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I do see how it can be damaging for women's sports, and from that perspective, I sympathize. I understand you don't think men are superior as a whole, but only in terms of many sports.

However, I think the problem is more that the community around sports activities has been built the way it is, rather than something else. If trans women had always been allowed in women's sports and it was already the "status quo" then I think it would not be a problem.

It's similar to how someone might make the argument that black and white people should have their own categories, as black/white people have different genomes and, let's be fair, many sports are dominated by black people. It's of course a rather racist argument to make, but there are established, biological differences between white, black, and asian men, such as bone and muscle density. That is, the average bone density is shifted towards higher values for black men vs white men, just as it is shifted towards higher values for men vs women and chimpanzees vs humans.

Thus, by allowing black people to compete in "white sports" we destroyed the community around white sports. Yet, now that it is the status quo, nobody questions it, despite the same biological arguments that you're making being applicable here. In fact, the exact same arguments that you're using have been used by those boycotting black people entering white sports in the past.

At any rate, I'm merely playing the devil's advocate here, I think any argument about separating sports for black and white people is discriminatory.

However, I want to be logically consistent. Otherwise, I am forced to admit that I am a hypocrite. And I don't want to be one. I understand that there must be a flaw somewhere in my logic, as I am ultimately forced to admit that chimpanzees should be admitted to MMA, but I do not see it. Thus, until I find the flaw, I will believe that chimpanzees should be allowed to participate in human sports.

AppleGenius said: 

It's similar to how someone might make the argument that black and white people should have their own categories, as black/white people have different genomes and, let's be fair, many sports are dominated by black people.

They did used to racially segregate sports, and I'd argue that combining them together was beneficial for the sport overall. 

> Like much of society, professional American sports were segregated in the first part of the 20th Century, preventing black athletes from competing with white athletes.

> In baseball, there were established ‘Negro’ leagues for non-white players (while these leagues were predominantly African-American, there were also several Latin-Americans playing in the leagues, as well) through the early 1950s.

> The National Basketball League officially integrated in 1950. While professional football started with integration from 1900s-1930s (still, the percentage of African-American players was negligible),

> the National Football League was completely segregated from 1934-1945.

- Sports Conflict Institute; Racial Segregation in American Sports

However, I want to be logically consistent. Otherwise, I am forced to admit that I am a hypocrite. And I don't want to be one. I understand that there must be a flaw somewhere in my logic, as I am ultimately forced to admit that chimpanzees should be admitted to MMA, but I do not see it. Thus, until I find the flaw, I will believe that chimpanzees should be allowed to participate in human sports.

How would you compare a chimp's range for consent versus that of a child? Sure a child for example could want to fight in an MMA ring, but is that child in any position to be signing themselves up for that? 

If we could transplant a human brain, or awaken the chimp to human intelligence, or we find a race of already sentient apes like that of Gorilla Grodd in DC Comics, then I could go with it. 

Well, I sort of already answered that question about chimpanzee consent:

Legga said:

I actually don't think it would be such a bad idea to ask chimpanzees to consent and fight in MMA. I don't see the problem. Firstly, if you elevate them on the level of humans, then it's speciesism to deny them rights to MMA. If you don't elevate them on the level of humans, then it's also not a problem because, frankly, they're animals. We anyway eat animals and treat them like shit. It's not then a question of whether or not they can consent, which they can.

The reason we have things in place for children is because they're not mature enough. They will be able to make better decisions later in life. However, if there is, somewhere, an incredibly smart person with an IQ of 180, they might look at your decisions and go, "yeah he's not smart enough to make informed decisions". So really only incredibly smart people can consent.

It's not just a question of pure intellect, you know, we've just set the bar where the average dumbass is. We can move it.

Turncoat said: 

AppleGenius said: 

It's similar to how someone might make the argument that black and white people should have their own categories, as black/white people have different genomes and, let's be fair, many sports are dominated by black people.

They did used to racially segregate sports, and I'd argue that combining them together was beneficial for the sport overall. 

> Like much of society, professional American sports were segregated in the first part of the 20th Century, preventing black athletes from competing with white athletes.

> In baseball, there were established ‘Negro’ leagues for non-white players (while these leagues were predominantly African-American, there were also several Latin-Americans playing in the leagues, as well) through the early 1950s.

> The National Basketball League officially integrated in 1950. While professional football started with integration from 1900s-1930s (still, the percentage of African-American players was negligible),

> the National Football League was completely segregated from 1934-1945.

