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scarlett95 said: 

Turncoat said:

I'd say it is, they're coping with the pain of life by personifying it. They won't grow stronger that way they'll only end up externalizing the blame, stunting themselves over a potential lesson that later in life could end up being detrimental to them should they abandon their faith.

The habit of externalizing blame in general's an easy way to not introspect, it's not the way to go. Rather than questioning why they have these feelings they're acting like the greater world has a plan, and that they don't need to think about it really, or even go as far as to blame something else entirely (like Satan) for everything that goes wrong in their lives rather than face self-correction.

Naturally if you have a dramatic shift in your framework for reality then the ways you made sense of things before are going to fail you.

That strongly depends on the foundation of that faith, very strongly. If they followed a life path that was otherwise more worldly they're less likely to reflect the same damages and potential for contingent self-ruin. 

This is like asking if you should just let children behave like children forever or not. 

You can't expect people to do anything that misaligns with their theories and beliefs ahead of time in a situation like that tho

But I can judge the system they're adhering to for what it's doing to groups of people, especially when compared to other faiths. 

I mean I also think it's not best practice and they're incorrect, but it's presumptive to say they all those relying on faith are maladaptive and unhealthy.

I didn't say all those relying on faith, I said all those falling into the pattern related to the OP. 

Tryp said: 

Thoughts like that act as a buffer to ward off the realization that pain and suffering come seemingly arbitrarily. It's a good indication of how much emotional padding a person needs to function comfortably.

 Some are pretty accepting of pain because they buffer it that way, and if they are functioning well like that then who cares.

I mean if you're going to take the "Whatever, nothing matters" angle then who cares about anything? 

I'll go as far otherwise to say that I care about this sort of thing, it's maladaptive and I wouldn't call it 'functioning' well beyond the room to compare it to bigger problems. 

Turncoat said:

That strongly depends on the foundation of that faith, very strongly. If they followed a life path that was otherwise more worldly they're less likely to reflect the same damages and potential for contingent self-ruin.

 Yes the degree to which they will fail you depends on the degree to which your framework/lifestyle shifts

Turncoat said:

I didn't say all those relying on faith, I said all those falling into the pattern related to the OP.

 I suppose I correlate faith and fate seeing to believe in the latter takes the former.

This is like asking if you should just let children behave like children forever or not.

I'll go as far otherwise to say that I care about this sort of thing, it's maladaptive and I wouldn't call it 'functioning' well beyond the room to compare it to bigger problems.

 Why do you care? Is it like... A well intentioned personal care or more detached? If you know what I mean

I mean if you're going to take the "Whatever, nothing matters" angle then who cares about anything?

 What I mean is that if they're functional and content and not negatively impacting me then they don't seem like they're in need of someone to care about them in that regard, and it's none of my business. Ofc that's different if, like in xad's case, it's someone close to you and they are not coping well

scarlett95 said: 

Turncoat said:

That strongly depends on the foundation of that faith, very strongly. If they followed a life path that was otherwise more worldly they're less likely to reflect the same damages and potential for contingent self-ruin.

 Yes the degree to which they will fail you depends on the degree to which your framework/lifestyle shifts

I'd go further and say it's more related to how far apart their starting point is from the jarring event. 

Someone who was raised with celebrations like Dia De Los Muertos for example is liable to have a different response to the death and dying phenomenon when compared to a faith where some dude's making all the choices for you. 

A lot of faiths don't aim to detach from the world, but rather overlay concepts on top of it like Reincarnation or Nature themes. This sort might feel bad when their faith falters but not nearly to the same degree as Christianity or Scientology or something. 

Turncoat said:

I didn't say all those relying on faith, I said all those falling into the pattern related to the OP.

 I suppose I correlate faith and fate seeing to believe in the latter takes the former.

Determinism can be reasoned through as a matter of logic rather than story time, as can a lot of other philosophical principles. While at the end of the day it still takes faith to prescribe to it it's worth noting when it's a mature faith versus a sheltered one for it's room to resist the problem areas their lives will inevitably shine on them. 

