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How do you define consent though?

Intellect greater than upper 90% of the human population?

To be honest, I think a lot more people can't really grasp any situation well enough to "consent" to anything, irrespective of age.

Would you say that if we met an alien race vastly more intelligent than us, we should remove consent and choice from humans? That is, given that our understanding would be vastly inferior and thus, by their standard, we would be unable to consent.

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On another note, a similar idea has been ventured more than once over Kangaroos and Boxing, moreso as an 1800's thing: 



There are more recent examples too. 

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Would you say that if we met an alien race vastly more intelligent than us, we should remove consent and choice from humans? That is, given that our understanding would be vastly inferior and thus, by their standard, we would be unable to consent.

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Yeah I've heard of kangaroos fucking up some people in a boxing ring. Now that's entertainment.

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How do you define consent though?

The capacity for linguistic understanding is a good starting point, following that the means to meta-perspective take over their own timeline. 

Lets say I was traveling somewhere where English is not the native tongue, like Italy. If I can't speak Italian and a bunch of Italians are asking me if I want to fight their local champion in their native tongue, I can't really consent to it over not knowing what I'm agreeing to. If nothing around me is giving me hints as to what's going on, then I have no idea what I am agreeing or disagreeing with. 

Consent requires a sense of awareness over what you're signing up for, and I don't think animals are at the level of signing contracts over themselves any more than children. 

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Would you say that if we met an alien race vastly more intelligent than us, we should remove consent and choice from humans? That is, given that our understanding would be vastly inferior and thus, by their standard, we would be unable to consent.

If they were vastly more intelligent than us with developments that reflect that, we'd already be second class citizens to them. 

Regardless of what I think, unless we're dealing with a District 9 situation then we're likely not the ones calling the shots. 

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Would you say that if we met an alien race vastly more intelligent than us, we should remove consent and choice from humans? That is, given that our understanding would be vastly inferior and thus, by their standard, we would be unable to consent.

If they were vastly more intelligent than us with developments that reflect that, we'd already be second class citizens to them. 

Regardless of what I think, unless we're dealing with a District 9 situation then we're likely not the ones calling the shots. 

I think we would. They would have to have adopted an agreement not to discriminate based on intellect, as it is beneficial for every race and alien to have made that agreement.

If that agreement was not made, it would be beneficial for only one alien race, the most intelligent one. And unless you know, for sure, that you are the most intelligent one, it's in your best interest not to discriminate based on intellect.

You are basically a speciesist.

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How do you define consent though?

The capacity for linguistic understanding is a good starting point, following that the means to meta-perspective take over their own timeline. 

Lets say I was traveling somewhere where English is not the native tongue, like Italy. If I can't speak Italian and a bunch of Italians are asking me if I want to fight their local champion in their native tongue, I can't really consent to it over not knowing what I'm agreeing to. If nothing around me is giving me hints as to what's going on, then I have no idea what I am agreeing or disagreeing with. 

Consent requires a sense of awareness over what you're signing up for, and I don't think animals are at the level of signing contracts over themselves any more than children. 

You don't think they would be able to express "no I don't want to fight"?

Like, if you give them a coconut, they won't be able to understand what it means to consent to eating the coconut, so you can't give it to them? They'll take it from your hand.

 I don't think you need to ask them to read a contract and sign it with their name. You just need to go "Gogo fight?" "Fight?"

And Gogo flexes his muscles and starts fucking people up.

How is that not consent?

last edit on 1/13/2023 3:25:39 PM
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Would you say that if we met an alien race vastly more intelligent than us, we should remove consent and choice from humans? That is, given that our understanding would be vastly inferior and thus, by their standard, we would be unable to consent.

If they were vastly more intelligent than us with developments that reflect that, we'd already be second class citizens to them. 

Regardless of what I think, unless we're dealing with a District 9 situation then we're likely not the ones calling the shots. 

I think we would. They would have to have adopted an agreement not to discriminate based on intellect, as it is beneficial for every race and alien to have made that agreement.

We've seen how well that worked out in Mass Effect, and Star Trek. 🤣

If that agreement was not made, it would be beneficial for only one alien race, the most intelligent one. And unless you know, for sure, that you are the most intelligent one, it's in your best interest not to discriminate based on intellect.

Why? We do it with our own already, why not outside of us? 

What makes intelligence inherently altruistic? We might only think it's smart over being inherently tribal, they may not relate to such a thing if they are, for example, like The Buggers from Ender's Game. 

You are basically a speciesist.

No matter how much I might be cool with aliens, I wouldn't be able to argue too much against the history being made. 

If they for instance were all born with the capacity to manipulate metal like Magneto, what could we even do? If by contrast they came here and proved to be easily overpowered by other humans, even with us sympathizing for the aliens what could we really do about it? 

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Did it not work out in star trek? I think it did.

If aliens came to Earth should they be allowed to enter MMA, given that they can consent?

last edit on 1/13/2023 3:31:59 PM
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