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Turncoat said: 

He's demanding complete placation while not even wanting her to open her mouth, beyond the confines of this once a month thing he tried to squeeze out of it. Again I'd see a problem with this out of either gender if both people weren't expressly into it. 

The dude's kinda fucked up ngl, and it's kind of haunting to see him defended when he didn't even hide much of what was wrong with their relationship in spite of there being multiple glaring edits in the work. I get a strong feeling that he doesn't see the problem with it (and the Destiny interview is just making it worse).

That she didn't even want to be on camera, the way he twisted that to being about her doing more things to him, this dude clearly has a lot of time to think his own thoughts without the intrusion of others in his mind's eye, and the last thing he wants is to have his train of thought interrupted to the point of social allergy and intolerance to the presence of her voice. 

A lot of this is presumptive, like nefarious edits or her not wanting to be on camera (as opposed to her having a moment of doubt, and later deciding the project was positive). Or dislike having a train of thought interrupted in the context of this conversation, made to an abstraction about the general attitude he has about his partner. It seems to me like finding a theme for the thing and running with it without brakes. There is stuff I agree with, like he is obviously better poised in the situation, there is a mean or sadistic tone, he is turning stuff back around on her. But I don't think it's so much a one-sided resolution as it is something not properly resolved. Even if he thinks it's resolved.

For the steep price he's asking for, he either needs to find someone who's into that (which he doesn't want) or he needs to be a lot more patient with them. They seriously need a moderator to keep him under control, as he was not willing to listen to her at all and multiple times just spoke over her while being whiny any time she said anything.

From a bit further in the Destiny video, I guess she's going to have minimal Internet presence, but they are doing couples therapy. But I agree that he either needs to find someone into that or he needs to give something more.

Tryptamine said: 

Turncoat said:

Except he's not just talking about how he wants that once a month, he's outright acting on it in the conversation and wanted it in the present until she finally hit a breaking point like 18 minutes in which he used to call her controlling and overemotional.

Why is it wrong for him to express himself honestly on the topic?

That's not all this is, that would be the times he's on his stream mouthing off live. Even how he is with others shows at least a modicum of respect for their autonomy and some level of patience for what they're saying. 

This is different from his other content, and while I can respect how raw and honestly some of this comes out In The Name of Artistic Integrity, over how it evokes an emotion very effectively, what we saw here is not just expression, it was a sample of their dialogue where he aimed to use the camera as a weapon, alongside a slew of other things he does to force emotional compliance. 

She said she didn't want this footage to be seen by anyone and here we are talking about it. 

Turncoat said:

If so, then his seesaw routine I narrated before that lets him break a person down and border on gaslighting practices qualifies.

While what he was doing did have that effect, gaslighting implies a misleading, whereas he firmly believes what he's bringing up.

Hence bordering on, it's more how he goes about it that's concerning than the words themselves. He otherwise goes on about how she's hysterical and psychotic as he gets defensive and aims to alienate her from her friends, this is dangerously close. 

He has spent a lot of time reading and talking to people, he's learned how to couch the words in a way that makes it more palatable, and in that sense as an exploration to one's desires and the human condition that's fine. If he were willing to find a partner who's into this sort of thing, that'd help this become significantly more acceptable. 

The philosophy of his needs are not what's on trial here, what's problematic is the expression of it and how unwilling he is to find healthy outlets for it. 

This is him attempting sadist justification through some very strange paths, primarily emotional manipulation involving shutting down her autonomy every step of the way by framing her as a bunch of horrible things for doing nothing while he gets to rant on and on entirely self-absorbed, throwing accusations at her that are far more fittingly thrown at him (having me wonder if he's carrying it over from former baggage to the point of echoing it, like TK did with stuff about 'pigs'). 

He is emotionally abusing her through spending the entire time shutting her down through a variety of means each tailored to however her behavior changes. That's not how you have a conversation, even I know that as a chronic critic. You can be honest and critical without it being straight demanding like that. 

