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Spatial Mind said: 

Turncoat said: 

Spatial Mind said: 

 To make it easier for you. I never bought flowers or gave them to anyone in my life. I don't believe in it.

Considering how much you've perverted the symbol of something as innocent as flowers I don't blame you.

I never did such a thing. 

It's precisely what you've done and it's been illustrated across this topic. 

You don't strike me as confident enough anyway, considering how many justifications you carry over how they're just 'gold diggers' who want to 'use you' and all that. 

I never said anything of the sort. Ever.

I mean... you kinda have when you've rambled about your dating history while otherwise alluding to it in 'what women want' discussions. 

As for being rejected in my days. I've often stated that rejection is a part of manhood.

Then you must be quite manly amirite? 

You thought I did and decided to gloat about how wonder it's been for you.

I'm just going with what you give me. 🤷

Of course. With your usual twist.

I mean you're free to correct how it looks after the fact. 

( I still think you're full of shit )

Starting to sound like Envy, you can't even believe I've been given flowers. 

Why would it sound like envy when I gave you a reason why I can't imagine it ? 

The idea that I get flowers and you don't seems to grind at you, you even thought it was initially me bragging rather than just talking about how nice flowers are as a gesture. 

It's not that weird to receive flowers dude, I got them for doing theater productions and people I've dated have been the sorts of people who want to spread beauty around (plus got a mild kick out of the gender norm reversal). 

Well I gift other things, and I'm not worried about being gifted things.

Sounds more like you've become accustomed to not getting gifts. 

I don't worry about being gifted things either, it just happens, and it's really nice of them to do so. 

If all it took were flowers, I'd buy them all the time and maybe save a bundle.

You really have a thing about flowers...

lol Okay, if you say so.

Kill the Flowers ! All of them !

Mask it with absurdist sarcasm all you want, I find this path of yours interesting. At least four people here seem to have a differing opinion on the subject, and as it's dug into further you begin to make more and more sense. 

Symbols give people so much room to add meaning onto them, similar to the room people have to personify objects. 

Here's a challenge for you TC: Find one single thing about something SpatialMind says that you wholeheartedly agree with. I'll give you 10$ if you can do that.

Turncoat said: 

Spatial Mind said: 

In truth I wouldn't give "a friend" flowers, because that would/could be misleading and do more damage than good.

If you expect the flowers to only be about sex, then yeah, it's going to seem weird to people who are used to expecting that sort of reasoning from you. 

I'd totally expect random out of the blue flowers to be about sex. Or rather a symbol of being a member who partakes in sex. 

Oh, that's, I feel sorry for those who'll give you flowers out of the kindness of their heart solely. 

Would you go as far as to say you'd feel misled by being given flowers when they don't want to bang? Would that make it their fault? 

lol. Bro, I never received flowers and never will. In the event someone gives me flowers I'll ask about it.

What I say about men is true. 

If the sex isn't good it's not going to work out for either party. Still I can see how someone in a body cast might appreciate a pot of daisies on the window sill with a stack of cards and helium balloons. 

You really have a thing about sex, don't you..?

As a matter of fact, if the sex isn't good, it's really not going to work out. Both parties will desire others while being shackled. It's the ugly truth.

This thread is geared toward romantic relationships by the way. When Men give a woman flowers, it's a strategy, because he wants to be more than friends. Of course it's a novelty approach and not really required to make it to 3rd base.  

Flowers are just a tool, it's all about the intent behind it. 

It's more like an ice breaker wrapped within a considerate gesture of beauty, but as it can be for putting makeup on a pig it's won't always make up for their being a pig come the end of the day. 

When you're sitting there devising 'strategies' you're already making it that much less genuine. 

By your logic, it's disingenuous to give flowers to someone you want to form a romantic and sexual bond with. That Flowers are just to seal friendships, and a man devising strategies to land a date is inherently bad behavior.

I tend to try to be friends with whoever I'm dating, so the two go hand-in-hand, but that's not really my point solely. 

It's just a nice thing to do, like adding a ribbon to a present. It enhances wherever it's accompanying, but sometimes that enhancement on it's own isn't enough. 

Good for you. I don't see anything worth debating here, and still by your logic it's disingenuous to give flowers to someone you want to form a romantic and sexual bond with, that Flowers are just to seal friendships, and a man devising strategies to land a date is inherently bad behavior. 

When a man plans out how he's going to approach a woman, this doesn't mean he won't be friendly if she gives it up to him. 

I talked about this a number of times, but what defines a creep, is if she's attracted to him or not plus her reaction.

