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Xena said: 

Turncoat said: 

Xena said: 

Turncoat said: 

It could lend to sensationalizing criminals into gladiatorial celebrities, ultimately turning punishment into funishment while risking them gaining sponsorships if not securing other means of funding. They could end up potentially securing their way out of prison, gain a fanbase on the outside with media to further sensationalize them on par with WWE stars, and gladiatorial challenges like that would harden them into more bloodthirsty yet efficient criminals. Past a point it could even become desirable to some people to do something bad enough to be able to join the fights, treating it like something between MMA and Hobo Fights. 

 No. I mean serious offenders. Repeat offenders. Rapists, murderers, people who rape and torture toddlers.

Why would you want to platform them and sensationalize them? You'd be giving the room for fandom and potentially copycat behavior. 

It will be understood that they're going to that arena to die.

The meaning of death would change. 

There will be one winner each year.

The person will get $2million, a modest house with 3 or 4 bedrooms (depending on the person's family size.)

See, you're incentivizing it. 

Someone who's ex-marine or some shit might end up diddling a kid for the chance to win a $2mil home. 

The person will also get their freedom, a full pardon, and a chance to start over with 2-6 years of whatever education he requests to make the transition more workable.

Celebrity status as well, they'd straight up be a celebrity, with enough infamy to have no one want to fuck with them, not even the cops. 

You'd pretty much be making super-criminals, we'd need Batmen. 

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Wth?

One. Person.

Out of every single criminal put on trial and found guilty all year.

Literally through a process that would filter out it's strongest one. 

Imagine if once pardoned that they started a gang, now funded by millions of dollars, backed by the infamy of having proven themselves a superior criminal towards both the cops and the fandom. 

Some fans could end up joining the gang with ideas of glory, or even multiple champions could start an Injustice League. It lends to Escalation: 

I propose this instead: Every prison has a local champion, and offenders are forced to fight the champ. If they win, they become the new champ who is forced to fight other aspirants until the day they finally lose, given a slight edge in Prison supplies but nothing amazing, like maybe two extra meals and softer pillows. 

You wrote: "I propose this instead: Every prison has a local champion, and offenders are forced to fight the champ. If they win, they become the new champ who is forced to fight other aspirants until the day they finally lose, given a slight edge in Prison supplies but nothing amazing, like maybe two extra meals and softer pillows."

What? No. Absolutely not.

I didn't say "every offender."

I said "the most violent."

Which includes but is not limited to: rapists, murderers, child molestors, people who commit extreme aggravated assaults and/or attempt to murder people. Candidates for The Arena could also include special categories of war criminals and terrorists, imported during times of war when there are just too many vile people committing too many heinous acts for the fights to take place in one country's 2 to 5 arenas in 2 days.

Basically, the prime candidates for The Games would be people who historically would have been hanged before the middle of the Bleeding Heart 20thc. And people who will still be executed by needle under current US law. 

We get to move them out of the prisons faster, thereby saving money we would otherwise use to feed their sorry asses.

And we make money on their deaths, rather than spending money on them.

That money can go to so many other things.

We only have to be nice to one violent scumbag every year, instead of thousands.

Jeez I wouldn't bother forcing every petty weed dealer and pickpocket to fight.

That's just senseless cruelty.

Xena said: 

Turncoat said:

I propose this instead: Every prison has a local champion, and offenders are forced to fight the champ. If they win, they become the new champ who is forced to fight other aspirants until the day they finally lose, given a slight edge in Prison supplies but nothing amazing, like maybe two extra meals and softer pillows.

What? No. Absolutely not.

I didn't say "every offender."

I said "the most violent."

Same deal for mine, but instead of making it into this whole festive event that'd have them on par with the WWE and $2mil cash prizes as an incentive, an incentive that'd serve to create super-criminals, mine's just a way to handle the prison population blooms while rewarding the same prisoner for however long s/he can hold the mantle of Champion. They wouldn't even earn freedom, just more fights. 

There could still be footage of those fights, but it'd not have the same glamor and would only cost a few extra meals and pillows. This way, rather than creating a new super-criminal every year, it's more like every prison has a local legend that no one wants to fuck with keeping them out of trouble. 

Basically, the prime candidates for The Games would be people who historically would have been hanged before the middle of the Bleeding Heart 20thc. And people who will still be executed by needle under current US law. 

You seriously want to give one of those sorts of people two million dollars, every year? 

Turncoat said: 

It could lend to sensationalizing criminals into gladiatorial celebrities, ultimately turning punishment into funishment while risking them gaining sponsorships if not securing other means of funding.

They could end up potentially securing their way out of prison, gain a fanbase on the outside with media to further sensationalize them on par with WWE stars, and gladiatorial challenges like that would harden them into more bloodthirsty yet efficient criminals. Past a point it could even become desirable to some people to do something bad enough to be able to join the fights, treating it like something between MMA and Hobo Fights. 

Having bloodthirsty people duke it out also defeats the purpose of prison effectively torturing them with nothing to do, they end up so understimulated that getting out becomes that much more desirable. This by contrast would give them something to do and ultimately put them through a process that'd serve to make them worse, rather than rehabilitate them or at the very least pacify them. 

Well, implement rules that prevent all of that. Sponsorships will be illegal. Attempting to monetize criminals will lead to legal penalties for the entity doing so. (Along the lines of seeking food/ items to inmates in prison, but scaled up)

Avoiding a celebrity status and fan base would be much harder admittedly. killing the winner seems like the only way to avoid it, but if the inmates die either way that removes their incentive to battle.