- Sports Conflict Institute; Racial Segregation in American Sports

 

However, I want to be logically consistent. Otherwise, I am forced to admit that I am a hypocrite. And I don't want to be one. I understand that there must be a flaw somewhere in my logic, as I am ultimately forced to admit that chimpanzees should be admitted to MMA, but I do not see it. Thus, until I find the flaw, I will believe that chimpanzees should be allowed to participate in human sports.

How would you compare a chimp's range for consent versus that of a child? Sure a child for example could want to fight in an MMA ring, but is that child in any position to be signing themselves up for that? 

If we could transplant a human brain, or awaken the chimp to human intelligence, or we find a race of already sentient apes like that of Gorilla Grodd in DC Comics, then I could go with it. 

 You have some srs preconceptions about the capacity of intelligent animals.

We don't need any Marvel or DC s uperjuice to give them capacity to consent.

Koko the gorilla was smarter than some humans I know ffs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYWSXRUGxDQ&t=3s

It's a moot point, tho.

It's horrifically cruel to put an animal in a pit to fight each other, other animals, or humans, consent or not.

I was just saying that the chimp would have the advantage, and as a comparison, allowing trannies to compete in women's sports is like allowing chimps to fight male athletes.

Xena said: 

Turncoat said: 

AppleGenius said: 

It's similar to how someone might make the argument that black and white people should have their own categories, as black/white people have different genomes and, let's be fair, many sports are dominated by black people.

They did used to racially segregate sports, and I'd argue that combining them together was beneficial for the sport overall. 

> Like much of society, professional American sports were segregated in the first part of the 20th Century, preventing black athletes from competing with white athletes.

> In baseball, there were established ‘Negro’ leagues for non-white players (while these leagues were predominantly African-American, there were also several Latin-Americans playing in the leagues, as well) through the early 1950s.

> The National Basketball League officially integrated in 1950. While professional football started with integration from 1900s-1930s (still, the percentage of African-American players was negligible),

> the National Football League was completely segregated from 1934-1945.

- Sports Conflict Institute; Racial Segregation in American Sports

However, I want to be logically consistent. Otherwise, I am forced to admit that I am a hypocrite. And I don't want to be one. I understand that there must be a flaw somewhere in my logic, as I am ultimately forced to admit that chimpanzees should be admitted to MMA, but I do not see it. Thus, until I find the flaw, I will believe that chimpanzees should be allowed to participate in human sports.

How would you compare a chimp's range for consent versus that of a child? Sure a child for example could want to fight in an MMA ring, but is that child in any position to be signing themselves up for that? 

If we could transplant a human brain, or awaken the chimp to human intelligence, or we find a race of already sentient apes like that of Gorilla Grodd in DC Comics, then I could go with it. 

 You have some srs preconceptions about the capacity of intelligent animals.

You seem to think animals can understand human constructs rather than momentary impulses and accumulated associations. 

It's no wonder you thought you could consent to sex with an adult as a child. 

We don't need any Marvel or DC s uperjuice to give them capacity to consent.

Koko the gorilla was smarter than some humans I know ffs

A lot of humans are bad at consent. 

Really, really bad at it. 

It's horrifically cruel to put an animal in a pit to fight each other, other animals, or humans, consent or not.

So... you find MMA between humans to be cruel? 

They chose that life. 

I was just saying that the chimp would have the advantage, and as a comparison, allowing trannies to compete in women's sports is like allowing chimps to fight male athletes.

People keep underestimating cunning, it is far superior to sheer brawn. 

You keep bringing that up lol

What is there about sex that a 14 yo can't understand?

Besides don't make a baby

And don't let the world slut shame you.

And don't tell future prospective partners bc stupid men don't grasp that 14 year olds know how to buy condoms, too.

The real danger in having sex too young is in who finds out about it, and what those assholes do when they know.

There is a whack of religious stupidity about evil, poison, disease and demonic possession that ppl like to yap about when a woman's sexual practices don't fall in line with stifling societal norms.

I mean, look at the garbage the ppl on this forum are making up.

Because they're mentally ill and bored.

I was also able to get into bars at 14.

People always told me I looked like I was 20 or 21.

Idgaf about drinking, so I didn't bother.

But I could very easily pass for early 20s.

Again, I don't have to explain myself to you idiots.

I've never touched or found myself attracted to anybody under the age of 17.

And I don't have sex anymore, anyway.

You're yapping at a fiction that at this point is more your creation than mine.

Yes. MMA between humans is a cruel sport.