This is just incel bitterness, you're completely negating how attraction forms in the first place. 

No it's facts. If she's attracted to the guy he'll succeed, but if she's not attracted to him, in some cases a harassment claim can be filed. In this model the attractive and unattractive did the exact same thing.

Haven't you ever questioned why gay dudes tend to have more luck grabbing women's chests or spanking them as they pass by at parties than their straight counterparts, on average? It's because they aren't seen as a thirsty threat, immediately upping how friendly they seem by a ton. Being a friend is a way to be disarming to someone, and flowers can be disarming through a similar vein. 

The woman's perception. 

And no I'm not arguing that a guy should be able to touch any random woman

If not his new creep label "might" come from her, some women are cooler than others. 

You seriously sound bitter about the word 'creep', it's creeping into your language. 

Yeah I don't particularly like the word. What said before your response is sound.

In my personal experience none of my girls ever cared about flowers.

In mine it's been a good gesture every time, both giving and receiving. 😉

Flowers are just a tool, it's the intent behind them that counts. 

If someone gave me flowers I might appreciate that come to think of it. I'd surely laugh. 

Yeah, flowers feel good and they're simple, but again they're a tool. 

If someone for example only bought flowers as a way of saying "Sorry" to someone, the flowers are going to start to acquire a different meaning once there's enough to fill a garden. 

In general a straight man wouldn't give flowers to a member of the same gender as an apology. In this case it's more likely a man would give a woman flowers as an apology. Like when she's mad at him and hot giving it up anymore lol. 

My point is moreover flowers being a symbol, and symbols have a lot of power based on how they're used. 

Still, very telling that you had to turn 'apology' into more mating ideas. I'd venture that the reason why the women you find are probably 'gold digging' as you'd put it is over a mutual sense of socializing being transactional, a series of tradeoffs. 

LeggaLeggaLegga said: 

Here's a challenge for you TC: Find one single thing about something SpatialMind says that you wholeheartedly agree with. I'll give you 10$ if you can do that.

Like, across the entirety of having ever known him? 

We've had similar opinions over Edvard a few times. 

No offence, but to straight people, a man giving another man flowers for any reason is comedic. I'm a manly man, I wouldn't send flowers to my boys to show appreciation, and there really isn't anything wrong with that. A flower is just a plant that withers away, and it's good for business to give them meanings. On another planet, the flower might not have the same use case.

If people want to gift flowers for whatever reason that's none of my concern. I'm indifferent to that.

It's also important to note. Flower sales spike once a year, for Valentines days. Now I understand some people buy them to make the broken hearted feel better about their fallout, but the flower itself would've been better coming from their heartthrob.

 

What you call a dick in one hand could be seen as 'brazen honesty' in another, it really depends on who's looking.

Nope. You've been disloyal in the past, you were still a mod in Luna's SC while you were the #1 contributor to her lolcow thread in Kiwifarms, a site dedicated to making fun of real people based on how they look or whatever shortcoming they have. A betrayal. As it turned out Luna did catfish, so you have the Kiwi's ( thousands of people who get off on bullying ) going off on some strange young woman. I forgot her name. 

You also took everyone you can find with the same last name as me in my city and posted all of the phone numbers in SC, which included family businesses linked to me. Bruh, yes you're a dick.

You enjoy picking on the mentally ill these days, especially if they are in a spiritual crisis, hence your avatar, and for some reason you don't talk to Feathers without any explanation.

You're the only one running around calling me an incel/woman hater, meanwhile I treat our comrade women better than you do. I get along with all of them, you don't. This is a major fact.

You say you're honest, but I see you as a compulsive liar and very untrustworthy. You left me no choice in all honesty. What else am I supposed to think with your track record ?

In this life it's better to be yourself rather than playing some 'strategy', all the while seeking out mutual company who's bound to understand where you're coming from.

 
Just because a guy planned out his approach, doesn't mean he isn't being himself. Also, while we're in relationships, we make changes to ourselves, kick certain habits. We are beings of change. If a man makes changes to be more accommodating that's honorable. Some people don't bother doing that which can be inconsiderate, depending.

"Netflix and Chill" can be romantic if you actually care about what the other person thinks, rather than just a waiting room situation for sex. If you're just doing all of these gestures for a little nookie you might as well just hire a prostitute, at least that'd be a cut and dry transaction where you don't have to bother to learn anything more than the script you'll both be following.

That's if, but it isn't the case with me as you make it.

