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Doubtfulness is one thing, lack of principles is another.

I recall you saying you identify with Satan before, is what I'm getting at.

That kind of thinking is unwise, when in truth you're truely an agnostic person.

Golden_Eagle said: 

Doubtfulness is one thing, lack of principles is another.

I recall you saying you identify with Satan before, is what I'm getting at.

That kind of thinking is unwise, when in truth you're truely an agnostic person.

It seems crazier to advocate for God once you take the time to see what He's actually asking for. By comparison Satan is why we have any sense of freedom at all. 

One can be a good person and still be punished for it, while a psychopath can be rewarded for blind obedience within this religion. Why even support something like that compared to a more karmic system? 

Turncoat said: 

Golden_Eagle said: 

Doubtfulness is one thing, lack of principles is another.

I recall you saying you identify with Satan before, is what I'm getting at.

That kind of thinking is unwise, when in truth you're truely an agnostic person.

It seems crazier to advocate for God once you take the time to see what He's actually asking for. By comparison Satan is why we have any sense of freedom at all. 

 Satan wants us perverted, destroyed and our souls shackled. The ways of what we consider sin is unsustainable, just as we're living now.

Before the deception we were better off. Even you at one point boasted how animals have it better than we do, we're burdened with certain knowledge. That being certain emotions. The kind that has the potential drive a person to do terrible things, like what Cain did to Able. Jealousy.

The upcoming life will be eternal. We'll be sorted out. Some of us won't be dealing with some of us for eternity. That would be unbearable. The rotton will be with the rotten. Good idea.

Golden_Eagle said: 

Turncoat said: 

Golden_Eagle said: 

Doubtfulness is one thing, lack of principles is another.

I recall you saying you identify with Satan before, is what I'm getting at.

That kind of thinking is unwise, when in truth you're truely an agnostic person.

It seems crazier to advocate for God once you take the time to see what He's actually asking for. By comparison Satan is why we have any sense of freedom at all. 

Satan wants us perverted, destroyed and our souls shackled. The ways of what we consider sin is unsustainable, just as we're living now.

What God offers are shackles too, and what you call perversion I'd call humanity or worldly values. His model isn't really sustainable either, two out of three of his human subjects openly rebelled against him and Adam bitched and moaned through much of it. 

Things like Death are an important part of life, it gives value to the notion of ancestry and allows posterity to work as a rough form of immortality. There is a beauty in how people pass things on as the species overall evolves in it's own direction, and God would take it upon Himself to rid us of these things. 

To borrow from the dilemma of immortals from works of fiction, without Death, what value is there in Life? 

Before the deception we were better off. Even you at one point boasted how animals have it better than we do, we're burdened with certain knowledge. That being certain emotions. The kind that has the potential drive a person to do terrible things, like what Cain did to Able. Jealousy.

I've also advocated for how toil and suffering grant value to the moments that aren't, even gone as far as to state it's a pillar for much of art, and it's less that animals have it better off and more that they do less harm than we do and give more back if they aren't otherwise an invasive species. 

There's a delicate balance to nature, while we've meanwhile subverted it so far that many of us don't even properly recognize nature anymore. Our awareness is a curse, but when the alternative is effectively a lobotomy you have to admit that it'd be hard to let go of it. 

What God asks of us subverts our worldly natures however, He asks us to be inhuman, like a machine, before converting us into forms that will find it easier. 

The upcoming life will be eternal. We'll be sorted out. 

As I've said in more words before, the 'sorting out' to me seems like a spiritual lobotomy. It takes both the good and the bad in a person to define them, and lacking that would make them that much less. 

Turncoat said: 

Golden_Eagle said: 

Turncoat said: 

Golden_Eagle said: 

Doubtfulness is one thing, lack of principles is another.

I recall you saying you identify with Satan before, is what I'm getting at.

That kind of thinking is unwise, when in truth you're truely an agnostic person.

It seems crazier to advocate for God once you take the time to see what He's actually asking for. By comparison Satan is why we have any sense of freedom at all. 

Satan wants us perverted, destroyed and our souls shackled. The ways of what we consider sin is unsustainable, just as we're living now.

What God offers are shackles too, and what you call perversion I'd call humanity or worldly values.

Perversion is a component of humanity's complex system, and every example of it is unsustainable. Humanity as a collective whole represents good and bad variables. If we were all generally perverted, we'd become highly dysfunctional and go extinct. What I call perverted is humanities less flattering attributes. I'm perverted too btw, but I'm also more than that.

His model isn't really sustainable either, two out of three of his human subjects openly rebelled against him and Adam bitched and moaned through much of it. 

