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the polarity of "good / bad" can be very emotionally dysregulating for people and throw them out of balance,  I mean unless you just think of "bad" as not existing at all,  that could be the healthier polar opposite

this is what it really is for me,  the only thing that I see as "bad" is not existing at all,  but in my opinion even physical death cannot prevent your spirit from living on and continuing existence after your human death

compassionatequeen said: 

for Turncoat-  maybe try meditating on the difference between "striving to be a good person"  and "already being a good person exactly the way that you are"-  hint;  one is egoic,  and the other is unconditionally loving

I see the effort as what matters, as it is often those who feel they wish they could do more who do the most good in the world. If someone tried to do good and failed, they still tried compared to the person who feels no need to try and I can respect the effort, the intention. 

Believing we're good enough as we are is good, at first, but past a point it promotes stagnation and, in time, regression into former behaviors over not feeling as much of a need to self-correct. It's when we think we are already good enough that we invite the room to use that as an excuse to do bad things, like when you tried to compare yourself to Hitler to essentially say that anything you do is better than a murderous dictator, and that therefor you are free to do anything. 

I think it's good and healthy to have goals, a direction to point yourself towards in the name of improvement, but I'd see that as raising my skill in something rather than a dichotomy of perfect/imperfect. 

if you would like to stay trapped in ego that is your own decision, but you do not have the power to drag or force anyone else into doing that as well  and people like me would rather try to transcend being in ego as much as possible without like completely giving up close social relationships

I see more ego in telling yourself that you're something you aren't, and I see more ego in insisting on making excuses over any wrongdoing rather than accepting that something negative is there. 

As an example, when someone like Spatial or Faethers tells you they are already a good person, do you see them as having no ego? 

being in ego is very much about good / bad in my opinion,  but what if everything was good? 

If everything is good then nothing is, good can only exist in relativity. 

To quote your copy paste again: 

We carry light and dark within us and the one cannot exist without the other.

and I know that you are not going to understand and say things like drinking bleach is not good and stuff like that

Only when talking to Delora. 

but I mean,  what if you just saw it as a fatal decision instead of "bad bad bad bad"  like a fucking caveman ?  you know lol,  like I just want us to evolve out of being in so much fear and hatred as a species

That's the thing, I am not stuck in the bad, I look at the bad to analyze it, come to terms with it, accept it, and then develop a strategy to work on it in the name of improvement. 

I am after peace and contentment, which is in between all of the feelings. I am not stuck on a good/bad dichotemy so much as I am prone to pointing out people's shadows and watching how they respond to it. 

what you think dictates the quality of your life and your happiness

Peace, it's the foundation that must be strived for before I can build happiness on top of it. 

Without peace there is only chaos, remember I am disordered too. A lot of my hypercorrective behaviors serve as reality checking, a way to remain tethered to the real world rather than escape into fantasy, and people who I see escaping into said fantasies serve as an example to why I can't let that be what I become. 

Turncoat said: 

compassionatequeen said: 

for Turncoat-  maybe try meditating on the difference between "striving to be a good person"  and "already being a good person exactly the way that you are"-  hint;  one is egoic,  and the other is unconditionally loving

I see the effort as what matters, as it is often those who feel they wish they could do more who do the most good in the world. If someone tried to do good and failed, they still tried compared to the person who feels no need to try and I can respect the effort, the intention. 

Believing we're good enough as we are is good, at first, but past a point it promotes stagnation and, in time, regression into former behaviors over not feeling as much of a need to self-correct. It's when we think we are already good enough that we invite the room to use that as an excuse to do bad things, like when you tried to compare yourself to Hitler to essentially say that anything you do is better than a murderous dictator, and that therefor you are free to do anything. 

I think it's good and healthy to have goals, a direction to point yourself towards in the name of improvement, but I'd see that as raising my skill in something rather than a dichotomy of perfect/imperfect. 

if you would like to stay trapped in ego that is your own decision, but you do not have the power to drag or force anyone else into doing that as well  and people like me would rather try to transcend being in ego as much as possible without like completely giving up close social relationships

I see more ego in telling yourself that you're something you aren't, and I see more ego in insisting on making excuses over any wrongdoing rather than accepting that something negative is there. 