Over the years what I have to say about my personal relationships hasn't changed. I'm not promiscuous, I banged 6 or 7 people in my entire life and passed on countless opportunities to hook up with other women because of that. Yes my perception on romantic relationships seem very bleak and with good reason, but in truth I've been a nice catch for my ladies. I get along with half of them, the others are MIA.

LeggaLeggaLegga said: 

Here's a challenge for you TC: Find one single thing about something SpatialMind says that you wholeheartedly agree with. I'll give you 10$ if you can do that.

 Isn't it interesting how TC persist to belittle me in some way without any real substance ? 

Spatial Mind said: 

If the sex isn't good it's not going to work out for either party. Still I can see how someone in a body cast might appreciate a pot of daisies on the window sill with a stack of cards and helium balloons. 

You really have a thing about sex, don't you..?

As a matter of fact, if the sex isn't good, it's really not going to work out. Both parties will desire others while being shackled. It's the ugly truth.

What does it take for the sex to be good? 

This thread is geared toward romantic relationships by the way. When Men give a woman flowers, it's a strategy, because he wants to be more than friends. Of course it's a novelty approach and not really required to make it to 3rd base.  

Flowers are just a tool, it's all about the intent behind it. 

It's more like an ice breaker wrapped within a considerate gesture of beauty, but as it can be for putting makeup on a pig it's won't always make up for their being a pig come the end of the day. 

When you're sitting there devising 'strategies' you're already making it that much less genuine. 

By your logic, it's disingenuous to give flowers to someone you want to form a romantic and sexual bond with. That Flowers are just to seal friendships, and a man devising strategies to land a date is inherently bad behavior.

I tend to try to be friends with whoever I'm dating, so the two go hand-in-hand, but that's not really my point solely. 

It's just a nice thing to do, like adding a ribbon to a present. It enhances wherever it's accompanying, but sometimes that enhancement on it's own isn't enough. 

Good for you. I don't see anything worth debating here, and still by your logic it's disingenuous to give flowers to someone you want to form a romantic and sexual bond with, that Flowers are just to seal friendships, and a man devising strategies to land a date is inherently bad behavior. 

No, I'm saying that flowers are a symbol that stand to beautify whatever your intent is. 

I don't know how to make this any more clear. 

When a man plans out how he's going to approach a woman, this doesn't mean he won't be friendly if she gives it up to him. 

Yeah but you seem to focus primarily on 'the plan' with the idea of 'sex' as if it were the prize. 

I might just be too Sapiosexual to relate to your point or something, I've always gone into it with an interest in the person rather than what purpose they might serve for me. 

I talked about this a number of times, but what defines a creep, is if she's attracted to him or not plus her reaction.

This is just incel bitterness, you're completely negating how attraction forms in the first place. 

No it's facts. If she's attracted to the guy he'll succeed, but if she's not attracted to him, in some cases a harassment claim can be filed. In this model the attractive and unattractive did the exact same thing.

What constitutes attraction though? 

That area's multifaceted, rather than just being Red Pill nonsense. I've seen some real bulldogs among the human race end up in successful relationships, attraction's in the eyes of the beholder as a matter of personal synergy. 

Haven't you ever questioned why gay dudes tend to have more luck grabbing women's chests or spanking them as they pass by at parties than their straight counterparts, on average? It's because they aren't seen as a thirsty threat, immediately upping how friendly they seem by a ton. Being a friend is a way to be disarming to someone, and flowers can be disarming through a similar vein. 

The woman's perception. 

 

And no I'm not arguing that a guy should be able to touch any random woman

You think a gay man would never touch a woman unless they're bi or something? 

Lawd Spatial, you need to get out more, a fascination with breasts is fairly unisex. It's more about trust. 

If not his new creep label "might" come from her, some women are cooler than others. 

You seriously sound bitter about the word 'creep', it's creeping into your language. 

Yeah I don't particularly like the word. What said before your response is sound.

Have you been called a creep before? 

Spatial Mind said: 

LeggaLeggaLegga said: 

Here's a challenge for you TC: Find one single thing about something SpatialMind says that you wholeheartedly agree with. I'll give you 10$ if you can do that.

 Isn't it interesting how TC persist to belittle me in some way without any real substance ? 

Careful Spats, starting to sound a little Wrathful. 

Spatial Mind said: 

No offence, but to straight people, a man giving another man flowers for any reason is comedic.

Only if they're 'No Homo' types, what about gardeners, artists, thespians, all the walks of life that might invite an appreciation for flowers in spite of society's idea that they're 'girly'? 

You don't have to look much further than Spanish culture to see symbols like Roses handled as more of a unisex symbol. 