Turncoat said:

It was the 29th, it was a valid question for whatever horrible fantasies he needs to feel like he's twelve again (his words).

She clearly did not want it but he had her roped into thinking she's selfish and psychotic if she doesn't placate his needs, words that are strangely projective and hypocritical coming from him.

If you see that as her trying to control him rather than get terms of the agreement explicitly stated then I don't even know right now. He then following goes on about how she's not establishing boundaries when like, how is she supposed to do that in this structure when even her shutting down is within the guidelines of what he's asking for?

All she can really do here is leave, he is not open to listening.

The question wasn't really about what the date so that they could figure out what month it "counted for", it was a suggestion of willingness with overtones of still being uncertain.

She didn't want it but was wanting to be there for his needs out of that likely being what calms him down, and I see nothing wrong with her being uncertain and trying to understand the terms. She clearly does not enjoy escalation and you can see him using that throughout the video, especially early on. Her question over if it's the calendar month or a month's worth of time is an entirely valid question if she's otherwise going to comply with what is essentially a verbal contract being made for the internet to verify for him. 

He has ranted about how establishing terms 'ruins it' over other subject matter even in the ethics video and other places. He thinks that people should be able to just do things instead of complying to another's demands, as if it were some sort of uncompromising black and white. His 11% feeling like 100% thing was very good at illustrating aspects of the problems he has over gray area compromising, he's very "it either is or it isn't", no middle road. 

He also has shown that he thinks any situation that becomes a problem can be talked out of, making the entire process meaningless and therefor not worth taking seriously. He even tries to suggest that Destiny 'gets it', then sees his behavior as inauthentic 'for the fans' effectively when he doesn't 'talk the talk' on camera. 

The exact semantics of the words aren't as important as where they're coming from. The problem being, on his end, that he doesn't want to continually placate in that sort of way, but that's a separate matter from what the interaction itself is.

He sees any amount of compromise as placation, and he uses getting his foot in the door to keep asking for more. 

He doesn't like the sound of the word 'No'...

Turncoat said:

Most people couldn't, and he gets really aggressive and entitled about it.

Mostly agree, although entitlement implies that he thinks he has a right to something. He's definitely being pushy about what he wants, but it never seems expected as given.

No, I want to say... four or so minutes in (don't quote me on that) he goes on about how the terms of their monogamy has him entitled to getting the things he wants, followed by a laundry list of the woes and suffering he goes through for her before calling her selfish through a variety of phrasings. 

Turncoat said:

The dude's kinda fucked up ngl.

Without judgement, I think a lot of people would feel the same about many of the things ordinary people wanted or did if they were open to such an extent and audience.

I disagree, I've seen people who open up about their fantasies, needs, kinks, and what he's going on about is not like that. 

A lot of people desire some fucked up shit, but they tend to understand the autonomy of other people and don't feel stuck having to break them down like that. Even further it's not uncommon to hear someone say they want a fuckdoll night with their S.O., a "no hassle" setup can mean a lot of different things coming from a lot of different people, but how he goes about it is not the right way to go. 

As I'd suspected from watching the video from... knowing that look well enough at this point in my life, that was sadistic pleasure playing in the background of his thinking and he doesn't even seem to mind admitting to it in the Destiny interview. He was getting off to the power for quite a bit of it until the 18 minute mark where he began to struggle a bit more with his comfort zone on and off, needing moments of shutting her down like ego breathers compared to before. 

The problem I have with this is that he isn't treating her like a human being during the majority of this discussion. At most he tries to act like she's a peer when he sheepishly asks to play Smash, when some part of him suspected damage control might be needed after that stunt, but then the crying pretty much circumvented any chance of that. 

Those two need a moderator, someone who gives them turns to talk. 

Tryptamine said: 

Turncoat said: 

He's demanding complete placation while not even wanting her to open her mouth, beyond the confines of this once a month thing he tried to squeeze out of it. Again I'd see a problem with this out of either gender if both people weren't expressly into it. 

