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Lenalee said: 

At this point she's gone as far as to log into his Discord and pretend to be him confessing to get him in trouble. 

If it's a real problem with raping and beating on the regular, or if it's her not understanding something and taking it to this extreme, both outcomes would have me ready for divorce. Even before the raping/beating this shit's been a toxic story, and being separated is the most likely path towards Harm Reduction. 

Neither of them seem happy. 

 Post proof??

It's not my responsibility to prove his personal life to you if he wishes to keep it private. While I may be meddling I seldom leak things, at this point having just tried to say enough to show there's more than one story while planting my feet enough to have it not be swept under the rug from hers being so prolific with a duration behind it. It's also not hard to be biased after meeting them IRL when only one of them is coherent while the other one is literally out of control and yelling at the top of her lungs in public. 

The only real "proof" I have since Delora reading his convo with me could grant her just as much room to quote it as it having been her the entire time is BR's alias going back and forth between saying if it is or isn't him while one of them makes claims the other one doesn't believe later. This could just as easily be BR pretending it was her to avoid the proof of said confession but looking over the chat again has a lot of her hints being dropped in it, to such a point I started calling her out on it the second time she tried. If we're to believe past stories from them too then clearly they're "Just Trolling lolol, we don't really know their lives they just fuck with us for fun". 

I have text of the BR account claiming back-to-back to not be Delora and then that it was Delora, that's what I'm working with now. 

You don't have solid proof just a hunch that it could be her.

If it's br saying that he did something you're still as likely to say it must be her. You have a history of downplaying abuse when it's people you like. This wouldn't be a surprising take from you.

He outright said it twice and then she'd log on to say "Actually that was me", then he logs on again like "No it's not wtf!". She did it a minimum of two times and has only stopped from him taking the steps to log out of his account with a stronger password before handing it to her. 

My advice is they need divorce regardless of the rape/beating scenario, as regardless of if it's true or false it's shitty enough for one of them that they shouldn't have to stick through it. 

I also am prone to looking at the less popular view to see if it holds water, rather than just boarding the drama llama's bandwagon. There's always more than one side to a story and it pays to see what the unpopular perspective is as well before forming conclusions. 

 Deloras view isn't popular it's just concerning, you're taking BRs view because he's your friend and you've convinced yourself he's the only victim. Your argument about him taking money that was already meant to be bought for the shrooms doesn't even hold well. Its still stealing money from his wife and it's still him being a greedy little fuck concerned only about what it could give him. 

"I will admit that I did use 40$ to get shrooms. I thought the purported insights would make it worth it. It sure was a good experience and there were insights, but I do wish I didn't do it now because the conflict since then has not been worth it. I probably should have at least got her permission to get them even if I was gonna take them alone"

Even here he down plays it and refuses to call it stealing. He refused to acknowledge that he greedily took something for himself that was supposed to be an experience for both of them. 

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I mean delora is not very credible either lol

In fact, BR sounds more credible

Not that I take either side, but dont just blindly trust delora

Random rape accusations only when they have a fight are just as sus.

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Lenalee said: 
Lenalee said: 

At this point she's gone as far as to log into his Discord and pretend to be him confessing to get him in trouble. 

If it's a real problem with raping and beating on the regular, or if it's her not understanding something and taking it to this extreme, both outcomes would have me ready for divorce. Even before the raping/beating this shit's been a toxic story, and being separated is the most likely path towards Harm Reduction. 

Neither of them seem happy. 

 Post proof??

It's not my responsibility to prove his personal life to you if he wishes to keep it private. While I may be meddling I seldom leak things, at this point having just tried to say enough to show there's more than one story while planting my feet enough to have it not be swept under the rug from hers being so prolific with a duration behind it. It's also not hard to be biased after meeting them IRL when only one of them is coherent while the other one is literally out of control and yelling at the top of her lungs in public. 

The only real "proof" I have since Delora reading his convo with me could grant her just as much room to quote it as it having been her the entire time is BR's alias going back and forth between saying if it is or isn't him while one of them makes claims the other one doesn't believe later. This could just as easily be BR pretending it was her to avoid the proof of said confession but looking over the chat again has a lot of her hints being dropped in it, to such a point I started calling her out on it the second time she tried. If we're to believe past stories from them too then clearly they're "Just Trolling lolol, we don't really know their lives they just fuck with us for fun". 

I have text of the BR account claiming back-to-back to not be Delora and then that it was Delora, that's what I'm working with now. 

You don't have solid proof just a hunch that it could be her.

At this point it'd take very blatant bias in her direction to believe it's been him for 100% of what was sent to me on Discord. 

Either way I'm keeping the point as neutral here as I have in DMs: They need the divorce regardless of which story is true. Whether he did or didn't do these assaults it spells out very bad things. 