I'm a manly man

I wouldn't send flowers to my boys to show appreciation, and there really isn't anything wrong with that.

Other than a very strict idea of gender roles apparently, jeez. You straight up find such a thing shameful, that's more on you than anything else man, but there's plenty of people of all walks of life you'll be able to find so it won't be hard to find likeminded company. 

A flower is just a plant that withers away, and it's good for business to give them meanings. On another planet, the flower might not have the same use case.

There's also 'The Language of Flowers', a symbology used in history where they've attached a separate meaning to every kind of flower as to have that meaning be conveyed when it's gifted to someone. 

Ignoring all that though they're pretty and a nice gesture, on Earth. 

If people want to gift flowers for whatever reason that's none of my concern. I'm indifferent to that.

Apparently not, you had to assert your manliness and everything. 

It's also important to note. Flower sales spike once a year, for Valentines days. Now I understand some people buy them to make the broken hearted feel better about their fallout, but the flower itself would've been better coming from their heartthrob.

So because of that we shouldn't appreciate flowers for the other 364? 

I don't really see where you're going with this marketing angle, someone who's never been a part of Capitalism would probably still enjoy being given something pretty. 

What you call a dick in one hand could be seen as 'brazen honesty' in another, it really depends on who's looking.

Nope.

I mean it's literally what's happened with my friend base so I don't know what to tell you... other than I suspect you may be in denial as a response to too much "Nice Guys Finish Last" sentiments. 

You've been disloyal in the past, you were still a mod in Luna's SC while you were the #1 contributor to her lolcow thread in Kiwifarms, a site dedicated to making fun of real people based on how they look or whatever shortcoming they have. A betrayal. As it turned out Luna did catfish, so you have the Kiwi's ( thousands of people who get off on bullying ) going off on some strange young woman. I forgot her name. 

Did you forget what website we're from? 

The idea that you'd support a leader figure even when they're flagrantly screwing up moreso shows your authoritarian nature, and that you'd act like I'm some outlier for saying bad things about her shows how much you ignore SC as a culture. 

She got what was coming to her as a result of her choices, and it's kinda nuts that even this far along with this much evidence that you're effectively aphasic towards it. 

You also took everyone you can find with the same last name as me in my city and posted all of the phone numbers in SC, which included family businesses linked to me. Bruh, yes you're a dick.

You enjoy picking on the mentally ill these days, especially if they are in a spiritual crisis, hence your avatar, and for some reason you don't talk to Feathers without any explanation.

I see it as helpful personally, it's pushing them to go further into the heart of what's really going on and it's harboring a sense of community that's always been the case with SC culture. 

I'd prefer to be that way than just sit there and let them continue on the way they are, and sometimes it takes a bit of tough love to jar someone towards a shifted path. 

If I have to pick between being disingenuous and adored or being honest and brazen, I'll take the latter, and so far at least it's led to a group of people who seem to share the sentiment. 

You're the only one running around calling me an incel/woman hater, meanwhile I treat our comrade women better than you do. I get along with all of them, you don't. This is a major fact.

I'm just working with what you give me, it's not my fault that you're not a fan of your own archetypes. 🤷

You say you're honest, but I see you as a compulsive liar and very untrustworthy. You left me no choice in all honesty. What else am I supposed to think with your track record ?

It's honesty, but considering that you don't believe in the subjectivity of perception there's little I can do to show you that. 

In response to your reasons though, how does any of this stop me from getting flowers or being appreciated by other people? I think you may be projecting a bit dude, the world doesn't share your eyes and sentiments. 

In this life it's better to be yourself rather than playing some 'strategy', all the while seeking out mutual company who's bound to understand where you're coming from.

Just because a guy planned out his approach, doesn't mean he isn't being himself.

That depends on the extent of the plans, how much room it's made for expectation. 

If someone plans to buy flowers so that they can court her far enough to plow her flower, they're typically disgusting. 

Also, while we're in relationships, we make changes to ourselves, kick certain habits. We are beings of change. If a man makes changes to be more accommodating that's honorable. Some people don't bother doing that which can be inconsiderate, depending.

It depends on why he's doing it, entirely. 

"Netflix and Chill" can be romantic if you actually care about what the other person thinks, rather than just a waiting room situation for sex. If you're just doing all of these gestures for a little nookie you might as well just hire a prostitute, at least that'd be a cut and dry transaction where you don't have to bother to learn anything more than the script you'll both be following.

That's if, but it isn't the case with me as you make it.