The dude's kinda fucked up ngl, and it's kind of haunting to see him defended when he didn't even hide much of what was wrong with their relationship in spite of there being multiple glaring edits in the work. I get a strong feeling that he doesn't see the problem with it (and the Destiny interview is just making it worse).

That she didn't even want to be on camera, the way he twisted that to being about her doing more things to him, this dude clearly has a lot of time to think his own thoughts without the intrusion of others in his mind's eye, and the last thing he wants is to have his train of thought interrupted to the point of social allergy and intolerance to the presence of her voice. 

A lot of this is presumptive, like nefarious edits

They specifically cut out two important protest moments in their conversation, some others maybe over them talking over eachother but there were other cuts too. 

I'd understand the conspiracy angle or whatever you'd call it if it weren't for those two specific cuts during key emotional moments. Something important is in those and we don't get to see whatever it is, and judging from her follow up talk over questioning how he's not saying anything? She must have been talking for a while before they cut it, and it was important to her, and that is the part the editing does not let us see. 

But I don't think it's so much a one-sided resolution as it is something not properly resolved. Even if he thinks it's resolved.

Of course he'd say that while wearing a shirt of her face, I don't trust his judgement, let alone what he'd say on a stream questioning him beyond the parts where he seems to not get why it'd be weird to say something. One thing control freaks have in common: Everything has to feel like it's fine, and he may even believe it in spite of clues others would pick out in very little time. 

I'm sure her and her concerned friends have a different take, and the video's pretty damning for how he's kinda horrible to her. 

they are doing couples therapy.

But I agree that he either needs to find someone into that or he needs to give something more.

There are seriously people who would gush over what he's asking for, but he specifically says that he wants them to not enjoy it on any level. It's one sided emotional sadism, which in this case he seems surprisingly unashamed of for someone that defensive over being questioned. 

He keeps trying to say he wants their feels to not distract his feels, but it's more than that, he's enjoying the bad feels and tried to create a love triangle with his sex doll to make her jealous (the fuck?). 

Awesome sauce

Blanc said: 

Awesome sauce

Did you watch it? 

Tryptamine said:

26:50:
MrGirl: "I don't think the problem is that Shaelan isn't into it, I don-I don-I don't agree that she's not into it... the problem is she's not into agreeing to things" from a rape fetishist, ohjeez. 

29:25:
MrGirl: "Wait, she said yes, right? I mean like, we have the same understanding here... about the ending of the video?"

Destiny: "Well she said it with a lot of obvious emotional reservations..."

MrGirl: "Well that's perfect, that's perfect." 

Uhhhhhh...

30:28:
MrGirl: "Uhhm, yeah, I'm not saying it went perfectly, but I feel, I feel, like, uh, I feel happy with the resolution." 

Destiny: "Wha, how, why?"

MrGirl: "Because I get, I got what I wanted." 

Destiny: "Well do you feel like she got what she wanted?" 

MrGirl (perks up): "No!"

Poor Destiny is really struggling to find PC ways of asking him questions over this. I also feel like this 'once a month' fixation has one horrible stipulation: If she does anything to screw up his good time he'll feel entitled to try again. 

31:39:
Destiny: "But it seems like... to get to that point? You're going to have to lay... a whole bunch of emotional groundwork... to get there. Like you're going to have to do a lot of work... to get to that point. 

MrGirl: "I feel like we're there!" 

Ohgod this guy oh no.

He's also entirely trying to get away from aftercare wtf, how can he be like "Hey, gonna rape you once a month, and if you enjoy it I'm gonna rape you again until you stop ruining this for me, and if that makes you feel shitty that's your problem you need to process that shit that is your problem"? 

He really has a bender with the word 'responsibility'. 