I don't hear about a lot of millionaires getting into it bc it's a great art form, ifyaknowhatimean.

AppleGenius said: 

I do see how it can be damaging for women's sports, and from that perspective, I sympathize. I understand you don't think men are superior as a whole, but only in terms of many sports.

Men and women are different, but they complement one another. Except of course if the individual is rotten. 

When a woman hits a man, society won't flinch. If it's the other way around it's graphic content.

However, I think the problem is more that the community around sports activities has been built the way it is, rather than something else. If trans women had always been allowed in women's sports and it was already the "status quo" then I think it would not be a problem.

I think we're being sorted out. Say it were like that from the start, where some guy can claim to be a woman and compete against women and that was normal. Some people wouldn't believe in that. The majority would always bet on the woman with a man face and a bulge crotch. If not then those people aren't very smart. It's really not that complicated. It's something I've known since childhood, maybe because all of the great super heros were men. 

It's similar to how someone might make the argument that black and white people should have their own categories, as black/white people have different genomes and, let's be fair, many sports are dominated by black people. It's of course a rather racist argument to make, but there are established, biological differences between white, black, and asian men, such as bone and muscle density. That is, the average bone density is shifted towards higher values for black men vs white men, just as it is shifted towards higher values for men vs women and chimpanzees vs humans.

Yeah Black people in my opinion are more evolved. Being mulatto myself I seriously never had a sunburn in my life while my white friends have to duck and cover cause the Sun is legit trying to kill them.

There was this one time though, I took the Ninja on a small road trip to a neighboring town and I never wore my jacket. Just helmet gloves and boots jeans and T-Shirt. While I was on the freeway the Sun was beaming down on my arms and it got really hot. I couldn't do anything cause I had to hold onto the handlebars operating the machine on the freeway. I took my gloves off and I had pale hands while the rest of my arms turned golden brown. No burns though.

If black people dominate in certain sports, I don't think of that as racist. It's just knowledge.

Thus, by allowing black people to compete in "white sports" we destroyed the community around white sports. Yet, now that it is the status quo, nobody questions it, despite the same biological arguments that you're making being applicable here. In fact, the exact same arguments that you're using have been used by those boycotting black people entering white sports in the past.

Even if we segregated the races, the differences in output between men and women on an athletic level will remain the same.

At any rate, I'm merely playing the devil's advocate here, I think any argument about separating sports for black and white people is discriminatory.

I think complaints reaching for race quotas are discriminatory. The NHL is now doing this since the enter league has only a handful of black people while 99.9% ( something like that ) are white.

Those rich billionaires who are looking for the best players don't give a shit about race. They just want the best of the best of the rookies. Professional sports are a serious business and winning games is what brings in the money, and it's about the money believe me.

However, I want to be logically consistent. Otherwise, I am forced to admit that I am a hypocrite. And I don't want to be one. I understand that there must be a flaw somewhere in my logic, as I am ultimately forced to admit that chimpanzees should be admitted to MMA, but I do not see it. Thus, until I find the flaw, I will believe that chimpanzees should be allowed to participate in human sports.

 That's some ancient Roman barbaric gladiator shit Legga. 

Do you think you'll cheer and applaud seeing a man get ravaged by a fully developed Chimp or vice versa ?

Employing animals into combat sports are death matches. The Chimp won't use Kung Fu or whatever art, they'll tank any hits and proceed to deal damage too wicked for the human eye to see. 

Xena said: 

You keep bringing that up lol

What is there about sex that a 14 yo can't understand?

Besides don't make a baby

And don't let the world slut shame you.

And don't tell future prospective partners bc stupid men don't grasp that 14 year olds know how to buy condoms, too.

The real danger in having sex too young is in who finds out about it, and what those assholes do when they know.

There is a whack of religious stupidity about evil, poison, disease and demonic possession that ppl like to yap about when a woman's sexual practices don't fall in line with stifling societal norms.

 

I mean, look at the garbage the ppl on this forum are making up.

Because they're mentally ill and bored.

 

I was also able to get into bars at 14.

People always told me I looked like I was 20 or 21.

Idgaf about drinking, so I didn't bother.

But I could very easily pass for early 20s.

 

Again, I don't have to explain myself to you idiots.

I've never touched or found myself attracted to anybody under the age of 17.

And I don't have sex anymore, anyway.

 

You're yapping at a fiction that at this point is more your creation than mine.

Jesus fuckin Christ

"The real danger in having sex too young is in who finds out about it, and what those assholes do when they know."

like call cps so u have to go on the run for 11 years?