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Xena said: 

And I still say we should send NATO forces.

Like all of them

Kick those vile child raping orcs out of Ukraine properly.

Like Desert Storm. 4 weeks, tops.

 

Best case scenario, the Russian's would use a tactical nuke. Worst case scenario, we all get atomized.

Unfortunately until we have a way of immobilizing a retaliatory response (which we're working on), modern conflict between nuclear states is going to be protracted conventional proxy warfare. 

The other weird parallel with history rn is the new Manhattan Project. Speaking of the ability to impair retaliation, quantum computers and quantum satellites are turning into the next arms race. We live in interesting times. 

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I don't believe Pooptin will nuke anybody.

Whatever else you can say about him, he's not a stupid man.

He knows the Americans and maybe the Brits will have time to retalliate, even if the Germans might not.

He knows that the resulting nuclear winter will kill him, too.

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Xena without the usual disrespect but I think there is a bigger picture that western leaders are seeing. If helping Ukraine and starting ww3 or fucking up the world economy VS. giving half of Ukraine to putin is an easy choice for you towards helping Ukraine it is probably right that you are a redacted. You know choices have many different kinds of results.. If prices go up 40 percent in the US or Germany we will be pissed but kinda fine... People in other parts of the world will just starve and die. Things are not as easy and linear as you might think. 

 Not if we can end the war in a few short weeks.

That was kinda my point.

I'm a Sword Through The Gordian Knot kinda gal  :P

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Xena said: 

I don't believe Pooptin will nuke anybody.

Whatever else you can say about him, he's not a stupid man.

He knows the Americans and maybe the Brits will have time to retalliate, even if the Germans might not.

He knows that the resulting nuclear winter will kill him, too.

He's already a dead man walking, so he doesn't have to be stupid, just enough of a megalomaniac to want to take the world out with him. 

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He has 2 daughters that he cares about enough to have kept them a secret all their lives.

He won't nuke them.

 

Besides, I suspect this sudden quest for glory before he dies is not rlly his doing.

Or at least not his alone.

I suspect there's a coup brewing, and the greedy buggers who are whispering this insane Grima Wormtongue shit in his ears won't be able to hold back much longer. They're going to make a move before long.

I suspect somebody will feed him a pollonium sandwich long before he gets to die of natural causes.

You can't rule the way that guy does without making all kinds of blood enemies.

 

His successors won't drop nukes, either.

Those people are all talk.

And their nukes are probably as defective as their tanks.

They'll probably blow themselves up before their nukes come out of their storehouses.

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Xena said: 

He has 2 daughters that he cares about enough to have kept them a secret all their lives.

He won't nuke them.

 

Besides, I suspect this sudden quest for glory before he dies is not rlly his doing.

Or at least not his alone.

I suspect there's a coup brewing, and the greedy buggers who are whispering this insane Grima Wormtongue shit in his ears won't be able to hold back much longer. They're going to make a move before long.

I suspect somebody will feed him a pollonium sandwich long before he gets to die of natural causes.

You can't rule the way that guy does without making all kinds of blood enemies.

 

His successors won't drop nukes, either.

Those people are all talk.

And their nukes are probably as defective as their tanks.

They'll probably blow themselves up before their nukes come out of their storehouses.

Easy to say from our relative positions, but would you really take that gamble if it was your call to send NATO troops into Ukraine?

Risking nuclear war isn't worth it. Besides, we've war gamed a huge variety of possible outcomes to this (and have been doing so for 20+ years), if NATO intervention looked like the correct path, we'd take it. 

Sometimes I think civilians think these decisions are a coin flip, but strategists, commanders and intelligence agencies have been planning this across multiple administrations for decades. This was a known flash point. 

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Outro said: 
Xena said: 

He has 2 daughters that he cares about enough to have kept them a secret all their lives.

He won't nuke them.

 

Besides, I suspect this sudden quest for glory before he dies is not rlly his doing.

Or at least not his alone.

I suspect there's a coup brewing, and the greedy buggers who are whispering this insane Grima Wormtongue shit in his ears won't be able to hold back much longer. They're going to make a move before long.

I suspect somebody will feed him a pollonium sandwich long before he gets to die of natural causes.

You can't rule the way that guy does without making all kinds of blood enemies.

 

His successors won't drop nukes, either.

Those people are all talk.

And their nukes are probably as defective as their tanks.

They'll probably blow themselves up before their nukes come out of their storehouses.

Easy to say from our relative positions, but would you really take that gamble if it was your call to send NATO troops into Ukraine?

Risking nuclear war isn't worth it. Besides, we've war gamed a huge variety of possible outcomes to this (and have been doing so for 20+ years), if NATO intervention looked like the correct path, we'd take it. 

Sometimes I think civilians think these decisions are a coin flip, but strategists, commanders and intelligence agencies have been planning this across multiple administrations for decades. This was a known flash point. 

Things have changed since Soviet times.

Like I said, Pooptin's nukes are probably as defective as his tanks.

If they were going to use nukes they would have done so already.

 

They've already used white phosphorous bombs and cluster munitions.

And Biden did not follow up on his threats.

So Pooptin thinks he's a pussy.

 

I'm a little pissed that Biden is willing to go to war for Taiwan, but not Ukraine.

Bringing China into the conflict will be his fatal flaw.

He needs to let that shit go right now, and send troops to Ukraine where they can actually accomplish smthg.

 

Anyway, my point is that Pooptin is not a classy American president.

This is a pissing contest with dirty mafioso rules.