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Lenalee said: 

Deloras view isn't popular it's just concerning

It's a drama bomb, which makes it popular. It also being the only perspective for a while made it skew here regardless of their opinion of her. 

It got attention, that's what I'm meaning by popularity. I probably should have used a word like magnetism. 

You're taking BRs view because he's your friend and you've convinced yourself he's the only victim.

I'm presenting that regardless of which one was right that they need to separate, and otherwise when talking to who I thought was BR I gave a very lengthy talk about how bad rape is and what constitutes it only to later learn it was her framing his confession. 

At this point after all of Delora's past and present behaviors alongside this situation I'm stuck going with credibility while advising the same thing regardless of who's right: They should get a divorce. 

This has been my advice for a while now but as it keeps escalating I keep repeating it. It's scary to think of where it might go after this. 

Your argument about him taking money that was already meant to be bought for the shrooms doesn't even hold well. Its still stealing money from his wife and it's still him being a greedy little fuck concerned only about what it could give him. 

"I will admit that I did use 40$ to get shrooms. I thought the purported insights would make it worth it. It sure was a good experience and there were insights, but I do wish I didn't do it now because the conflict since then has not been worth it. I probably should have at least got her permission to get them even if I wasgonna take them alone"

Even here he down plays it and refuses to call it stealing. He refused to acknowledge that he greedily took something for himself that was supposed to be an experience for both of them. 

The shrooms point's pretty red herring, it has no bearing on if he does or doesn't commit assault and do rapey stuff. 

The $40.00 thing is a drop in the bucket next to the rest of this shit, arguably mutually exclusive beyond as another nail to hammer in for why the divorce could feel justified. 

In this case regardless of who's side anyone takes we're oddly unanimous as a forum so far that they ought to separate. 

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Lenalee said: 
Lenalee said: 
Lenalee said: 
Lenalee said: 

Not sure if I agree with this, even though shit seems like it gets super rocky for them both.

As far as I know it's the first serious adult relationship for the both of them, so instead of having past relationships to draw experience from, they're hashing it out in a marriage. That's not always a bad thing, I've known and known of some people who get married to their high school sweethearts and end up making that work permanently somehow.

 Honestly i don't think this one is going to work out very well. 

This is much worse than simple inexperience dude, it's been a saga of suffering. 

 Like your life has been? Remember the times you've threatened to kill yourself, or "attempted" for attention?

I'd take this over BR's life, that shit looks fucking rough. 

 Ah let's not pretend it's just BRs life that's rough. He's just as much been shitty to his wife and downplaying what's happened. You're biased as fuck when it's about people you like.

I figured saying I'd rather be me than Delora didn't require explaining, I wouldn't wish that persona on my worst enemy. 

Also someone needs to take his position for the sake of balance in lieu of proof, without my doing so people just default to hers. 

Buddy, you're biased as fuck because you're not even going about how he's downplaying the fact that he stole money from his wife to buy shrooms that that they had planned to take and experience together. Its literally all about him. He talks about talking to other women when he's angry with her and I'm pretty sure that falls under emotional cheating. He initiates sex and keeps it going after she's said no, that her body reacts and she stops fighting it to get it over with doesn't mean she's given consent it just means she's not fighting. 

We don't even know how much of what she's saying is real when she's both a chronic liar and an unreliable narrator. I've otherwise given 'the talk' to what I thought was BR but then it just turned out to be her so I don't even know anymore. 

He doesn't try to deceive so much, so he has more credibility to me. 

 He has tried to deceive in that he makes puppets and claims they aren't him until he messes up and finally admits to it.

Him and Delora'd do that together half the time, the other half him wanting an outlet to talk here over music and photography usually. The only deception of those accounts was him concealing who he is, the content was otherwise very obviously him. 

Palasalt wasn't just music and photography tho was it. He'd use puppets to agree with himself and then "roast" people while being pretty two-faced about. He is somewhat deceptive whether you want to admit that or not.

Do you remember how he lied about breaking her phone to look cool for the forum? He's literally just admitted to talking to other women when he's mad at his wife.

It happened once from what I've heard years back, and that was inspired from an argument where she said he couldn't find someone else other than her. He'd since never done it again and repeatedly beats himself up over it as justification for everything she's done since. 

 "Yes I'll admit, I've gotten mad at her and chatted up other girls online"

 

That he's told you about, because that is plural. The fact that he suddenly got jealous over her being in the same chat space as Tryp didn't make sense until he confessed that and even then if it were a one time thing from long ago it wouldn't have stoked the same jealousy.... unless he's projecting 

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In this case regardless of who's side anyone takes we're oddly unanimous as a forum so far that they ought to separate. 

 This is arguably the more salient point as regards anything to do with our involvement in this debacle.  (Even when we agree, we argue about how we agree.)