I'm pretty sure you're refering to a time period where Satan got his way. Knowing grief is now a thing. Life's a tribulation. Hard lessons for a short time.  You praise Satan for a sense  of freedom, but blame God for giving it a chance in this short time.

Things like Death are an important part of life, it gives value to the notion of ancestry and allows posterity to work as a rough form of immortality. There is a beauty in how people pass things on as the species overall evolves in it's own direction, and God would take it upon Himself to rid us of these things.

Your ancestors, which are millions of people that co created you, are strangers you don't honor. All God given, and death reminds us that all things, even the physical body, are borrowed.

To borrow from the dilemma of immortals from works of fiction, without Death, what value is there in Life? 

A proclaimed athrist that whines about God taking everything away, yet carries on about how valuable death is. What you seek is absolute oblivion,  but penalized God with the accusation of desiring to take it all away. Very interesting case you are.

Before the deception we were better off. Even you at one point boasted how animals have it better than we do, we're burdened with certain knowledge. That being certain emotions. The kind that has the potential drive a person to do terrible things, like what Cain did to Able. Jealousy.

I've also advocated for how toil and suffering grant value to the moments that aren't, even gone as far as to state it's a pillar for much of art, and it's less that animals have it better off and more that they do less harm than we do and give more back if they aren't otherwise an invasive species. 

To be fair, that's more of what you said. About animals. Namely a goldfish. The harm we do is part of our freedom. God's will.

There's a delicate balance to nature, while we've meanwhile subverted it so far that many of us don't even properly recognize nature anymore. Our awareness is a curse, but when the alternative is effectively a lobotomy you have to admit that it'd be hard to let go of it. 

What God asks of us subverts our worldly natures however, He asks us to be inhuman, like a machine, before converting us into forms that will find it easier. 

What God asks is that we treat one another the way we want to be treated. Saying he wants us dehumanized is false. You're just rebellious in nature. I always thought of you an an enabler of dysfunction tbh.

The upcoming life will be eternal. We'll be sorted out. 

As I've said in more words before, the 'sorting out' to me seems like a spiritual lobotomy. It takes both the good and the bad in a person to define them, and lacking that would make them that much less. 

 Okay. But people don't want to life eternally around bullshit. I know I don't want to.

God is very empathic, real empathy. Like feeling what we do to others. We'll be like that to in the next life. Knowing this we'll understand how being all Knowing is linked with being good. You're not going to be wrathful towards others in that state, the higher consciousness state, because you'll feel it too.

For the highest form of awareness. There is no privacy, no secrets. Just raw truth. We'll know the greatest of shame. Pettiness, like scammers or people with ill intent won't fare well in a society of high awareness. What they made of themselves here will be a poor practice in a place where lies snd hiddrn agendas cannot exist.

The greatest good is indeed unified with the highest intelligence. The all knowing. Then we realize how the importance of loving others is of great service to the highest, brightest, most intelligent version of ourselves.

Some won't want to be like this. And will have a hard time adapting considering our spiritual development takes place here, with the veil over our eyes. Those people will want to be among their own. Or seek oblivion. Otherwise eternal timelessness  for them will be an endless storm of being pittied by those who practiced principals of higher standards in this life. Principals that are the way of higher intelligence, which again is incredibly empathic and brings love itself to the top of the agenda. Richness has a different meaning and standard over there.

When asked my opinion on not being sorted out, I'd think it'll be kinda cruel. The higher intellegence would then find the better logic for all, is to divide.

Is an eternal hell really forever ? Perhspse, but everything we do will be eternal which is why we'll have, unlimited access if you will, for everything and everyone. Endlessly. It'll be this and that each for an eternity while eternal hell is referred to as "All eternity" 

All that aside. Learn as much as you can, and beware of fucking up this life. I think what matters most is how we treat others. And learn to love the truth, no mater if it's ugly, because that is the way of ultimate you.

Turncoat said: 

Delora said: 

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Golden_Eagle said: 

God was simply testing Abraham. 

God knew the outcome in advance, so what was the point of the test? To have Abraham prove that to himself? 

Either way that's a kinda fucked up test, and I wish I could see Abraham's emotions during this trial. In the form of text he almost seems ruthless, handling the order with the same composure as American Psycho. 

he did it to set an example that god should be trusted 100% and those who trust god are truly lead by him, and for a people to be lead by god their representative must be a man who is lead by god and will lead them in that way through trust in god.

Yet when people test other people this way they're seen as horrible... and yeah, the 100% trust thing is sort of my problem with it.