I'll go as far otherwise to say that I care about this sort of thing, it's maladaptive and I wouldn't call it 'functioning' well beyond the room to compare it to bigger problems.

 Why do you care? Is it like... A well intentioned personal care or more detached? If you know what I mean

I have to see them living like that and on some level aim to relate to it. It's like mildly feeling myself going through it which gives the room to project my feelings upon it. 

Empathy bruh. 

I mean if you're going to take the "Whatever, nothing matters" angle then who cares about anything?

 What I mean is that if they're functional and content and not negatively impacting me then they don't seem like they're in need of someone to care about them in that regard, and it's none of my business.

But I'd argue they are not functional nor truly content, at most sated for the moment over sheltering similar to how socially unadjusted you might expect your average home schooler to be. 

Ofc that's different if, like in xad's case, it's someone close to you and they are not coping well

I just see it as burying the problem with phrases akin to 'That's Life'. It's worth pondering on why that is life and why it has that kind of impact on someone rather than just being like 'Eh whadayagonnado?'

turncoat said:

Empathy bruh.

 what's your personality type? do you experience this a lot? with matters in this theme or otherwise? were you raised religious?

But I'd argue they are not functional nor truly content, at most sated for the moment over sheltering similar to how socially unadjusted you might expect your average home schooler to be.

 is anyone ever truly content? that seems like a hard thing to prove either way, and if it quacks like a duck and looks like a duck it probably is a duck. or close enough to a duck anyway... let's not dig into that metaphor too much because a duck toy with a voice box does those things but doesn't function as a duck... you know what I mean tho

sheltered yes which agreed is detrimental when/if the person is exposed to the real world and left to cope alone. but idk, I know/have known many faithful people who've existed in their bubble for their entire lives and quacked like relatively happy ducks.

I just see it as burying the problem with phrases akin to 'That's Life'. It's worth pondering on why that is life and why it has that kind of impact on someone rather than just being like 'Eh whadayagonnado?'

I suppose so, it probably depends what it is we're pondering exactly. if it's wheather it's unhealthy to process pain by  ascribing meaning to it I'm still not convinced it's inherently unhealthy. probably depends on what meaning you ascribe, among other factors

I still haven't heard much of an argument for how it'd be maladaptive, I mean I think I get your position as it relates to developing a state that's resilient, but it isn't clear that failing to ascribe meaning isn't just an unnecessary compounding of suffering

scarlett95 said: 

Some are pretty accepting of pain because they buffer it that way, and if they are functioning well like that then who cares.

That depends. If it's someone I see potential in, I'd like to help them not avoid unpleasant realities, but rather overcome them in good shape. with most people I support their way of thinking if it seems to be helping them.

Tryp said: 

scarlett95 said: 

Some are pretty accepting of pain because they buffer it that way, and if they are functioning well like that then who cares.

That depends. If it's someone I see potential in, I'd like to help them not avoid unpleasant realities, but rather overcome them in good shape. with most people I support their way of thinking if it seems to be helping them.

Translation: Sometimes it's worth helping someone, but most of the time it's too much work. 

scarlett95 said: 

turncoat said:

Empathy bruh.

 what's your personality type? do you experience this a lot? with matters in this theme or otherwise? were you raised religious?

What like MBTI? 

That shit's just self-assessment, only yielding how we see ourselves. At most it's useful for relative comparisons between that phenomenon as opposed to any legitimacy within the combinations that go outside of that. 

But I'd argue they are not functional nor truly content, at most sated for the moment over sheltering similar to how socially unadjusted you might expect your average home schooler to be.

is anyone ever truly content?

I'm starting to see your problem here being as if over black and white absolutes, I never said 'truly' I'm speaking relatively. 

Of course people will not be content, that's why human-based faiths preach the journey towards peace at all, but how they go about it can produce very different coping styles with varying degrees of success, and as such I feel as if life approaches can be put to a sort of hierarchy for how well they do or don't work when compared to each other. 

sheltered yes which agreed is detrimental when/if the person is exposed to the real world and left to cope alone. but idk, I know/have known many faithful people who've existed in their bubble for their entire lives and quacked like relatively happy ducks.