As an example, when someone like Spatial or Faethers tells you they are already a good person, do you see them as having no ego? 

being in ego is very much about good / bad in my opinion,  but what if everything was good? 

If everything is good then nothing is, good can only exist in relativity. 

To quote your copy paste again: 

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We carry light and dark within us and the one cannot exist without the other.

---

 

and I know that you are not going to understand and say things like drinking bleach is not good and stuff like that

Only when talking to Delora. 

but I mean,  what if you just saw it as a fatal decision instead of "bad bad bad bad"  like a fucking caveman ?  you know lol,  like I just want us to evolve out of being in so much fear and hatred as a species

That's the thing, I am not stuck in the bad, I look at the bad to analyze it, come to terms with it, accept it, and then develop a strategy to work on it in the name of improvement. 

I am after peace and contentment, which is in between all of the feelings. I am not stuck on a good/bad dichotemy so much as I am prone to pointing out people's shadows and watching how they respond to it. 

what you think dictates the quality of your life and your happiness

Peace, it's the foundation that must be strived for before I can build happiness on top of it. 

Without peace there is only chaos, remember I am disordered too. A lot of my hypercorrective behaviors serve as reality checking, a way to remain tethered to the real world rather than escape into fantasy, and people who I see escaping into said fantasies serve as an example to why I can't let that be what I become. 

K I see that some things need to be repeated for you 

number 1)  light and dark can exist without forcing it into the "good / bad" polarity

number 2)  I do not put people's behaviors or even entire people into something that could be categorized as "good / bad" or forced into some sort of "good / bad spectrum"-  I have transcended this belief system,  but it seems that you have not  there are many who have not,  so you are not alone,  but there are also some especially in the spiritual community who have so I am not alone either,  and I see your belief system as less evolved-  and more embedded in ego and fear and hatred  (without judging that as  "bad")

compassionatequeen said: 

seeing everything as perfect and good takes away the polarity of "good / bad"  but you were not seeming to understand this and it really annoyed me  but then again maybe I just did not go into enough detail about this

Except it doesn't, purely from the word itself. There cannot be good without bad, it's the most basic form of appraisal that we're capable of before we even have language. 

What do you plan to do if you take a bite of rotten food and it tastes disgusting, tell yourself it's good anyway and force yourself to eat it?

The appraisal itself isn't bad, it's just a tool, and like all tools it's up to us how we use them. I have personally found more success in gauging things through an arbitrary rating system so that it becomes easier to recognize the gray between the black and white. 

compassionatequeen said: 

the polarity of "good / bad" can be very emotionally dysregulating for people and throw them out of balance,  I mean unless you just think of "bad" as not existing at all,  that could be the healthier polar opposite

This is why I profess the peace of the middle ground, it's more realistic and less emotional. You are talking like a manic/depressive who wants to be manic 24/7, it's not healthy (especially once they begin taking speed...). 

compassionatequeen said: 

K I see that some things need to be repeated for you 

number 1)  light and dark can exist without forcing it into the "good / bad" polarity

Bad things aren't that bad, and good things aren't all that matter. 

Just don't handle good and bad as being dichotomous extremes, you don't see other people flipping out this much about hearing something is bad do you? If something were 70% good to you and 30% bad, then it is neither good nor bad inherently so much as it has good and bad qualities. 

number 2)  I do not put peoples' behaviors or even entire people into something that could be categorized as "good / bad"

You did that not even a week ago. 

I assume you mean you no longer do that? 

I already gave the example with the bleach-  No,  it is about learning from mistakes  you do not need to label something as "bad" to be able to learn from your mistakes

I do not want to label anything except for nonexistence as "bad"  and I believe that after physical death our spirit continues existing and you are going to have to deal with that Lmao,  you cannot force me to or change my mind because I have transcended that way of thinking

compassionatequeen said: 

I already gave the example with the bleach-  No,  it is about learning from mistakes  you do not need to label something as "bad" to be able to learn from your mistakes

I wouldn't label bleach as bad, I'd label drinking bleach as bad. 

There's even warning labels for it. 

I do not want to label anything except for nonexistence as "bad"  and I believe that after physical death our spirit continues existing and you are going to have to deal with that Lmao,  you cannot force me to or change my mind because I have transcended that way of thinking

So you'd eat rotten food and tell yourself it's good? 