It shows Him to be a God of Law more than Good that He'd pride obedience towards something so inhuman rather than hope he spares his own son as the correct answer to the test. If it were a god worth following, they would not ask for such a thing even in this manner, and even if God gave me some kind of prize for getting the answer right when it should have been wrong I'd forever be stuck with very impure questions, and probably some kind of post trauma over the ordeal if I truly loved the one I was supposed to sacrifice for what... mere appeasement? 

it wasnt traumatic for abraham because Abraham isn't you or me, not even his son. abraham knew that only good would come of this. abraham was simply taking part in the example god was setting WHICH was that all god does is good in the end. 

This is why I see the dude like some kind of Psychopath, a normal, functioning father would be much more heartbroken over something like this right? 

no. because the reason above. pretend i said it again.

I also still find it confusing that the first message came from God's voice, then the following ones from an angel. 

god speaks through angels, the angel would give a message through the voice of god. an angel and gods voice are one in the same.

So why did the story bother differentiating between the two, rather than sticking to just one theme? Does it mean something more when an angel's physically there? 

i dont know thats a different matter entirely and seems to be beside the point

((abraham trusted god so much, he trusted god with the fate of his son. and that trust was correct. god did not allow the sacrifice to go through. and with this example god set he also showed even when it seems like we should not trust god, we still should.
If we are to follow orders that seemingly go against God's commandments and the like simply because it came from God, what's to stop someone from doing the same thing when Satan disguises himself as an angel of light? It would appear no differently to someone once God begins giving orders outside of His own guidelines, like what the fuck is someone supposed to do once they hear deific voices (or their own crazy voice) at that point when they lack the means of identifying the source from being a weak smol human? 

Speaking as someone on the schizo-spectrum, I'd find such blind obedience being taught as a moral to be a dangerous thing to be teaching people. If my own crazy decided to speak in the voice of God the source material would be there to reinforce the belief. 

Effectively you're telling me the passages want to expect reward over following arbitrary decisions of something that isn't even human. ))))) 

nope, its about 1. abraham knowing god enough to know his son would be fine 2. trusting god.     in a different context where abraham does not know or understand god, abraham would not have done what he did most likely because he would have suspected god would hurt his son.

thats not what i was saying, it wasnt about obedience it was about trust me even when things eem bleak and in the end it goes well
In this case, what's the difference? Trusting in God is also over Abraham following his orders isn't it? )))))

repeating yourself a second time in a different way for the sake of argument

It really looks like a freakishly inhumane loyalty exercise. Again, imagine a human making someone else do this and it seems insane, yet this voice in space gives the orders and it's perfectly normal. )))))

stop reeating yourself you said this twice

I really can't bridge that, it ignores their humanity almost entirely as some kind of messed up trust exercise, and the reward doesn't seem equivalent to the cost (if Abraham weren't a psychopath anyway) any more than a billionaire telling you to commit murder and then changing his mind after the fact before showering you in gifts. )))))) 

no, i already explained this, at this point a lot of this is just you repeating yourself over and over and over again in different ways

also no tc, abraham would not go to hell if he didnt do that, hashem just would not have chosen his son to father the jewish people and other than that everything would have been fine.

Golden_Eagle said:

Turncoat said: 

Golden_Eagle said: 

Satan wants us perverted, destroyed and our souls shackled. The ways of what we consider sin is unsustainable, just as we're living now.

What God offers are shackles too, and what you call perversion I'd call humanity or worldly values.

Perversion is a component of humanity's complex system, and every example of it is unsustainable. Humanity as a collective whole represents good and bad variables. If we were all generally perverted, we'd become highly dysfunctional and go extinct. What I call perverted is humanities less flattering attributes. I'm perverted too btw, but I'm also more than that.

Humanity didn't work in the garden nor out here on Earth, it could be argued that we weren't meant to succeed within the constraints of God's system as more of an inherent flaw that's otherwise largely inescapable for the majority of people. 

Even stranger is the behavior I see some Christians exhibit as if they see themselves as if separate from the other people over their attempt to adopt a nature as unnatural towards man as teaching a chimp to sing opera. 

His model isn't really sustainable either, two out of three of his human subjects openly rebelled against him and Adam bitched and moaned through much of it. 

I'm pretty sure you're refering to a time period where Satan got his way.

Still don't see why God put that tree there at all, nor how He would not see humanity's failure coming a mile away. 

I'm often left with the impression that God cannot relate to Man almost at all. 

You praise Satan for a sense  of freedom, but blame God for giving it a chance in this short time.

That's not what I blame God for, I blame him for his response against the majority of humanity. 