So your point here is that sheltered people might not reach a point of conflict, so it's better off to leave them vulnerable? 

Come on now, if they're already at the point of complaining then they're liable to hit snags and setbacks. They'd need to practically be Cult-levels of rebuking outside opinion to not be pushed by it, which I'd go even further to say is not a healthy approach based on 70s data. 

I just see it as burying the problem with phrases akin to 'That's Life'. It's worth pondering on why that is life and why it has that kind of impact on someone rather than just being like 'Eh whadayagonnado?'

I suppose so, it probably depends what it is we're pondering exactly. if it's wheather it's unhealthy to process pain by  ascribing meaning to it I'm still not convinced it's inherently unhealthy. probably depends on what meaning you ascribe, among other factors

So you're saying it'd be better to "just not think about it"? 

I disagree, at most conceding that at points "Maybe now's not the right time" from present overstimulation, but beyond that the acquisition of knowledge is a path to personal power and autonomy. 

I still haven't heard much of an argument for how it'd be maladaptive, I mean I think I get your position as it relates to developing a state that's resilient, but it isn't clear that failing to ascribe meaning isn't just an unnecessary compounding of suffering

I've already said it makes them weaker versus the reality, but for the sake of argument what benefit do you see in going down the flagrantly ignorant path?

What benefit is there in allowing weakness without it being for reasons of further strength? 

Turncoat said: 

Tryp said: 

scarlett95 said: 

Some are pretty accepting of pain because they buffer it that way, and if they are functioning well like that then who cares.

That depends. If it's someone I see potential in, I'd like to help them not avoid unpleasant realities, but rather overcome them in good shape. with most people I support their way of thinking if it seems to be helping them.

Translation: Sometimes it's worth helping someone, but most of the time it's too much work. 

I'm pretty selfish with my time and energy. I don't mind that sort of thing here, but that's because I choose to be here.

Tryp said: 

It's a good indication of how much emotional padding a person needs to function comfortably.

Sure, it's emotional padding, but with how many things are, this statement seems a bit like arbitrary self-congratulations. lol

Turncoat said: 

Tryp said: 

scarlett95 said: 

Some are pretty accepting of pain because they buffer it that way, and if they are functioning well like that then who cares.

That depends. If it's someone I see potential in, I'd like to help them not avoid unpleasant realities, but rather overcome them in good shape. with most people I support their way of thinking if it seems to be helping them.

Translation: Sometimes it's worth helping someone, but most of the time it's too much work. 

 I basically agree with this, although worth isnt the word I'd use. 

tc said:

What like MBTI?

That shit's just self-assessment, only yielding how we see ourselves. At most it's useful for relative comparisons between that phenomenon as opposed to any legitimacy within the combinations that go outside of that.

 some people are better than others at self reflection/assessment. but either way I'm interested in how you see youself.

I'm starting to see your problem here being as if over black and white absolutes, I never said 'truly' I'm speaking relatively.

 well you did say truly, but I think this is a good observation in general. I have an issue with the absolutes which is why my points are generally just disagreeing with the black and white stuff. it's a case by case thing and no one here has all the answers

So you're saying it'd be better to "just not think about it"?

I disagree, at most conceding that at points "Maybe now's not the right time" from present overstimulation, but beyond that the acquisition of knowledge is a path to personal power and autonomy.

 no I'm not saying that, I'm saying I'm not convinced it's inherently unhealthy, and that it's a complex issue.

I've already said it makes them weaker versus the reality, but for the sake of argument what benefit do you see in going down the flagrantly ignorant path?

What benefit is there in allowing weakness without it being for reasons of further strength?

 you seem to have almost a doomsday prepper attitude to this stuff. do you not see innocence as worth protecting?

do you value harsh realities over relavitely harmless emotional padding?

seems like a pretty miserable way to be, but you did say that life is suffering so perhaps those questions have already been answered