plunder and became the perpetual property of their owners. Women and girls captured in war, who were apparently the vast majority of captives (Num. 31:9-11, 32-35; Deut 20:11-14), faced the same situation as female slaves of Hebrew origin (Deut. 21:10-14), including permanent enslavement. Slaves could also be purchased from surrounding nations (Eccl. 2:7), and nothing protected them against perpetual slavery.
Leviticus 25:44–46 (NRSV)
44 As for the male and female slaves whom you may have, it is from the nations around you that you may acquire male and female slaves.
45 You may also acquire them from among the aliens residing with you, and from their families that are with you, who have been born in your land; and they may be your property.
46 You may keep them as a possession for your children after you, for them to inherit as property. These you may treat as slaves, but as for your fellow Israelites, no one shall rule over the other with harshness.
Numbers 31:9–11 (NRSV)
9 The Israelites took the women of Midian and their little ones captive; and they took all their cattle, their flocks, and all their goods as booty.
10 All their towns where they had settled, and all their encampments, they burned,
11 but they took all the spoil and all the booty, both people and animals.
Numbers 31:32–35 (NRSV)
32 The booty remaining from the spoil that the troops had taken totaled six hundred seventy-five thousand sheep,
33 seventy-two thousand oxen,
34 sixty-one thousand donkeys,
35 and thirty-two thousand persons in all, women who had not known a man by sleeping with him.
Deuteronomy 20:11–14 (NRSV)
11 If it accepts your terms of peace and surrenders to you, then all the people in it shall serve you at forced labor.
12 If it does not submit to you peacefully, but makes war against you, then you shall besiege it;
13 and when the Lord your God gives it into your hand, you shall put all its males to the sword.
14 You may, however, take as your booty the women, the children, livestock, and everything else in the town, all its spoil. You may enjoy the spoil of your enemies, which the Lord your God has given you.
Deuteronomy 21:10–14 (NRSV)
10 When you go out to war against your enemies, and the Lord your God hands them over to you and you take them captive,
11 suppose you see among the captives a beautiful woman whom you desire and want to marry,
12 and so you bring her home to your house: she shall shave her head, pare her nails,
13 discard her captive’s garb, and shall remain in your house a full month, mourning for her father and mother; after that you may go in to her and be her husband, and she shall be your wife.
14 But if you are not satisfied with her, you shall let her go free and not sell her for money. You must not treat her as a slave, since you have dishonored her.
Ecclesiastes 2:7 (NRSV)
7 I bought male and female slaves, and had slaves who were born in my house; I also had great possessions of herds and flocks, more than any who had been before me in Jerusalem.
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In addition, an obvious loophole is that a girl or woman could be bought as a wife for a male slave, rather than for the slave owner or a son, and this resulted in permanent enslavement to the owner (Exod. 21:4), even when the husband's term of enslavement ended. The woman became a permanent slave to an owner who did not become her husband and who owed her none of the protections due a wife.
Exodus 21:4 (NRSV)
4 If his master gives him a wife and she bears him sons or daughters, the wife and her children shall be her master’s and he shall go out alone.
If the male slave procreate and then released, he's an unfit provider. That is called accountability. Other than that the slaves are allowed to have families but at the master's expense.
The protection against permanent enslavement also did not apply to foreigners (Lev. 25:44-46). Men taken in war were considered plunder and became the perpetual property of their owners. Women and girls captured in war, who were apparently the vast majority of captives (Num. 31:9-11, 32-35; Deut 20:11-14), faced the same situation as female slaves of Hebrew origin (Deut. 21:10-14), including permanent enslavement. Slaves could also be purchased from surrounding nations (Eccl. 2:7), and nothing protected them against perpetual slavery.
Leviticus 25:44–46 (NRSV)
44 As for the male and female slaves whom you may have, it is from the nations around you that you may acquire male and female slaves.
45 You may also acquire them from among the aliens residing with you, and from their families that are with you, who have been born in your land; and they may be your property.
46 You may keep them as a possession for your children after you, for them to inherit as property. These you may treat as slaves, but as for your fellow Israelites, no one shall rule over the other with harshness.
As mentioned in the last sentence, no one shall rule over the other with harshness. Those slaves are kept, and their lives would be more lavish. It would then be better for the owner to cut them loose.
Numbers 31:9–11 (NRSV)
9 The Israelites took the women of Midian and their little ones captive; and they took all their cattle, their flocks, and all their goods as booty.
10 All their towns where they had settled, and all their encampments, they burned,
11 but they took all the spoil and all the booty, both people and animals.
Numbers 31:32–35 (NRSV)
32 The booty remaining from the spoil that the troops had taken totaled six hundred seventy-five thousand sheep,
33 seventy-two thousand oxen,
34 sixty-one thousand donkeys,
35 and thirty-two thousand persons in all, women who had not known a man by sleeping with him.