Over the years what I have to say about my personal relationships hasn't changed. I'm not promiscuous, I banged 6 or 7 people in my entire life and passed on countless opportunities to hook up with other women because of that. Yes my perception on romantic relationships seem very bleak and with good reason, but in truth I've been a nice catch for my ladies. I get along with half of them, the others are MIA.

I love how you felt the need to defensively emphasize "and passed on countless opportunities to hook up with other women because of that". 

Real MGTOW vibes going on over here. 

Turncoat said: 

Spatial Mind said: 

If the sex isn't good it's not going to work out for either party. Still I can see how someone in a body cast might appreciate a pot of daisies on the window sill with a stack of cards and helium balloons. 

You really have a thing about sex, don't you..?

As a matter of fact, if the sex isn't good, it's really not going to work out. Both parties will desire others while being shackled. It's the ugly truth.

What does it take for the sex to be good? 

Oh please.

If the sex is stale, it's not going to work out. Next thing you know there's 2 bodies laying in bed at night dreaming of others in a sexless situation.

This thread is geared toward romantic relationships by the way. When Men give a woman flowers, it's a strategy, because he wants to be more than friends. Of course it's a novelty approach and not really required to make it to 3rd base.  

Flowers are just a tool, it's all about the intent behind it. 

It's more like an ice breaker wrapped within a considerate gesture of beauty, but as it can be for putting makeup on a pig it's won't always make up for their being a pig come the end of the day. 

When you're sitting there devising 'strategies' you're already making it that much less genuine. 

By your logic, it's disingenuous to give flowers to someone you want to form a romantic and sexual bond with. That Flowers are just to seal friendships, and a man devising strategies to land a date is inherently bad behavior.

I tend to try to be friends with whoever I'm dating, so the two go hand-in-hand, but that's not really my point solely. 

It's just a nice thing to do, like adding a ribbon to a present. It enhances wherever it's accompanying, but sometimes that enhancement on it's own isn't enough. 

Good for you. I don't see anything worth debating here, and still by your logic it's disingenuous to give flowers to someone you want to form a romantic and sexual bond with, that Flowers are just to seal friendships, and a man devising strategies to land a date is inherently bad behavior. 

No, I'm saying that flowers are a symbol that stand to beautify whatever your intent is. 

I don't know how to make this any more clear. 

You're erasing details in order to backpedal. you stated: "When you're sitting there devising 'strategies' you're already making it that much less genuine."

You can't even explain why gifting a flower with a plan is less genuine. You also drew a line between 'Strategy' and being one self, as if having a strategy means not being one self.

When a man plans out how he's going to approach a woman, this doesn't mean he won't be friendly if she gives it up to him. 

Yeah but you seem to focus primarily on 'the plan' with the idea of 'sex' as if it were the prize. 

You're the only one who says that. And you're the one making men out to be predatory by default

It might be a tough pill for you to swallow, but surprise, men want to have sex with their romantic interests. 

Meanwhile I've been right when it comes to Feathers and her relationship yet again. It isn't the Flower in particular, she want's ( as I said ) affection. A Flower will die and begin to release an odor before it's discarded without any remorse.

 

I talked about this a number of times, but what defines a creep, is if she's attracted to him or not plus her reaction.

This is just incel bitterness, you're completely negating how attraction forms in the first place. 

No it's facts. If she's attracted to the guy he'll succeed, but if she's not attracted to him, in some cases a harassment claim can be filed. In this model the attractive and unattractive did the exact same thing.

What constitutes attraction though? 

That area's multifaceted, rather than just being Red Pill nonsense. I've seen some real bulldogs among the human race end up in successful relationships, attraction's in the eyes of the beholder as a matter of personal synergy. 

There you go complicating things and ignoring what's before you.

For whatever her reason is, I'm not going to make a list for you, that is grade 1, but whatever her reason is, she's either into him or not. Simple.

Haven't you ever questioned why gay dudes tend to have more luck grabbing women's chests or spanking them as they pass by at parties than their straight counterparts, on average? It's because they aren't seen as a thirsty threat, immediately upping how friendly they seem by a ton. Being a friend is a way to be disarming to someone, and flowers can be disarming through a similar vein. 

The woman's perception. 

And no I'm not arguing that a guy should be able to touch any random woman

You think a gay man would never touch a woman unless they're bi or something? 

Lawd Spatial, you need to get out more, a fascination with breasts is fairly unisex. It's more about trust.

You can derail all you like, I had no comment on what a gay man's relationship is with women. That is uninteresting to me. The woman doesn't perceive the gay man as a threat as you put it. I said "The woman's perception". That also backs my previous case.