*edit: have them wear masks. Completely anonymous. No reputation. No "glory"

PalePeach said: 

Turncoat said: 

It could lend to sensationalizing criminals into gladiatorial celebrities, ultimately turning punishment into funishment while risking them gaining sponsorships if not securing other means of funding.

They could end up potentially securing their way out of prison, gain a fanbase on the outside with media to further sensationalize them on par with WWE stars, and gladiatorial challenges like that would harden them into more bloodthirsty yet efficient criminals. Past a point it could even become desirable to some people to do something bad enough to be able to join the fights, treating it like something between MMA and Hobo Fights. 

Having bloodthirsty people duke it out also defeats the purpose of prison effectively torturing them with nothing to do, they end up so understimulated that getting out becomes that much more desirable. This by contrast would give them something to do and ultimately put them through a process that'd serve to make them worse, rather than rehabilitate them or at the very least pacify them. 

Well, implement rules that prevent all of that.

How do you prevent that with rules? These are prisoners you're dealing with, alongside a population of potential fans. 

Sponsorships will be illegal. Attempting to monetize criminals will lead to legal penalties for the entity doing so. (Along the lines of seeking food/ items to inmates in prison, but scaled up)

That'd just make the goal to not get caught, or it'd be funded by some kind of e-coin. 

Avoiding a celebrity status and fan base would be much harder admittedly. killing the winner seems like the only way to avoid it, but if the inmates die either way that removes their incentive to battle.

...if they're murderous enough they might just do it for the sake of it. 

You could pump them full of PCP to make it not about their freedom at all. 

*edit: have them wear masks. Completely anonymous. No reputation. No "glory"

People would find a way, even if it's over a specific tattoo or something. 

You wrote: "You seriously want to give one of those sorts of people two million dollars, every year? "

Yeah. Because those people tend to be too crazy to integrate into society, anyway.

Like that Okee who triedta fold his 9 month old daughter like a shirt ffs.

Hyperextended her back until it snapped and punctured her aorta.

They argued and fussed about his mental illness for what was it? 4 years?

Then they just put him down like the useless dog he is.

There's no redeeming some people.

So I'm saying that if one out of a few thousand screws up and re offends, it's better than being too lenient and giving a few thousand an opportunity to re offend.

It's also better than spending all that money to feed and clothe them.

And on the admittedly better than 50/50 chance that a winner will screw up, we have an excuse to take his shit away.

It's as close to a win-win as we'll ever get for dealing with loonies and violent freaks, without totally taking their rights away. 

And stuff like open displays of physical prowess tend to appeal to that type, anyway  ;D

Turncoat said: 

There's also the unfortunate comedy that could follow a false imprisonment, we've had people who were not guilty serve decades long sentences before.

This is no different than death penalty for wrongly accused. Its a problem that needs to be fixed on the judiciary side, rather than adapting punishments to accommodate for failures of the system.

I could even imagine some people purposely getting themselves thrown in prison to enact vigilante justice against someone in there if they had a personal stake in it. 

Prisonors don't get to pick who they fight.

We'd also need guards that could keep these criminals under control, where do you suppose we'd find such people when these criminals are glorified warriors? 

They wouldn't be fighting constantly. Each inmate is sent to battle maybe once every 5 years. With the huge prison population there would still be a constant stream of battles. Many prisons already have gyms for prisoners to do weightlifting. How do guards keep those criminals under control now?

Xena said: 

 

And hell yes. I would enjoy booking them and watching them fight.

I would book between one and 5 arenas, once or twice each year, depending on the size of the country and the size of their crime problem.

But some assholes are too cruel to leave them to their own countries.

We could also turn some special venues into a way to help wartorn countries to rebuild by importing criminals from The Hague for special shows.

Sending them to other countries? Interesting, how did you come up with that angle?

 

In addition to charging a usual ticket price (around $50, like a normal baseball, football or basketball game) we could sell hot dogs and beer, take bets, etc.

Sports game tickets are like $150- $3000 in the US depending how close you sit. For a fight to the death we should probably learn on the more expensive side. Potential lawsuits to cover, etc.

We could even sell t shirts depending on the popularity of the criminal fighting.

> Helter Skelter under Charlie Manson's girls pics or whatever

We could have an optional category for people who are moved to commit softer crimes for money and/or are motivated by drug addiction, who may be feeling suicidal, who want a way to make enough cash to go to their families, while dying with dignity, holding the axe or sword that takes out a hated repeat child rapist.

We could make t shirts or action figures to honour competitors like this.

More Running Man than Hunger Games, but without the dirty exploitative stuff.

The winner for the year (last man standing) really would get $2million, a new house, and a chance to rebuild their lives.

Winner for the year does sound a bit more entertaining than a series of one on one actually, but I disagree with glorifying these monsters with merch 🤮

The more I sit on this idea, the more I think that pumping them full of PCP for the fights would work as both incentive for the fight itself and to stay on board for more drugs. 

Wouldn't need to promise them freedom at all. 

Ngl, I do like TC's idea of pumping them full of pcp.

Keeping the fights smaller and focused on each individual prison is also a good idea for preventing super celebs.

Peach wrote "$150 to $3000"

Didn't I say $150?

Oopsie. My bad. That was a typo. 

Must stop eating pancakes while I type. Some of my keys are sticky  :&

But yeah we could charge $3000  :)