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scarlett95 said: 

tc said:

What like MBTI?

That shit's just self-assessment, only yielding how we see ourselves. At most it's useful for relative comparisons between that phenomenon as opposed to any legitimacy within the combinations that go outside of that.

 some people are better than others at self reflection/assessment.

Doesn't matter, it reflects a more than glaring issue with the test. The results are easily and readily steerable, even if you don't see yourself doing it. 

but either way I'm interested in how you see youself.

I dunno maybe, I'll open the questionnaire in another tab at least and maybe it'll get itself done. 

I'm starting to see your problem here being as if over black and white absolutes, I never said 'truly' I'm speaking relatively.

 well you did say truly, but I think this is a good observation in general. I have an issue with the absolutes which is why my points are generally just disagreeing with the black and white stuff. it's a case by case thing and no one here has all the answers

At the same time we can still compare and contrast relatively, rather than lumping it all into one presumption. 

I've already said it makes them weaker versus the reality, but for the sake of argument what benefit do you see in going down the flagrantly ignorant path?

What benefit is there in allowing weakness without it being for reasons of further strength?

you seem to have almost a doomsday prepper attitude to this stuff. 

Odd, I don't think I'm taking that extreme of a stance. I'm just expressing that when I'm exposed to stuff like this that I end up caring, which isn't that weird or unique. 

do you not see innocence as worth protecting?

Ew wtf no, I mean I'm not going to go to the other extreme and expose people to everything but people just preserve innocence usually out of some need to feel powerful and in control. 

do you value harsh realities over relavitely harmless emotional padding?

I prefer just enough reality to have them prepared for when it gets harsh. Even if they have a misguided view there are paths within that that are more prepared for the reality than others. 

seems like a pretty miserable way to be, but you did say that life is suffering so perhaps those questions have already been answered

Are you saying you'd rather not know truths if it makes you happier? 

tc said:

prefer just enough reality to have them prepared for when it gets harsh

 what is this if not doom prepping, not that I'm saying it's necessarily a bad idea. 

people just preserve innocence usually out of some need to feel powerful and in control.

 hmm idk about usually, perhaps. are you referencing personal experience or statistics?

I'm not a fan of infantalisation but desensitisation/loss of innocence can be a painful, scary and extended experience. I don't see any of us as having the right to take it away from someone else if they want to keep it, and especially if we care about them then wanting to help them avoid suffering seems a natural thing

the question is really if their willful ignorance is causing more harm and suffering long term, which is not a straightforward question and I wouldn't know how to handle it anyway, well probably still avoiding interfering with their autonomy as I generally do. 

Are you saying you'd rather not know truths if it makes you happier?

 personally? I guess it depends on the truth, I'm not ruling out the possibility that there may exist a truth that I would rather not know. but in general I'm fairly confident in my ability to remain happy regardless. suffering often seems to be a metter of perspective 

scarlett95 said: 

tc said:

prefer just enough reality to have them prepared for when it gets harsh

 what is this if not doom prepping, not that I'm saying it's necessarily a bad idea. 

That you'd see someone going for a more grounded worldview as 'doom prepping' is very telling. I'm seeing this more from a mental wellness perspective. 

people just preserve innocence usually out of some need to feel powerful and in control.

hmm idk about usually, perhaps. are you referencing personal experience or statistics?

More so demographics. 

I'm not a fan of infantalisation but desensitisation/loss of innocence can be a painful, scary and extended experience. I don't see any of us as having the right to take it away from someone else if they want to keep it, and especially if we care about them then wanting to help them avoid suffering seems a natural thing

They don't normally ask to be left innocent, that's usually a byproduct of their environment. 

I also don't see being on a more grounded path as 'suffering' personally, and you make it sound like it'd be happening forcefully rather than gradually or naturally. Even just having exposure to discussions related to their less composed areas can usually help it mature into something more formidable, sort of like what we're seeing Turquie going through over Jesus stuff right now. 

That you'd see someone going for a more grounded worldview as 'doom prepping' is very telling. I'm seeing this more from a mental wellness perspective.

 I don't see a "prefering just enough reality to have them prepared for when it gets harsh" as on the same level of extremeness as like bunker dweller doom prepping, but it is preparing for a 'doom' of some sort. I guess it depends how you think of doom

They don't normally ask to be left innocent, that's usually a byproduct of their environment.

I also don't see being on a more grounded path as 'suffering' personally, and you make it sound like it'd be happening forcefully rather than gradually or naturally. Even just having exposure to discussions related to their less composed areas can usually help it mature into something more formidable, sort of like what we're seeing Turquie going through over Jesus stuff right now.

you did say that life is suffering, was that not a personal statement? and yeah I was talking about forcefully, I've been saying that we shouldn't force it on anyone. not that there aren't gentle ways of helping people we care about face harsh relaities if that's something they need to do. just that it's not up to us to decide what they need to do if they don't want to do it

anyway this whole thing is starting to seem like extended poor communication, and I'm not great at communication at the best of times. I think I'll leave it there 

scarlett95 said: 

 

They don't normally ask to be left innocent, that's usually a byproduct of their environment.

I also don't see being on a more grounded path as 'suffering' personally, and you make it sound like it'd be happening forcefully rather than gradually or naturally. Even just having exposure to discussions related to their less composed areas can usually help it mature into something more formidable, sort of like what we're seeing Turquie going through over Jesus stuff right now.

you did say that life is suffering, was that not a personal statement?

It's a tenant a lot of faiths believe in for one reason or another, and phrases such as 'The Human Condition' tend to lend to the same ideas. 

I've seen it as fairly understood that life is suffering, that's why people do so much to cope with life. 

and yeah I was talking about forcefully, I've been saying that we shouldn't force it on anyone.

I haven't been saying it should be forced, just exposed, and this has on my end otherwise been more about sorting out which life paths show better defenses. 

not that there aren't gentle ways of helping people we care about face harsh relaities if that's something they need to do.

There are if you take it towards a more scholarly route, like reading up on Philosophy or a Science. 

just that it's not up to us to decide what they need to do if they don't want to do it

It's up to us if we feel like discussing such things with them, and it's up to them for how they respond to that happening. 

I see it as worth questioning while otherwise offering comparisons. 

condensed version of this discussion

scarlet: interesting that you see things this way

turncoat: the fact that you find that interesting is interesting to me

x5

Pfft.

I also find the thought that some sheep is tacitly giving some imaginary Sky Daddy permission to pull their strings and mine to be infuriating.

Fuck that. Fucking narcissistic shitbag.

I don't put up with that behaviour in humans, and I certainly would not put up with it in some being who's supposed to be 'better' than humans.

And I certainly don't believe in so-called 'fate.'

Friedrich said: 

There is no wisdom or meaning in suffering. 

 This I disagree with.

Suffering often does make people smarter, if not stronger.

But this is not permission for ppl or gods or w/e to be sadistic.

It's just an encouragement for people to admit that the world is harsh and most other ppl don't give any actual fucks about anything besides themselves.

Life feeds on life.

It's up to the sufferer to take charge of their own healing bc nobody else will.

Xena said: 

And I certainly don't believe in so-called 'fate.' 

What's wrong with the idea of fate? 

I believe in it, I just don't think we as humans are in a position to predict it reliably beyond pattern recognition. 

fate deserves its own thread but why do you believe in it ? 

no scrap that

define it first if you will?