If some thug and 10 of his buddies were mercilessly beating on a friend or business contact of yours in some turf war, would it be enough to just throw the guy a knife? To beg the thugs to stop? To try to bribe them to stop?

I think not.

Putin has always reminded me of Littlefinger from Game of Thrones.

He needs the Arya Stark treatment.

Fast and silent.

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And for the 8000th time, I was an anthro and archaeology major, and I wanted to go into forensics, specializing in war crimes.

I'm not some clueless civilian.

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Xena said: 
Outro said: 
Xena said: 

He has 2 daughters that he cares about enough to have kept them a secret all their lives.

He won't nuke them.

Besides, I suspect this sudden quest for glory before he dies is not rlly his doing.

Or at least not his alone.

I suspect there's a coup brewing, and the greedy buggers who are whispering this insane Grima Wormtongue shit in his ears won't be able to hold back much longer. They're going to make a move before long.

I suspect somebody will feed him a pollonium sandwich long before he gets to die of natural causes.

You can't rule the way that guy does without making all kinds of blood enemies.

His successors won't drop nukes, either.

Those people are all talk.

And their nukes are probably as defective as their tanks.

They'll probably blow themselves up before their nukes come out of their storehouses.

Easy to say from our relative positions, but would you really take that gamble if it was your call to send NATO troops into Ukraine?

Risking nuclear war isn't worth it. Besides, we've war gamed a huge variety of possible outcomes to this (and have been doing so for 20+ years), if NATO intervention looked like the correct path, we'd take it. 

Sometimes I think civilians think these decisions are a coin flip, but strategists, commanders and intelligence agencies have been planning this across multiple administrations for decades. This was a known flash point. 

Things have changed since Soviet times.

Like I said, Pooptin's nukes are probably as defective as his tanks.

Only takes one to send Europe back to the stone age.

If they were going to use nukes they would have done so already.

That statement makes no sense. They'll use one when they're backed into a corner or facing an existential threat, not in the first 60 days of a war that they might still win. 

They've already used white phosphorous bombs and cluster munitions.

And Biden did not follow up on his threats.

So Pooptin thinks he's a pussy.

Agree on this.

I'm a little pissed that Biden is willing to go to war for Taiwan, but not Ukraine.

Bringing China into the conflict will be his fatal flaw.

He needs to let that shit go right now, and send troops to Ukraine where they can actually accomplish smthg.

Both agree and disagree. War with China is equally terrible as war with Russia, but we do have greater strategic interests in the pacific. 

Anyway, my point is that Pooptin is not a classy American president.

This is a pissing contest with dirty mafioso rules.

If some thug and 10 of his buddies were mercilessly beating on a friend or business contact of yours in some turf war, would it be enough to just throw the guy a knife? To beg the thugs to stop? To try to bribe them to stop?

I think not.

Is nuclear armageddon at risk in this hypothetic alleyway knife fight? Lmao

Putin has always reminded me of Littlefinger from Game of Thrones.

He needs the Arya Stark treatment.

Fast and silent.

 Yikes. Well I'm glad you're not in charge, lol 

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Outro said: 
Xena said: 
Outro said: 
Xena said: 

He has 2 daughters that he cares about enough to have kept them a secret all their lives.

He won't nuke them.

Besides, I suspect this sudden quest for glory before he dies is not rlly his doing.

Or at least not his alone.

I suspect there's a coup brewing, and the greedy buggers who are whispering this insane Grima Wormtongue shit in his ears won't be able to hold back much longer. They're going to make a move before long.

I suspect somebody will feed him a pollonium sandwich long before he gets to die of natural causes.

You can't rule the way that guy does without making all kinds of blood enemies.

His successors won't drop nukes, either.

Those people are all talk.

And their nukes are probably as defective as their tanks.

They'll probably blow themselves up before their nukes come out of their storehouses.

 

Anyway, my point is that Pooptin is not a classy American president.

This is a pissing contest with dirty mafioso rules.

If some thug and 10 of his buddies were mercilessly beating on a friend or business contact of yours in some turf war, would it be enough to just throw the guy a knife? To beg the thugs to stop? To try to bribe them to stop?

I think not.

Is nuclear armageddon at risk in this hypothetic alleyway knife fight? Lmao

No. And it's not a risk with getting involved in the Ukraine war, either.

For the fifth time, I don't believe that smirking midget will drop nukes.

I never did.

Biden already gave his ultimatum.

He should have sent NATO troops the minute those white phosphorous bombs rained down on Azovstal.

Biden could have used that as his excuse to save Azovstal, Mariupol, The Black Sea, and the stolen grain, in one quick and decisive air strike.

Like Desert Storm.

Unfortunately, he was dealing with a mass shooter.

That was such horrible timing that if I were a more paranoid type, I might actually start coming up with conspiracy theories.

But it was just a bad day with shittier than usual luck.

 

And I'm talking about human nature and patterns of behaviour.

Your allegorical reasoning isn't so great, is it?

Putin is a low class thug.

He will always respond to threats as if he's in some trashy back alley knife fight.

He won't use a weapon that will backfire and burn his face off if he can get some other thugs to fight for him.

Putin has always reminded me of Littlefinger from Game of Thrones.

He needs the Arya Stark treatment.

Fast and silent.

 Yikes. Well I'm glad you're not in charge, lol 

 Why ? lol

We have a thug here who is a threat to the rest of the world.

Why is he any different from Bin Laden or Sadam Hussein?

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