34:16:
MrGirl: "We're not jumping off of a cliff, we're not hoping there's some balloon at the bottom, we're just managing our feelings. But when we ask... Shaelan to do it, it's throwing a little baby off a cliff. I don't, I just don't... I-I agree that I kinda feel like that but I don't... it's not true. I don't want to feel like that."

Destiny stammers in disbelief. 

MrGirl: "This baby better grow wings." 

He... really doesn't see the problem, he'll instead opt to call her having emotions as her controlling him... 😬

This dude wow, he even calls Shaelan a complete mess before asking if Destiny thinks he's a complete mess, like he couldn't stand to have his own idea of her be said about him. He then goes on to say that Destiny is too afraid of PC culture effectively rather than internalizing that he's a PoS, insisting Destiny really agrees with him. 

38:05:
MrGirl: "When it comes to this, uhhh, doll sex... I need a break. Daddy needs a break." 

Destiny: "Well, no, you don't need a break. You need access to their body, and then for them to shut their emotions off. It's a way bigger ask than saying you need a break." 

MrGirl: "Nononono, I don't want her to shut her emotions off. I actually need her to not shut her emotions off. I don't want her to dissociate, because that will cause problems. I think that is the concern is that she'll do this by dissociating. That, that would not be okay with i- if I... sense from looking at her lifeless body that she's dissociated, then I will yell at her for a whole new thing." 

This emotional sadism is off the charts. This isn't about 'Doll Sex' anymore as much as he keeps calling it that, he wants her to struggle and not want it. He even seemed offended earlier at the idea of her taking drugs to accept him more easily, he specifically wants to get off to her pain and insists that that pain be real and uncompromised with no aftercare or true consideration for her needs. 

In the original video, he said that he just wanted her to shut up and lie still. Now in the post-interview he's insisting that she needs to struggle and can't dissociate. He can't even keep his story straight at this point and it's growing increasingly concerning when paired with how her need for defined terms could have been defensively learned. 

40:05
MrGirl: "I still contest your overall view of the situation as... 'Unresolved' and that Shaelan said no. She... she said yes, and I, and I got what I wanted and I feel like this is a victory." 

Destiny: "I don't think that should be the goal... of those types of conversations, right?"

MrGirl: "Well maybe that's the issue, that you don't like my goal." 


Tryp, I'm sorry but you can't seriously expect me to believe things are just fine. 

...he wants a break from calling her a stupid bitch for 12 minutes a month... this dude. I'm taking a break at this point for my sanity, this dude's straight triggering. 

For a min I thought this was provocative, interesting performance art lol. Realizing its real tho… total scorched earth shit. Full disclosure I did skim through it, but that sustained level of pas-ag hostility is super weird. Wtf do either of them get out of that relationship? It’s like emotional Chinese water torture 

Max_Power said: 

For a min I thought this was provocative, interesting performance art lol. Realizing its real tho… total scorched earth shit. Full disclosure I did skim through it, but that sustained level of pas-ag hostility is super weird. Wtf do either of them get out of that relationship? It’s like emotional Chinese water torture 

It's worth the whole video. 

Tim,
You have to be the dumbest person on this earth. Really, all the bulbs went at the same time. I really hope that you have been neutered, so there are not little dumb Tims running around.

Man this dude. Here's them from a year and a half ago to work as a timeline (11 minutes): 



Skip to around 6:30 to get them trying to have a conversation once it gets to gameplay footage, MrGirl can't chill at all and starts chastising her, but she back then seemed much more patient with his shit. 

The dude even chooses to start the video with her bitching about a sandwich as if to immediately try to sell to us she's a bitch, he doesn't seem that different while she's clearly changed. There's only one other video of her where she's only there for a short bit that's like... 20 seconds or something (with her uncomfortable with his physicality even then), so this video before the one you posted in the OP was our only source of reference from him to her character. 

Looks like they both try to use media as the bandage for their issues (and the cat). Even in the video from the OP he tries to mend it all by suggesting they play Smash.