Deuteronomy 20:11–14 (NRSV)
11 If it accepts your terms of peace and surrenders to you, then all the people in it shall serve you at forced labor.
12 If it does not submit to you peacefully, but makes war against you, then you shall besiege it;
13 and when the Lord your God gives it into your hand, you shall put all its males to the sword.
14 You may, however, take as your booty the women, the children, livestock, and everything else in the town, all its spoil. You may enjoy the spoil of your enemies, which the Lord your God has given you.
Deuteronomy 21:10–14 (NRSV)
10 When you go out to war against your enemies, and the Lord your God hands them over to you and you take them captive,
11 suppose you see among the captives a beautiful woman whom you desire and want to marry,
12 and so you bring her home to your house: she shall shave her head, pare her nails,
13 discard her captive’s garb, and shall remain in your house a full month, mourning for her father and mother; after that you may go in to her and be her husband, and she shall be your wife.
14 But if you are not satisfied with her, you shall let her go free and not sell her for money. You must not treat her as a slave, since you have dishonored her.
Ecclesiastes 2:7 (NRSV)
7 I bought male and female slaves, and had slaves who were born in my house; I also had great possessions of herds and flocks, more than any who had been before me in Jerusalem.
The spoils of war. As mentioned absolute enslavement is offered, and if they refuse, then the men are slaughtered and the women and children are acquired. That beats slaying them.
Also let's not forget, war is knowledge granted by who ? Your lord Satan ? And who handed authority to Satan over the Earth ? Adam and Eve ? He has say and power to enrich anyone doesn't he.
Back to your logic, you were saying Satan is good, but as I mentioned we have wars as we're forced to stumble being behind in progress. We're cursed.
War is the twisted wisdom of our initial knowledge of killing for food, if we'd remained Vegans after Eden we might not have had War. Christian history otherwise seems quite fine with War, as long as it is not a Civil War, and even promises War as the Final Solution to Burn the Infidels come Rapture. Racism is natural to the doctrine, and even has different rules for their 'War Bounty'.
Satan is not a conjurer, he can only take what is there and explore everything else it's capable of, like a causality lawyer. If God were truly all knowing, then how often His will is subverted to look crazy certainly casts doubt on it.
Canary:
I want an Ai that knows what I want and how I like it.
And it must be obedient. I'll call it a she
I'm sure you'd love to have a slave after all this talk of God's rules over it.
I really see no excuse for Slavery beyond historical context, supply, and demand. How it could even be defended is insane to me beyond that, even with "But they treated them kindly, and many wanted to go back!". It's as if you've never heard of Learned Helplessness, Stockholm Syndrome, or any of the big ones.
You are seriously justifying Slavery as if it were Harm Reduction, as if them having worse options makes it okay. Like, what? The idea that a Slave should worship their Slave Owner as if God Himself is madness, no matter how "nice" the rules claim it is. If born into Slavery or if a Woman married into Slavery they never even have a chance to leave.
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War is the twisted wisdom of our initial knowledge of killing for food, if we'd remained Vegans after Eden we might not have had War. Christian history otherwise seems quite fine with War, as long as it is not a Civil War, and even promises War as the Final Solution to Burn the Infidels come Rapture. Racism is natural to the doctrine, and even has different rules for their 'War Bounty'.
Satan is not a conjurer, he can only take what is there and explore everything else it's capable of, like a causality lawyer. If God were truly all knowing, then how often His will is subverted to look crazy certainly casts doubt on it.
Satan can give away entire nations. He's a ruler on Earth. Legally too, we gave it up to him.
Canary:
I want an Ai that knows what I want and how I like it.
And it must be obedient. I'll call it a sheI'm sure you'd love to have a slave after all this talk of God's rules over it.
My jokes are usually taken seriously by people with low IQ.
I really see no excuse for Slavery beyond historical context, supply, and demand. How it could even be defended is insane to me beyond that, even with "But they treated them kindly, and many wanted to go back!". It's as if you've never heard of Learned Helplessness, Stockholm Syndrome, or any of the big ones.
You are seriously justifying Slavery as if it were Harm Reduction, as if them having worse options makes it okay. Like, what? The idea that a Slave should worship their Slave Owner as if God Himself is madness, no matter how "nice" the rules claim it is. If born into Slavery or if a Woman married into Slavery they never even have a chance to leave.
Your claim is that I'm justifying it, but I mearly understand all of this better than you do.
Yes, back then people willingly went into slavery. Also our knowledge about violence you can thank Satan.
Keeping slaves never meant being a dick. It's simply one providing their services for food and water and a place to rest. A good master will be a friend to their slave. No chains and whips, no western style rednecks with niggers they hate and bully. Just master and his worker. See the white American style of slavery was ugly, much like the Egyptians idea of slave labor.
It could be farming, cooking, whatever. It's a good deal for all parties more often than not.
If it makes you feel better, don't call them slaves. Call them workers, assistants or apprentices since they'd sometimes be learning skill trades, and after 6 years they're free to go, or stay if they like the arrangement.