Turncoat said: 

compassionatequeen said: 

I already gave the example with the bleach-  No,  it is about learning from mistakes  you do not need to label something as "bad" to be able to learn from your mistakes

I wouldn't label bleach as bad, I'd label drinking bleach as bad. 

There's even warning labels for it. 

I do not want to label anything except for nonexistence as "bad"  and I believe that after physical death our spirit continues existing and you are going to have to deal with that Lmao,  you cannot force me to or change my mind because I have transcended that way of thinking

So you'd eat rotten food and tell yourself it's good? 

no it's more like I just would not label it "good or bad",  I feel like I have transcended giving like "moralistic" labels to things  the point of shadow work is to accept everything about yourself  without trying to avoid it and in turn everything about life,  is it not ?  that does not mean purposefully behaving in harmful ways or seeking out harmful situations for yourself,  it just means accepting yourself and people and life as it is in its totality,  like everything about it

good
goo͝d
adjective
Being positive or desirable in nature; not bad or poor.

the definition of "good"  is avoidant in nature,  and I am trying to become less avoidant,  not more avoidant  do you understand ?

compassionatequeen said: 

Turncoat said: 

compassionatequeen said: 

I already gave the example with the bleach-  No,  it is about learning from mistakes  you do not need to label something as "bad" to be able to learn from your mistakes

I wouldn't label bleach as bad, I'd label drinking bleach as bad. 

There's even warning labels for it. 

I do not want to label anything except for nonexistence as "bad"  and I believe that after physical death our spirit continues existing and you are going to have to deal with that Lmao,  you cannot force me to or change my mind because I have transcended that way of thinking

So you'd eat rotten food and tell yourself it's good? 

no it's more like I just would not label it "good or bad"

See that's how it should be, but that doesn't mean you have to throw all appraisal out the window. If food is rotten or overcooked then it's rotten or overcooked, and recognizing those as undesirable things can help keep us safe and sane. 

I feel like I have transcended giving like "moralistic" labels to things

Good and Bad to me is more a synergy word, ask a cop if criminals are bad and they might say yes, ask a criminal if cops are bad and they might say yes. It's really more about how it affects the speaker than anything moralistic imo. 

When someone says something is "Good", I take it more as them saying it is "Good for them". 

the point of shadow work is to accept everything about yourself  without trying to avoid it and in turn everything about life,  is it not ? 

It's a process of accepting the bad so it may be recognized and potentially worked on, so that it won't keep catching you off guard. 

that does not mean purposefully behaving in harmful ways or seeking out harmful situations for yourself,  it just means accepting yourself and people and life as it is in its totality,  like everything about it

I never said people should harm themselves though, I don't know where this is coming from. 

Self-acceptance means taking the light and the dark as parts of yourself. 

good
goo͝d
adjective
Being positive or desirable in nature; not bad or poor.

the definition of "good"  is avoidant in nature,  and I am trying to become less avoidant,  not more avoidant  do you understand ?

How is that word avoidant in nature, because the second half of that particular definition chose to take it there (while the first half did not)? 

compassionatequeen said: 

Turncoat said: 

compassionatequeen said: 

I already gave the example with the bleach-  No,  it is about learning from mistakes  you do not need to label something as "bad" to be able to learn from your mistakes

I wouldn't label bleach as bad, I'd label drinking bleach as bad. 

There's even warning labels for it. 

I do not want to label anything except for nonexistence as "bad"  and I believe that after physical death our spirit continues existing and you are going to have to deal with that Lmao,  you cannot force me to or change my mind because I have transcended that way of thinking

So you'd eat rotten food and tell yourself it's good? 

 

no it's more like I just would not label it "good or bad",  I feel like I have transcended giving like "moralistic" labels to things  the point of shadow work is to accept everything about yourself  without trying to avoid it and in turn everything about life,  is it not ?  that does not mean purposefully behaving in harmful ways or seeking out harmful situations for yourself,  it just means accepting yourself and people and life as it is in its totality,  like everything about it

 

good
goo͝d
adjective
Being positive or desirable in nature; not bad or poor.

 

the definition of "good"  is avoidant in nature,  and I am trying to become less avoidant,  not more avoidant  do you understand ?

 

 

Turncoat clearly doesn't understand,  he seems to be quite stupid

More rebuking... 

I wish there was a way for you to see other people's worldviews.