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Good said: 

I mean delora is not very credible either lol

In fact, BR sounds more credible

Not that I take either side, but dont just blindly trust delora

Random rape accusations only when they have a fight are just as sus.

 They weren't having a fight the last time she claimed it. She said she was experiencing sleep paralysis and he wouldn't stop. 

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Lenalee said: 

Deloras view isn't popular it's just concerning

It's a drama bomb, which makes it popular. It also being the only perspective for a while made it skew here regardless of their opinion of her. 

It got attention, that's what I'm meaning by popularity. I probably should have used a word like magnetism. 

You're taking BRs view because he's your friend and you've convinced yourself he's the only victim.

I'm presenting that regardless of which one was right that they need to separate, and otherwise when talking to who I thought was BR I gave a very lengthy talk about how bad rape is and what constitutes it only to later learn it was her framing his confession. 

At this point after all of Delora's past and present behaviors alongside this situation I'm stuck going with credibility while advising the same thing regardless of who's right: They should get a divorce. 

This has been my advice for a while now but as it keeps escalating I keep repeating it. It's scary to think of where it might go after this. 

Everyone, except maybe Tryp, agrees they should divorce. BR seems credible because he isn't talking about certain things and refuses to explain those things.

Many men in the conservative camp have been confused about rape in marriage and don't think that having sex with their wife when the wife doesn't want to or is unresponsive equals rape. 

Your argument about him taking money that was already meant to be bought for the shrooms doesn't even hold well. Its still stealing money from his wife and it's still him being a greedy little fuck concerned only about what it could give him. 

"I will admit that I did use 40$ to get shrooms. I thought the purported insights would make it worth it. It sure was a good experience and there were insights, but I do wish I didn't do it now because the conflict since then has not been worth it. I probably should have at least got her permission to get them even if I wasgonna take them alone"

Even here he down plays it and refuses to call it stealing. He refused to acknowledge that he greedily took something for himself that was supposed to be an experience for both of them. 

The shrooms point's pretty red herring, it has no bearing on if he does or doesn't commit assault and do rapey stuff. 

The $40.00 thing is a drop in the bucket next to the rest of this shit, arguably mutually exclusive beyond as another nail to hammer in for why the divorce could feel justified. 

In this case regardless of who's side anyone takes we're oddly unanimous as a forum so far that they ought to separate. 

 I'm saying that your bias keeps trying to have BRs actions minimized. That you minimize most of not all of BRs actions towards his wife as it not being that big a deal.

You've done this before, as I've said even when there's been evidence that the person in question is actually really fucking shitty, you defend them if it's someone you like and often look down on the female. 

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Lenalee said: 
Lenalee said: 
Lenalee said: 

Not sure if I agree with this, even though shit seems like it gets super rocky for them both.

As far as I know it's the first serious adult relationship for the both of them, so instead of having past relationships to draw experience from, they're hashing it out in a marriage. That's not always a bad thing, I've known and known of some people who get married to their high school sweethearts and end up making that work permanently somehow.

 Honestly i don't think this one is going to work out very well. 

This is much worse than simple inexperience dude, it's been a saga of suffering. 

 Like your life has been? Remember the times you've threatened to kill yourself, or "attempted" for attention?

I'd take this over BR's life, that shit looks fucking rough. 

 Ah let's not pretend it's just BRs life that's rough. He's just as much been shitty to his wife and downplaying what's happened. You're biased as fuck when it's about people you like.

I figured saying I'd rather be me than Delora didn't require explaining, I wouldn't wish that persona on my worst enemy. 

Also someone needs to take his position for the sake of balance in lieu of proof, without my doing so people just default to hers. 

Buddy, you're biased as fuck because you're not even going about how he's downplaying the fact that he stole money from his wife to buy shrooms that that they had planned to take and experience together. Its literally all about him. He talks about talking to other women when he's angry with her and I'm pretty sure that falls under emotional cheating. He initiates sex and keeps it going after she's said no, that her body reacts and she stops fighting it to get it over with doesn't mean she's given consent it just means she's not fighting. 

We don't even know how much of what she's saying is real when she's both a chronic liar and an unreliable narrator. I've otherwise given 'the talk' to what I thought was BR but then it just turned out to be her so I don't even know anymore. 

He doesn't try to deceive so much, so he has more credibility to me. 

 I'm not a chronic liar

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Good said: 

I mean delora is not very credible either lol

In fact, BR sounds more credible

Not that I take either side, but dont just blindly trust delora

Random rape accusations only when they have a fight are just as sus.

 but how do u not address them when they're made? if someone accused you of rape amongst some other more minor infractions, would you not address the rape thing first, if not only?

it's like cs deciding to pursue a relationship with chapo or trip after what they said she did to/around her child. makes it obvious they're most likely telling the truth

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