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"Everything happens for a reason"


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Someone close to me lost their mother recently. They have been coping pretty badly, I held my tongue when they had a conversation with a friend of mine about the meaning of suffering. They both see suffering and pain as having a purpose in the sense that everything happens for a reason. I let them think this but it deeply annoyed me because meaning and purpose are conflated and while giving meaning to your pain is fine, it seems disingenuous and unhealthy to fit suffering into a preordained structure where you had to endure the pain to learn a lesson which you were meant to learn all along. It's how I think they see it anyways. 

SO unhealthy. Thoughts? 

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Yet another expression of humans trying to wrestle for a sense of order out of the chaos, ranging from as small as naming something and as large as assuming everything about our world was consciously designed on purpose. 

Everything does happen for a reason, Deterministically speaking, but that moreso underlies cause and effect over a chain of events rather than any intent of design or purpose. It must be over them needing to feel like they can direct what they're feeling at something, rather than simply sitting with it. 

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It seems pretty trivial to me, if someone needs to make sense of their pain by seeing it as needed and purposeful then who cares really. I mean is it actually unhealthy or do you just not like it?

it's easy to say logically that other events could have taught the same lessons, and ofc the lessons were never fated to be learned, but if the person has experienced the pain either way, and learnt from it, then in a sense they did have to experience said pain to learn said lesson


are you saying it's unhealthy because you think they are going to seek out pain or something? most people try to avoid pain, ime especially the people who try to justify things as being fateful


I can understand it annoying you tho, I mean I couldn't respect someone close to me in the same way if they believed in fate type shit

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I think that unless literal fate is a predetermined real thing, they are wrong.

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It seems pretty trivial to me, if someone needs to make sense of their pain by seeing it as needed and purposeful then who cares really. I mean is it actually unhealthy or do you just not like it?

I'd say it is, they're coping with the pain of life by personifying it. They won't grow stronger that way they'll only end up externalizing the blame, stunting themselves over a potential lesson that later in life could end up being detrimental to them should they abandon their faith. 

The habit of externalizing blame in general's an easy way to not introspect, it's not the way to go. Rather than questioning why they have these feelings they're acting like the greater world has a plan, and that they don't need to think about it really, or even go as far as to blame something else entirely (like Satan) for everything that goes wrong in their lives rather than face self-correction. 

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last edit on 10/31/2021 1:17:03 PM
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Thoughts like that act as a buffer to ward off the realization that pain and suffering come seemingly arbitrarily. It's a good indication of how much emotional padding a person needs to function comfortably.

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There is no wisdom or meaning in suffering. 

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There is no wisdom or meaning in suffering. 

Life is suffering and there's wisdom to be gained from living. 

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Suck it.

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Turncoat said:
I'd say it is, they're coping with the pain of life by personifying it. They won't grow stronger that way they'll only end up externalizing the blame, stunting themselves over a potential lesson that later in life could end up being detrimental to them should they abandon their faith.

The habit of externalizing blame in general's an easy way to not introspect, it's not the way to go. Rather than questioning why they have these feelings they're acting like the greater world has a plan, and that they don't need to think about it really, or even go as far as to blame something else entirely (like Satan) for everything that goes wrong in their lives rather than face self-correction.

Naturally if you have a dramatic shift in your framework for reality then the ways you made sense of things before are going to fail you. You can't expect people to do anything that misaligns with their theories and beliefs ahead of time in a situation like that tho

I mean I also think it's not best practice and they're incorrect, but it's presumptive to say they all those relying on faith are maladaptive and unhealthy.

Tryp said: 

Thoughts like that act as a buffer to ward off the realization that pain and suffering come seemingly arbitrarily. It's a good indication of how much emotional padding a person needs to function comfortably.

 Some are pretty accepting of pain because they buffer it that way, and if they are functioning well like that then who cares.

 

I think some things are being conflated here that shouldn't necessarily be, perhaps something akin to nihilism and emotional robustness/maturity.

 

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