Rather than have us be like wolves he'd rather domesticate us into dogs while rendering the rest extinct. How is something like this not the bad guy when it would be if any other force tried doing that to us?

I feel like too many people use his history as a creator to justify everything else that followed it. 

Things like Death are an important part of life, it gives value to the notion of ancestry and allows posterity to work as a rough form of immortality. There is a beauty in how people pass things on as the species overall evolves in it's own direction, and God would take it upon Himself to rid us of these things.

Your ancestors, which are millions of people that co created you, are strangers you don't honor. All God given, and death reminds us that all things, even the physical body, are borrowed. 

By proxy it took the fruit for those people to then exist, the only one having babies at the time otherwise was Lilith. 

Ancestry is a byproduct of the birth-to-death cycle, and just how God did not have it in his plan for us before so too does He plan to take those things away in favor of an unchanging, stagnant world with people incapable of questioning the conditions once they're through their final conversion. 

To borrow from the dilemma of immortals from works of fiction, without Death, what value is there in Life? 

A proclaimed athrist that whines about God taking everything away, yet carries on about how valuable death is.

I believe I've been praising that loss exists to grant a comparison that allows for greater joy, and stating that ridding of loss is one of the problems with God's endgame. 

It's like you're taking arguments from other people and acting like I said them, where in here did I complain about God taking things away, rather than his code of ethics and how he plans to handle humanity? That isn't about loss, that's about the constraints of His system as He's presented it to us being the problem. If anything the complaints are over His dual-natured idea of Eternity. 

What you seek is absolute oblivion,  but penalized God with the accusation of desiring to take it all away. Very interesting case you are.

I wouldn't call it seeking to not believe in other alternatives. 

Before the deception we were better off. Even you at one point boasted how animals have it better than we do, we're burdened with certain knowledge. That being certain emotions. The kind that has the potential drive a person to do terrible things, like what Cain did to Able. Jealousy.

I've also advocated for how toil and suffering grant value to the moments that aren't, even gone as far as to state it's a pillar for much of art, and it's less that animals have it better off and more that they do less harm than we do and give more back if they aren't otherwise an invasive species. 

To be fair, that's more of what you said. About animals. Namely a goldfish. The harm we do is part of our freedom. God's will.

I don't think you're quite getting my point about animals. 

Most of the animal kingdom does a better job at preserving nature than we do, we meanwhile are exceptional at destroying it, and often accomplish it even by accident or through passive living habits while working to preserve ourselves instead as a subversion of nature, a twist on wisdom one might call it. 

There's a delicate balance to nature, while we've meanwhile subverted it so far that many of us don't even properly recognize nature anymore. Our awareness is a curse, but when the alternative is effectively a lobotomy you have to admit that it'd be hard to let go of it. 

What God asks of us subverts our worldly natures however, He asks us to be inhuman, like a machine, before converting us into forms that will find it easier. 

What God asks is that we treat one another the way we want to be treated.

He also asks for complete obedience and a ton of other messy things, this isn't as simple as rules of reciprocity that you can find in most faiths. 

Saying he wants us dehumanized is false. You're just rebellious in nature.

Humanity is based around rebellion, both before and after the apple. We didn't even need to be taught that one, it is a part of who we are inherently. 

What He asks people to be by contrast is not human, and even those who try to follow such a path tend to need to be forgiven repeatedly over how unnatural it is or are otherwise doing enough of it wrong to be sentenced to Hell. It doesn't take much to be sent to the flames, not much at all. Even otherwise good, righteous people are liable to be sentenced to torture if they don't accept very specific things. 

There is a reason why Satan's ideas come more naturally: They are worldly, they are of us, and it's literally every other option we have available lumped into one choice. Satan's decrees are not just enabling the worst man has to offer in spite of how much the texts like to demonize him, but rather enabling even the good that happens to otherwise deviate from God's path. Even his symbols are borrowed from other faiths Gods, which themselves would revere the forces of this world rather than wax their ego in the name of detachment and a belief of ascension. 

They like to stress how horrible Satan is, but if most rational people were to see what God's plan is with absolute proof of it, and understand that Satan stands for the opposite? It's difficult to agree with something as inhuman as God when they promise us something scarier than a Skynet-esque future for over 99% of us in the name of cleansing and purity, and sort of puts Satan in the position of Humanity's protector when it comes to it's current form. 

Delora said: 

also no tc, abraham would not go to hell if he didnt do that, hashem just would not have chosen his son to father the jewish people and other than that everything would have been fine.

Isn't disobeying God usually frowned upon?