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Turncoat said: 

Delora said: 

Turncoat said: 

JesusistheKing said: 

So it was Abram that lied to Isaac,  not God to Abram  God just gave a command,  and then later on said that following through on the command was not required anymore  God is free to do that it seems and it is not sinning

He made him go through something as psychopathic as killing his son to test his faith, only stopping him at the last minute when he was sure he would do it. That's horrible, that to me sounds more like something demons might do. Have others been asked to potentially kill their firstborns like this for God to such a degree that Abraham saw this as normal, or did Abraham not really care about his son at all in lieu of his faith? 

We also have to ask if either of the figures in the story giving him commands can be trusted: Could the Angel perhaps simply be a Demon disguised as an Angel of Light, throwing everything off course of God's truly intended command, or perhaps the voice Abraham heard was not God, and the Angel came to stop him from doing a horrible thing. 

I also question from the authoring if he'd perhaps killed his son before the story was decidedly revised, as the outcome reminds me of how God tried to fix things after Job was tested; Having God kill his wife and take from him everything he loved in favor of new ones in higher supply later... as if God doesn't understand the value of sentimentality. 

All of this testing otherwise should be unnecessary if God knows all and sees all of time and space, knows all that could be known, so why did He need to have Abraham prove to him that he'd kill his son if he already knew he would in advance? Seems like needless sadism to me. 

 Both of you are idiots with no understanding of the torah

What's your take on the story? 

 I'm not going to get into this with you because I know you are not genuine 

Delora said: 

Turncoat said: 

Delora said: 

Turncoat said: 

JesusistheKing said: 

So it was Abram that lied to Isaac,  not God to Abram  God just gave a command,  and then later on said that following through on the command was not required anymore  God is free to do that it seems and it is not sinning

He made him go through something as psychopathic as killing his son to test his faith, only stopping him at the last minute when he was sure he would do it. That's horrible, that to me sounds more like something demons might do. Have others been asked to potentially kill their firstborns like this for God to such a degree that Abraham saw this as normal, or did Abraham not really care about his son at all in lieu of his faith? 

We also have to ask if either of the figures in the story giving him commands can be trusted: Could the Angel perhaps simply be a Demon disguised as an Angel of Light, throwing everything off course of God's truly intended command, or perhaps the voice Abraham heard was not God, and the Angel came to stop him from doing a horrible thing. 

I also question from the authoring if he'd perhaps killed his son before the story was decidedly revised, as the outcome reminds me of how God tried to fix things after Job was tested; Having God kill his wife and take from him everything he loved in favor of new ones in higher supply later... as if God doesn't understand the value of sentimentality. 

All of this testing otherwise should be unnecessary if God knows all and sees all of time and space, knows all that could be known, so why did He need to have Abraham prove to him that he'd kill his son if he already knew he would in advance? Seems like needless sadism to me. 

 Both of you are idiots with no understanding of the torah

What's your take on the story? 

 I'm not going to get into this with you because I know you are not genuine 

About Bible stuff or in general? 

I would really like to know your take on it, you actually study the stuff unlike Turquie and have reason to put your faith behind it unlike myself. 

Golden_Eagle said: 

God was simply testing Abraham. 

God knew the outcome in advance, so what was the point of the test? To have Abraham prove that to himself? 

Either way that's a kinda fucked up test, and I wish I could see Abraham's emotions during this trial. In the form of text he almost seems ruthless, handling the order with the same composure as American Psycho. 

Turncoat said: 

Golden_Eagle said: 

God was simply testing Abraham. 

God knew the outcome in advance, so what was the point of the test? To have Abraham prove that to himself? 

Either way that's a kinda fucked up test, and I wish I could see Abraham's emotions during this trial. In the form of text he almost seems ruthless, handling the order with the same composure as American Psycho. 

 he did it to set an example that god should be trusted 100% and those who trust god are truly lead by him, and for a people to be lead by god their representative must be a man who is lead by god and will lead them in that way through trust in god. he did it to show people led by god have good things happen to them, as Abraham's son went on the father an entire people seemingly as numerous as the stars. he didnt want adam and eve 2.0 where adam trusts god so little he puts eve above him and eats the apple. for all abraham knew if he didnt sacrifice his son millions would die, or maybe in sacrificing his son something good would happen to his son. abraham trusted god so much, he trusted god with the fate of his son. and that trust was correct. god did not allow the sacrifice to go through. and with this example god set he also showed even when it seems like we should not trust god, we still should. after all, who wants to live in a world under a god that cannot be trusted? That's terrifying. abraham had no ill will for his son nor would god encourage it. abraham simply trusted god enough to know whatever god asked for was good. and the son trusting god and his father abraham the same.

Turncoat said: 

Golden_Eagle said: 

God was simply testing Abraham. 

God knew the outcome in advance, so what was the point of the test? To have Abraham prove that to himself? 

Either way that's a kinda fucked up test, and I wish I could see Abraham's emotions during this trial. In the form of text he almost seems ruthless, handling the order with the same composure as American Psycho. 

 God has to let things play out, or else it wouldn't happen at all, even stuff like this. It's not our potential that matters, it's what we actually do. Knowing Abraham would obey God is one thing, but having Abraham actually play it out is what contributes to his development, as it is with us all.

Personally I don't know if God knows the future when it comes to us. Our creation came to God at a price, and I do believe a part of him is in us, which is why our souls are so valuable to an entity that wants to be God. An entity that both hates us and wants to be us. Not that I would know, but it's probably that we for one can defy God in ways an angel cannot.

so like,  Jesus turned the Passover celebration into the communion ritual,  and then he basically said that he will not be physically celebrating the communion ritual with them again until he comes back and there is the marriage feast between himself and his saints  so the fruit of the vine is the ritual wine  but it still confuses the part of me that is like but you literally drank literal sour wine vinegar before you died so you contradicted yourself  but I am calming down a little and trying to see that maybe just maybe my perspective is not the perfect one

 I still feel a little frustrated though,  I just  🙎‍♀️😡

https://georgesjournal.net/2013/02/24/what-did-jesus-mean-when-he-said-he-would-not-eat-the-passover-again-until-it-was-fulfilled-in-the-kingdom-of-god-lk-2216/

^  like this is one explanation but even this person does not really include how Jesus transformed the Passover rituals into the New Covenant communion rituals

Well you know. He was dying right, and someone offered his dying carcas a sip, so Jesus said, oh fuck it, and he slurped it in.

https://sociopathcommunity.com/Forum/Topic/25009/1/k-i-get-it-now-communion-is-the-transormed-passover-ritual

Golden_Eagle said: 

Well you know. He was dying right, and someone offered his dying carcas a sip, so Jesus said, oh fuck it, and he slurped it in.

 

This is the dude that fasted for an absurd amount of time, I'd think his mental discipline would be stronger than that. 

Turncoat said: 

Golden_Eagle said: 

Well you know. He was dying right, and someone offered his dying carcas a sip, so Jesus said, oh fuck it, and he slurped it in.

 

This is the dude that fasted for an absurd amount of time, I'd think his mental discipline would be stronger than that. 

 fine just ignore my arguments because they trump you